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Really harsh pen that. But if the ball touches the hand it's a pen, just the way it is.
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It’s beyond harsh. It’s a bloody nonsense.
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That should never be a penalty, if ever there was an example of ball to hand that is it. I know it’s the rules now but that is ridiculous
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VAR is absolutely disgusting
It gets worse every single season
GET RID
It gets worse every single season
GET RID
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Ridiculous.
This is what we can look forward to next season ... and they aren't likely to be going in our favour.
This is what we can look forward to next season ... and they aren't likely to be going in our favour.
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farcical
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Another pukey VAR decision. Absolute joke
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Re: FA Cup Final - City Vs Utd
By no definition of the rules could that be considered deliberate handball.
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It's less about VAR and more about the rules, which are crap.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:33 pmVAR is absolutely disgusting
It gets worse every single season
GET RID
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The handball law is the problem there, not VAR. Grealish raised his arm and made his body bigger.
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Re: FA Cup Final - City Vs Utd
disgraceful decision.
var is turning referees into jelly-kneed weaklings.
shocking.
var is turning referees into jelly-kneed weaklings.
shocking.
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Doesn't have to be deliberate.distortiondave wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:34 pmBy no definition of the rules could that be considered deliberate handball.
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Quite ironic if playing a “FA Cup Keeper” costs a side a treble. Not a certainty Ederson saves it of course.
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Just about the most rediculous penalty for handball I've ever seen. Flabbergasted...
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Makes for a better game anyway which is all I’m really bothered about in this instance.
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How can not one, but two of our "top" officials come to that conclusion.
It's humans that have ruined VAR , not the technology itself.
It's humans that have ruined VAR , not the technology itself.
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Agree, the hand ball law is a nonsense. That’s an absolutely ridiculous decision.
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He’s given it because it’s the Final. Shocking decision.
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Pathetic giving a pen for that.
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There isn’t really any technology though, it’s just a bloke watching a replay….and the VAR didn’t give the decision, the ref did.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:36 pmHow can not one, but two of our "top" officials come to that conclusion.
It's humans that have ruined VAR , not the technology itself.
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Hard to know what is and isn’t handball to be honest
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As Rileybobs has said, it’s not VAR but the ridiculous handball law.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:36 pmHow can not one, but two of our "top" officials come to that conclusion.
It's humans that have ruined VAR , not the technology itself.
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So why didn’t VAR tell the ref to look at the Casimero incident. It’s ridiculous.
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VAR gets something right for a change - It’s the rule that’s nonsense
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I can understand us fans not understanding the handball rule, and ref interpretation advice, but what I don’t understand is how so many players don’t.
That was a penalty based on rules and this season’s guidance, but it shouldn’t be of course. Wasn’t hand to ball nor a deliberate attempt to make himself bigger, but unnaturally bigger he was nonetheless.
That was a penalty based on rules and this season’s guidance, but it shouldn’t be of course. Wasn’t hand to ball nor a deliberate attempt to make himself bigger, but unnaturally bigger he was nonetheless.
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It doesn’t.
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No it doesn’t. It’s his arm not being in a natural position. I’m not sure where he’s supposed to put his arm.
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jump up in the air and see where your hands on on the way down, exactly where Grealish's hands were - it's another complete failure of a decision in our domestic game - BUT that gets given in the Champions league final as their rules seem to be if it hands your hand it gets given no matter what. Rules needs to change or VAR needs ******* off
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But the VAR is a human.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:39 pmSurely that's what I said?
I said it was humans making the decisions not the VAR.
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That's not the rule thoughCrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:38 pmI can understand us fans not understanding the handball rule, and ref interpretation advice, but what I don’t understand is how so many players don’t.
That was a penalty based on rules and this season’s guidance, but it shouldn’t be of course. Wasn’t hand to ball nor a deliberate attempt to make himself bigger, but unnaturally bigger he was nonetheless.
In the specific act of play, his arm was in a natural position, as a consequence of his movement to defend the long ball
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I think Graelish panics when the ball goes over his head to be honest. Whether if it's the momentum of his spin that takes his arm up or he instinctively sticks it in the air who knows.
Maybe wasn't clear and obvious so questionable that it should have been reviewed but it's a pen in today's rules. His arm's way up in the air.
Maybe wasn't clear and obvious so questionable that it should have been reviewed but it's a pen in today's rules. His arm's way up in the air.
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Isn't this the point though. It is in a natural position because you can't jump properly without balancing with your arms. It's a more natural position than trying jump with your hands by your sides.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:38 pmNo it doesn’t. It’s his arm not being in a natural position. I’m not sure where he’s supposed to put his arm.
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In comparison, that last pen shout was 100% certain
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No pen again by var against KD. All day long that one.
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Who's running VAR today? Bobby Charlton?
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It doesn't have to be deliberate. It's one of my pet hates when people say it is or isn't a pen because it's deliberate or not. That hasn't been the rule for years.
Here are the rules. The penalty we've just seen must have been given because of the unnatural body shape thing. But I, and I suspect most, think the interpretation of it is bobbins.
Here are the rules. The penalty we've just seen must have been given because of the unnatural body shape thing. But I, and I suspect most, think the interpretation of it is bobbins.
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Please can someone tell me what the handball law is nowadays?
If we're now saying it's a penalty if it hits a hand in the area, then how come done still aren't given?
If we're now saying it's a penalty if it hits a hand in the area, then how come done still aren't given?
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3 borderline decisions reviewed by VAR and all have gone United’s way.
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This is the crux of the rule’s problem. Natural position is defined differently and poorly by the powers that be.claretinkorea wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:41 pmIsn't this the point though. It is in a natural position because you can't jump properly without balancing with your arms. It's a more natural position than trying jump with your hands by your sides.
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I think if the ball had hit Grealish’s arm as it was on the way down it wouldn’t have been given, but for some reason he raises his arm after he misses the ball and that second action is why the penalty was given.
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Isn't handball supposed to be deliberate?
Never a penalty but think City should of had one at the other end
Never a penalty but think City should of had one at the other end
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Indeed, it should be the intent to stop a ball with your hand that leads to a penalty. Sometimes the refs just need to use a bit of common sense although this seems to be a rare commodity.
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All the refs did were apply the laws of the game which is surely what we want them to do.claretinkorea wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:45 pmIndeed, it should be the intent to stop a ball with your hand that leads to a penalty. Sometimes the refs just need to use a bit of common sense although this seems to be a rare commodity.