OT - Original Sidewalk 53 Bar

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:04 pm

Drinking is horribly expensive nowadays, and I think most young people would struggle to afford once per week. Mid week drinking is a thing of the past as well, a lot of young people prefer to go to the gym and do other things which are lets face it, healthier and cheaper.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:09 pm

The inn place was great music. Great bands. Used to associate with a lad called Rainbow, Shaun. Have a picture of the early 80’s in Concorde - why did it have Scottish memorabilia ?

Elder statesman · Post by **Elder statesman** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:46 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Drinking is horribly expensive nowadays, and I think most young people would struggle to afford once per week. Mid week drinking is a thing of the past as well, a lot of young people prefer to go to the gym and do other things which are lets face it, healthier and cheaper.

Think it depends where you drink Sammy Boy. Drinking in Burnley can be very cheap. You can get a good pint at the Newbroom ( spelling) , Bridge, Talbot, Mojitos, 110 club without paying more than £2,50 a pint. The away fans can't believe the prices when they come to Burnley.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:54 pm

Not forgetting both Wetherspoons bars and Big Window.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:57 pm

Bop wrote:The inn place was great music. Great bands. Used to associate with a lad called Rainbow, Shaun. Have a picture of the early 80’s in Concorde - why did it have Scottish memorabilia ?

Lads from Dundee came down to Burnley in the seventies and mostly didn't go back.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:00 pm

Dazzler wrote:Not forgetting both Wetherspoons bars and Big Window.

Or the Bridge.

I had a few in there Friday night. I got dragged away before I could get on the Burnley Gin.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:11 am

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:51 am

I think it is more to do with bars & clubs being open till breakfast time.
Although money probably does play a part.
They have to have all the latest technology and fashion,,, doesn't come cheap.
Plus If they have a car,...Insurance & all that..

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:00 am

Anyone know when Bootleggers first opened?
I'm struggling to recall the Sidewalk being open at the same time as Bootleggers.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:13 am

Dazzler wrote:Anyone know when Bootleggers first opened?
I'm struggling to recall the Sidewalk being open at the same time as Bootleggers.

I’d have said very late 90’s. It was open for at least a couple of years when sidewalk was open.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:56 am

Yes definitely open at the same time in the late 90’s. Originally bought to be a book shop however planners wouldn’t allow them to make the changes they desired from the original church which led them to diversify into a bar. They recognised that that side of town was dying so sold up and bought an office on the opposite side of town that became Pharaohs

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:23 am

If it be your will wrote:My best guess is the under 25s simply don't have as much money as they used to have. Where there's money (Manchester/London) it's still packed everywhere. Other than that, the smoking ban ruined it for many, pubs and clubs somehow lost that reckless abandon after that. And drugs were expensive (and so fairly rare) in the 90s. They're far cheaper than getting drunk now.

(The problem with this messageboard is there seems to be very few genuinely young people on it, if there's anyone there, what exactly is the reason you don't regularly go out and get absolutely wrecked anymore, rather than leave us lot trying to guess?)

Drugs are cheaper because they're a lot weaker than they used to be.
If half the bell ends took actual, or stronger, cocaine then they'd be skint a lot quicker or dead a lot quicker.
Same with all the other crap they take thinking they're great.
Even with weed they're always on the look out for something stronger because they get used to the crap they're smoking.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:38 am

Dazzler wrote:Manor Barn?

Used to love the Manor Barn! Gutted when it was turned into houses.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:01 am

tim_noone wrote:Haven't thugs on doors spoilt the party?

Bouncers
Drugs
Opening hours
And all sorts of other dickheads have ruined it.

Why go in town and have to be surrounded by coked up bellends? (On and off the doors).

Theres more choice to avoid it these days. I think thats burnleys downfall. You become a product of your surroundings and most people cant be arsed with that environment these days.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:09 am

If it be your will wrote:My best guess is the under 25s simply don't have as much money as they used to have. Where there's money (Manchester/London) it's still packed everywhere. Other than that, the smoking ban ruined it for many, pubs and clubs somehow lost that reckless abandon after that. And drugs were expensive (and so fairly rare) in the 90s. They're far cheaper than getting drunk now.

(The problem with this messageboard is there seems to be very few genuinely young people on it, if there's anyone there, what exactly is the reason you don't regularly go out and get absolutely wrecked anymore, rather than leave us lot trying to guess?)

