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Scunthorpe United

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:11 pm

Bottom of the National League. Incredible.

Doesn't seem too long ago they beat us 2-0 at the Turf in that woeful game with Brian Laws in charge.

Crazy how quickly things can change.

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Top Claret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:17 pm

Proves how fast everything can go tits up

I think they got promoted to the championship in 2009 beating Millwall in the play off final

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Aclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:30 pm

Ditto Oldham Athletic, not too long ago a Premier league team....there by the grace of God.

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:39 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:30 pm
Ditto Oldham Athletic, not too long ago a Premier league team....there by the grace of God.
It's not usually by the grace of god, it's usually because wide boys take over the club and take out rather than put in.
That could be us in a few years but for the grace of God 😏

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Aclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:44 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:39 pm
It's not usually by the grace of god, it's usually because wide boys take over the club and take out rather than put in.
That could be us in a few years but for the grace of God 😏
1987...could easily have been us, just like Scunthorpe or Oldham...would we have come back ?

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Pickles » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:21 pm

Good. Iffy Onoura ruined my birthday once.

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by Top Claret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:13 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:39 pm
It's not usually by the grace of god, it's usually because wide boys take over the club and take out rather than put in.
That could be us in a few years but for the grace of God 😏



Wide boys didn't take over us when Lord Bob left they were local lads who made a complete mess of the job
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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:15 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:17 pm
Proves how fast everything can go tits up

I think they got promoted to the championship in 2009 beating Millwall in the play off final
The day before we beat Sheff U.

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Post by Bosscat » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:21 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:15 pm
The day before we beat Sheff U.
The pub we went in before the Wembley final was the same one used by Scunny fans the day before ... Still decked out in Claret and Blue 😉
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:27 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:44 pm
1987...could easily have been us, just like Scunthorpe or Oldham...would we have come back ?
We would have come back, first division winners FA Cup winners, European campaigns, passionate one club town we would have risen, even as a supporter owned club. I'm sure Barry Kilby once said because of our size we shouldn't have a history but we have despite our size or words to that effect.

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Post by Passing Clouds » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:06 am

I swear I saw Ian Botham play for Scunthorpe on the Turf. Tried Googling it and he made 11 appearances for them up until 1985. Apart from Bournemouth can’t find who the other 10 appearances were… anyone else remember?

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Post by Culmclaret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:56 am

I am pretty sure that Botham didn’t play against us. He played a few games but not the one at the Turf I think

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Post by NRC » Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:09 pm

Culmclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:56 am
I am pretty sure that Botham didn’t play against us. He played a few games but not the one at the Turf I think
I conclure…. He never played against us

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Post by hoskinsgoalatswansea » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:19 pm

I remember he was seen at a game, the Burnley express photographed him sat in the Bob Lord stand. Apparently, he was there to see Joe Neenan, who he’d played with at Scunthorpe.

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Post by Billyblah » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:43 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:13 pm
Wide boys didn't take over us when Lord Bob left they were local lads who made a complete mess of the job
Now that's an interesting perspective.
It became a "mess of a job" during the latter years of Bob Lord's tenureship.

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Post by Top Claret » Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:47 pm

Billyblah wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:43 pm

It became a "mess of a job" during the latter years of Bob Lord's tenureship.


True but those pre Kilby didn't exactly cover themselves in glory

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Post by claret2018 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:58 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:11 pm
Bottom of the National League. Incredible.

Doesn't seem too long ago they beat us 2-0 at the Turf in that woeful game with Brian Laws in charge.

Crazy how quickly things can change.
Was that Laws’ last game in charge for us?

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Post by bfcjg » Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:01 pm

There's a joke about who put the c u n t in Scunthorpe, can't remember it though.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:05 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:30 pm
Ditto Oldham Athletic, not too long ago a Premier league team....there by the grace of God.
30yrs since they started the first of two PL seasons....that's a long time ago :lol:

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:05 pm
30yrs since they started the first of two PL seasons....that's a long time ago :lol:
Not if you are a Rovers Fan ... 1995 is only yesterday 😉
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Post by Passing Clouds » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:19 pm

hoskinsgoalatswansea wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:19 pm
I remember he was seen at a game, the Burnley express photographed him sat in the Bob Lord stand. Apparently, he was there to see Joe Neenan, who he’d played with at Scunthorpe.
Yeah, think he’s good mates with Neenan. Got in a scrape with him I seem to remember (they were fighting some squadies I think). I was in the Bob Lord with my dad. Only little. Memory must have become confused!

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Re: Scunthorpe United

Post by houseboy » Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:06 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:27 pm
We would have come back, first division winners FA Cup winners, European campaigns, passionate one club town we would have risen, even as a supporter owned club. I'm sure Barry Kilby once said because of our size we shouldn't have a history but we have despite our size or words to that effect.
I’m not so sure. I read a couple of years after that we would probably have gone bust because we could not have sustained non league football. Badly in debt with a ground far too big to manage at that level. That win against Orient probably saved our club from extinction.
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Post by houseboy » Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:08 pm

Whenever I hear the name Scunthorpe I always think of the phrase: If Typhoo put the T in Britain who put the c*nt in Scunthorpe.
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Post by houseboy » Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:09 pm

Passing Clouds wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:06 am
I swear I saw Ian Botham play for Scunthorpe on the Turf. Tried Googling it and he made 11 appearances for them up until 1985. Apart from Bournemouth can’t find who the other 10 appearances were… anyone else remember?
I seem to recall that as well.

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:11 pm

houseboy wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:08 pm
Whenever I hear the name Scunthorpe I always think of the phrase: If Typhoo put the T in Britain who put the c*nt in Scunthorpe.
🤭 My late Brother lived in Scunny for 40 years after he left Liverpool Art College back in 1972 ... we always used that joke when he came home for visits 😉
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:47 pm

Fao Passing clouds
Beefy was in the programme to play at the Turf but the ECB warned him off as there was a small matter of a Test he was needed for

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Post by Passing Clouds » Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:38 am

Thanks Woodley

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Post by dibraidio » Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:02 am

The National League is full of ex football league clubs.
Notts County, Wrexham, Chesterfield, Barnet, Southend, Dagenham and REdbrige, Halifax, Aldershot, York, Yeovil, Maidstone, Torquay, Oldham and Scunny. Not such a surprise to see some of them at the bottom when there are so many.

Chester, Scarborough, Darlington, Boston and Hereford are all playing in the league below.

The gap between that league and League Two is incredibly small and it really ought to be League Three of the EFL.

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Post by RammyClaret61 » Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:27 am

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:27 pm
passionate one club town we would have risen
crowds of just over 1,000 showed a distinct lack of passion. Once out of the league it would’ve only got worse.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:13 am

Can still remember Carlisle leading the old First Division (prior to the Premier League) and that was after quite a few games

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Post by Aclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:14 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:05 pm
30yrs since they started the first of two PL seasons....that's a long time ago :lol:
When you're in your 60s time flies by....only seems like yesterday 😄
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Post by Aclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:16 am

warksclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:13 am
Can still remember Carlisle leading the old First Division (prior to the Premier League) and that was after quite a few games
Was that when Micha Knighton was showing his ball skills on the centre spot

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Post by Aclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:16 am

Michael Knighton even.

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Post by Fretters » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:28 pm

Pickles wrote:
Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:21 pm
Good. Iffy Onoura ruined my birthday once.
Home defeat under Stan?

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Post by dsr » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:45 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:27 am
crowds of just over 1,000 showed a distinct lack of passion. Once out of the league it would’ve only got worse.
Not quite that bad. The lowest was 1,696 and only 5 of the 23 games had gates under 2,000.

But yes, the Orient game had two benefits - one, like you say, it kept us out of the Conference (or bankruptcy) and stopped things getting worse. And there was no recognised belief that clubs could get back from non-league oblivion at that time; we might have thrown in the towel, or gone bust. And the other thing the Orient game did was put an extra 3,000 on the gate at the start of the next season, average 5,000+ in 87-88, backed up by Wembley that added another couple of thousand the year after.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:53 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:45 pm
Not quite that bad. The lowest was 1,696 and only 5 of the 23 games had gates under 2,000.

But yes, the Orient game had two benefits - one, like you say, it kept us out of the Conference (or bankruptcy) and stopped things getting worse. And there was no recognised belief that clubs could get back from non-league oblivion at that time; we might have thrown in the towel, or gone bust. And the other thing the Orient game did was put an extra 3,000 on the gate at the start of the next season, average 5,000+ in 87-88, backed up by Wembley that added another couple of thousand the year after.
Yeah, post Orient was the first time I started to go regularly as my parents thought I was old enough to go on the train (still lots of trouble around then remember)

Looking back, never busy, even on the Longside

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Post by Pickles » Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:44 pm

Fretters wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:28 pm
Home defeat under Stan?
Yep!

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Post by elwaclaret » Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:53 pm
Yeah, post Orient was the first time I started to go regularly as my parents thought I was old enough to go on the train (still lots of trouble around then remember)

Looking back, never busy, even on the Longside
Everything about the club was flat pre- the Orient game. It was like all the life had been sucked out of the club, top to bottom. Lowest I’ve ever felt (outside of bereavement) was the mid week game away at Crewe, no one there at full time would have believed the Orient result, never mind the poor good fortune of other results… and Tommy Hutchinson.

That was the turning point, the town and club reconnected and twelve months later we were at Wembley!

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Post by Fretters » Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:55 pm

Pickles wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:44 pm
Yep!
I remember it well. Flying high in the second division and on SKY, our chance to showcase how good we were. It wasn't to be!

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Post by Passing Clouds » Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:15 pm

Have to share this crazy coincidence. I work in the media and was booked in for a shoot today with a ‘Lord’ … didn’t know who until just now. Turns out it’s Ian Botham ha ha ha. Weird!

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Post by Passing Clouds » Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:35 am

So I asked him. He said yes he had played at Burnley and he even scored against us!

Getting confused with Barnsley maybe 🤔

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Post by welsbyswife » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:34 am

Remember going to The Old Showground towards the end of the "Orient" season. What a crumbling pile that was. Also had some good away days at Glandford Park - lots of fireworks going off one year :D . Shame to see them where they are. As for Botham, he's full of ****.

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:05 am

dibraidio wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:02 am
The National League is full of ex football league clubs.
Notts County, Wrexham, Chesterfield, Barnet, Southend, Dagenham and REdbrige, Halifax, Aldershot, York, Yeovil, Maidstone, Torquay, Oldham and Scunny. Not such a surprise to see some of them at the bottom when there are so many.

Chester, Scarborough, Darlington, Boston and Hereford are all playing in the league below.

The gap between that league and League Two is incredibly small and it really ought to be League Three of the EFL.
I think there are around 50 clubs who have played in the FL including Accrington and Accrington Stanley
Missed off Bradford PA and in even lower leagues are Workington Macclesfield and Bury-all at some stage in the FL since the restart after WW2. also New Brighton a league team we played in the FA Cup on the 50's and many more who were in the leagues from the early 1900's including Nelson I think Darwen and Glossop NE and many more like Merthyr Durham Ashington, Northwich Victoria and I think Stalybridge as well as clubs wound up and never resurrected

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