This was pretty much exactly what I was going to write as I read through the thread. The fact is there's not as much money around and prices aren't as cheap as they were, but also culture has changed. I grew up in Tod but we used to do Burnley every Sunday night, starting at Sidewalk and Bootleggers etc... It was a class night out. Every pub was packed, the atmosphere was great and there was a mix of all ages out and about. It's just not like that anymore, not even in big Cities, nevermind small towns.

I used to go out every night of the week! Whether it was pool league, darts league, quiz night, Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I tended to have one night off a week, but pints were dirt cheap and it was what you did to see your mates. Social media has changed a lot.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:27 am

jlup1980 wrote:I used to go out every night of the week! Whether it was pool league, darts league, quiz night, Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I tended to have one night off a week, but pints were dirt cheap and it was what you did to see your mates. Social media has changed a lot.

I'm not doubting this sort of drinking culture used to happen but I take my hat off to anybody who can maintain that sort of lifestyle. I'm 27 and if I have a heavy Saturday I'm a complete write off until at least Tuesday lunch time, and that's been the case for about 4-5 years now! Between 18 and 21 I was a little better but definitely couldn't hack a schedule like the above

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:15 am

Anyone remember the one on Hammerton Street I think, with the topless barmaids, made you want to offer them the shirt off your back.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:23 am

Culture has simply changed. It started with men not going the pub straight after work and family life becoming more important. Money is still there it's just spent involving kids a lot more.
Internet socialising, mobile phones,cheap supermarket beer and the smoking ban have all played their part in the decline.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:33 am

I think the Culture is changing.

It is still cheap as chips to get drunk in Burnley. The difference is young people predrink until Midnight. Also a lot of young lads are more body conscious. Gyms are packed with young lads wanting to look like they are on love island.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:39 am

SammyBoy wrote:I'm not doubting this sort of drinking culture used to happen but I take my hat off to anybody who can maintain that sort of lifestyle. I'm 27 and if I have a heavy Saturday I'm a complete write off until at least Tuesday lunch time, and that's been the case for about 4-5 years now! Between 18 and 21 I was a little better but definitely couldn't hack a schedule like the above

During the week it was always easy going. I wasn't some sort of drinking monster ha ha, far from it!!

Like I say, it was more about seeing mates, so it might have been 3 pints over a couple of hours during the week, certainly nothing to write home about. But this was the late 90's; a very different time!! Mobiles had only just become common place for a start and not all my mates had them. There was no instant contact with people like there is now so we tended to meet up in the pub. A thing of the past it seems.

Back then I'd go to The Fountain in Tod regularly and pay about £1.40 for a pint of Websters. So 3 pints on pool league / darts league / quiz nights all in only cost me little more than a tenner a week, plus you'd get a supper on pool and darts nights... bonus!! The thing I remember more than anything is the pubs were relatively busy every night of the week. That midweek trade must have been huge for the landlords.

When I go out in Tod now it's like a ghost town, even at a weekend. It's rare I go out to be honest, I've got a wife and kids now so priorities change obviously, but it's just so very different. i know we all have tinted glasses looking back but places like The White Hart, The Bramsche, The George, Golden Lion etc were absolutely rammed at a weekend. You could barely get into the White Hart sometimes. What happened?!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:51 am

From what I remember the downfall of Sidewalk was that it had issues with drugs and ended up with really restrictive licensing hours. I think it had to close at 8pm or something and obviously that wasn't sustainable. This was after the Caines had sold up (they moved on to the Park View, Rose and Crown and I think another one somewhere on the outskirts of Burnley), I can't remember who was running it at that point.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:25 am

That building now has such a bad reputation that it will never occupy a successful business. It was a dump and a roughhouse when it was 'The Concorde' and it barely improved ever, [imo] no matter how many name changes/make-overs you gave it...generally packed with scrotes and ne'er-do-wells for most of it's existence. We used to do any number of different 'circuits' or pub crawls in my youth in Burnley and that dump [and a few others] were never on any of them. I walked past it last week, what a mess. The main reasons for failing pubs/clubs are already on this thread.

**random trivia - our shortest circuit was [it was a good one]..

the Swiss Corner [Keirby]
Smacks
[sometimes] Little White Horse
the Falcon
The Hop
The Circulation [by taxi].

The Broadswords was on most circuits in slightly earlier times, but I think drug use saw that place off.

There wasn't much overlap between Smacks and 'The Hop' if I remember - the former was just establishing itself, as 'The Hop' [where McDonalds now is up Trafalgar] was entering it's death throes..[again..mainly drug use issues]

'The Hop' was THE best pub that Burnley has ever had,,[imo].

Unusually, I found myself in the Craven Heifer [Briercliffe Road] last week, probably on Monday from about 5.00 - 6.00pm..the place was bouncing, must have been 50-60 people in there, nice warm pub, good atmosphere, friendly staff, fine beer - it shows me that pubs can be successful, if they give people what they want.

Sad reminiscing ends here.

D8BFC · Post by **D8BFC** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:16 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You weren't one of them who threw pint glasses and beer at the screen if the opposition scored were you?

If England scored it was like being in the Longside, but with beer as well as bodies all o'er shop.

The 0-0 draw against Italy in 98 (I think) was a particular favourite for beer being thrown, especially when the camera showed some crowd trouble..

Sounds childish, but great times!!!

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:17 am

My Funny Sidewalk 53 Story .......

I'd been with my wife about 2 years and it was 1996. I had been living in Accrington with her for a while with her because even though she knew very little of Burnley she said ''we are not living in that sh1t hole!'' .... I needed to prove her wrong so ......

On a day England where playing a Euro 96 game I said to the wife let me take you down Burnley for an all day sesh so you can get to know the town better. We ended up in the sidewalk and it was one of the best days of my life!

I think we were playing Holland which we won 4-1 and the place was buzzing. The dance floor was 2 inch deep of ale and me and the missus where soaked with the amount of beer thrown. One guy even poured a pint over my head and I didn't care!

The bar was jammed. On the dance floor a hard looking skinhead kissed my wife. Normally my missus and me would go ape sh1t but we didn't care, we were in the moment.

After the match we could see a commotion outside and went out to look ..... and there was the skinhead who kissed me wife, running stark naked down the street, doing cartwheels!

I just looked at my wife and said ''Welcome To Burnley''

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:26 am

Somebody told me on Saturday night that the Lava/Ignite building has been bought by James' Places who own Holmes Mill in Clitheroe. No idea if it's true but it would be excellent for the town if something like that opened.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:07 pm

It was a great era. But better to look back on. Would hate to still be tempted by the place in this day and age. As above culture has changed dramatically. And for the better in some ways. In my first few jobs we used to go to the pub and get ****** - at dinner time!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:31 pm

With the Brun Lea apparently closing down, Weatherspoons could do well renovating and re opening the Sidewalk imo. They're possibly the only people with the clout to do it if it's a big as job as some think. However maybe they're closing the Brun Lea simply because the town just can't take 2 'Spoons pubs. It does make me wonder though just how busy The Boot will now get, especially on match days.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:01 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Anyone remember the one on Hammerton Street I think, with the topless barmaids, made you want to offer them the shirt off your back.

Was in said building on Thursday evening, Little White Horse now Illuminati for some food. I do not drink in there as it is quite pretentious but the hanging kebabs are only two for £10 on a Thursday which is great value, also decent cocktails for Burnley.

I was in a pub on Saturday which was very busy, as Hampsteadclaret says - if you give them what you want it can still work.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 pm

******* cocktails? No wonder the towns on its arse.

A cocktail in sidewalk was a top shelfer.

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Wetherspoon almost never close down pubs, they may package 2/3 or 4 to sell as a bundle. Brun Lea was a rented building with managers flat over. Development costs 16years ago were in the order of £1.3 million.

New rental agreement with the Landlord is possibly due and to force down rents they may threaten to pull out.

Hence its in their interest to put out rumours that they are shutting it. Their takings at this site are still possibly in the order of £18-24k per week which given they have two pubs in the town centre, is possibly the lions share of the pub money in Burnley.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:46 pm

Sidewalk will never reopen as a pub.

(1) the ‘circuit’ is now on the other side of town. There isn’t the necessary trade to stay on that side of the town for long enough to make it sustainable.
(2) the building needs serious work doing to it which will probably be prohibitively expensive and make it unrealistic for a prospective tenant.
(3) the owners want stupid money in terms of rent for the place. As I recall they’re basing their amounts on the average weekly take of the last 5 years that Sidewalk was open. Those figures are completely unrealistic in the current market and those who’ve been quoted them have laughed and walked away. (At least 3-4 people with experience in the pub trade that I know have done this...)
(4) changes to drinking habits as a result of (i) cost and (ii) opening hours mean that people come into town pretty drunk and not wanting to spend the necessary amounts needed to support a venue like Sidewalk.
(5) Smoking...where could you put people for smoking? There’s no way that they’d be allowed to use outside the pub and the new rules relating to littering in town would make it a major cash cow and mean that punters wouldn’t continue to drink there once they’d been caught once.

All in all, the town centre is stuck with a massive eye sore on its doorstep!

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:06 pm

Its possibly full of asbestos given its age. Too expensive to redevelop

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:06 pm

Club 53 closed down on police advice due to constant trouble week in week out and being out of the way of the rest of the towns nightlife.

If you ever attended towards the eventual shut down you would have witnessed carnage on a nightly basis

The plus side back then was a night out was very cheap. Quid drinks etc. Nowadays nobody wants to pay upwards of 5 quid a drink in burnley in the same shite venues

Holmes mill is a top venue but very steep and always packed. That type of venue down burnley wouldnt last 2 mins

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:17 pm

Just turn it into a pound shop and have done with it.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:21 pm

The one place I didn't like being closed down was Rileys. I loved the poker nights and met some nice people in there. I could tell the effort was there, but it just didn't make enough money.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 pm

Rileys was actually decent. Just too big really. Went in the snooker club near job centre the other day. Still going strong it seems.

The one up stoneyholme is looking tired though.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:03 am

BigChaCha wrote:My Funny Sidewalk 53 Story .......

I'd been with my wife about 2 years and it was 1996. I had been living in Accrington with her for a while with her because even though she knew very little of Burnley she said ''we are not living in that sh1t hole!'' .... I needed to prove her wrong so ......

On a day England where playing a Euro 96 game I said to the wife let me take you down Burnley for an all day sesh so you can get to know the town better. We ended up in the sidewalk and it was one of the best days of my life!

I think we were playing Holland which we won 4-1 and the place was buzzing. The dance floor was 2 inch deep of ale and me and the missus where soaked with the amount of beer thrown. One guy even poured a pint over my head and I didn't care!

The bar was jammed. On the dance floor a hard looking skinhead kissed my wife. Normally my missus and me would go ape sh1t but we didn't care, we were in the moment.

After the match we could see a commotion outside and went out to look ..... and there was the skinhead who kissed me wife, running stark naked down the street, doing cartwheels!

I just looked at my wife and said ''Welcome To Burnley''

sorry for kissing your wife pal but i thought she wanted it.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:37 am

jlup1980 wrote:During the week it was always easy going. I wasn't some sort of drinking monster ha ha, far from it!!

Like I say, it was more about seeing mates, so it might have been 3 pints over a couple of hours during the week, certainly nothing to write home about. But this was the late 90's; a very different time!! Mobiles had only just become common place for a start and not all my mates had them. There was no instant contact with people like there is now so we tended to meet up in the pub. A thing of the past it seems.

Back then I'd go to The Fountain in Tod regularly and pay about £1.40 for a pint of Websters. So 3 pints on pool league / darts league / quiz nights all in only cost me little more than a tenner a week, plus you'd get a supper on pool and darts nights... bonus!! The thing I remember more than anything is the pubs were relatively busy every night of the week. That midweek trade must have been huge for the landlords.

When I go out in Tod now it's like a ghost town, even at a weekend. It's rare I go out to be honest, I've got a wife and kids now so priorities change obviously, but it's just so very different. i know we all have tinted glasses looking back but places like The White Hart, The Bramsche, The George, Golden Lion etc were absolutely rammed at a weekend. You could barely get into the White Hart sometimes. What happened?!

Another Tod lad here, and I forgot entirely about the Bramsche, best pub in town by a mile - until at some point in the mid noughties some idiot had the amazing idea of ripping up what was a lovely interior and chavving it up with metal grilles, gaudish paint and a crap DJ who seemed to live there every night. Used to be a quite upmarket feeling (for Tod!) pub/bar that did cocktails and a few real ales, nice outdoor bit on the balcony overlooking the canal. A real shame that got shuttered, it's an organic cafe type establishment now I think.

I rarely go out in Tod now, parents still live there so I go to the town often before matches etc, but when I go past it actually looks a much nicer place than it did when I was a kid going out there. A few have closed (Rope and Anchor at far end of town was a favourite, mainly because it used to serve us when we were 14...) but the likes of Polished Knob is a far nicer establishment than the Black Swan was, for example. Still a few other decent watering holes that have remained true to what they ever were such as the Weavers and Jack's House (Hare and Hound is also decent now, for food as well).

In terms of drinking culture itself, it has changed. I think my generation was the last to really meet up in bars/pubs for socialising rather than being glued to social media. From the age of about 14 till finishing up Uni me and all my mates used to be out as often as money and time allowed (and knowing where you could be served of course). It's not just younger people though, I am 31 and I fit solidly into binge drinker status nowadays (by that, I mean I will have one heavy night out probably a month with work mates/mates from back home etc) but drinking through the week, or even on successive weeks, I don't have the motivation for that and have bigger priorities as well.

I might sound like a Grandad with my next statement, but I find the saddest part of this the way dating occurs now. What happened to the days of going out, and giving (what me and my mates referred to as...) the three looks? You caught eyes with the same lass across the bar three times, you knew you were in (or had massively misjudged it and got shot down). The thrill of the chase on a Saturday night out are key memories from my formative years for me and all my mates - I find the Tinder/Snapchat etc generation a bit depressing, as it seems those days I remember are over. Me and my fiancee (will be wife in June) met nigh on 10 years ago in Revolution in Leeds whilst both at Uni, doesn't seem that long ago to me - and yet that sounds an old hat story to the younger generation these days (as a manager of 16 people at BT with some younger folk working for me, the stories I hear about dating are all totally the opposite of what it was for me and I am only 31!).

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:11 pm

jedi_master wrote:I find the Tinder/Snapchat etc generation a bit depressing, as it seems those days I remember are over. Me and my fiancee (will be wife in June) met nigh on 10 years ago in Revolution in Leeds whilst both at Uni, doesn't seem that long ago to me - and yet that sounds an old hat story to the younger generation these days (as a manager of 16 people at BT with some younger folk working for me, the stories I hear about dating are all totally the opposite of what it was for me and I am only 31!).

Tinder is great as it removes the getting shot down in flames part, if a girl on Tinder agrees to meet up with you then the hard/embarrassing part is basically over and done with. Surely nobody enjoys getting told to jog on?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:01 pm

jedi_master wrote:Another Tod lad here, and I forgot entirely about the Bramsche, best pub in town by a mile - until at some point in the mid noughties some idiot had the amazing idea of ripping up what was a lovely interior and chavving it up with metal grilles, gaudish paint and a crap DJ who seemed to live there every night. Used to be a quite upmarket feeling (for Tod!) pub/bar that did cocktails and a few real ales, nice outdoor bit on the balcony overlooking the canal. A real shame that got shuttered, it's an organic cafe type establishment now I think.

I rarely go out in Tod now, parents still live there so I go to the town often before matches etc, but when I go past it actually looks a much nicer place than it did when I was a kid going out there. A few have closed (Rope and Anchor at far end of town was a favourite, mainly because it used to serve us when we were 14...) but the likes of Polished Knob is a far nicer establishment than the Black Swan was, for example. Still a few other decent watering holes that have remained true to what they ever were such as the Weavers and Jack's House (Hare and Hound is also decent now, for food as well).

In terms of drinking culture itself, it has changed. I think my generation was the last to really meet up in bars/pubs for socialising rather than being glued to social media. From the age of about 14 till finishing up Uni me and all my mates used to be out as often as money and time allowed (and knowing where you could be served of course). It's not just younger people though, I am 31 and I fit solidly into binge drinker status nowadays (by that, I mean I will have one heavy night out probably a month with work mates/mates from back home etc) but drinking through the week, or even on successive weeks, I don't have the motivation for that and have bigger priorities as well.

I might sound like a Grandad with my next statement, but I find the saddest part of this the way dating occurs now. What happened to the days of going out, and giving (what me and my mates referred to as...) the three looks? You caught eyes with the same lass across the bar three times, you knew you were in (or had massively misjudged it and got shot down). The thrill of the chase on a Saturday night out are key memories from my formative years for me and all my mates - I find the Tinder/Snapchat etc generation a bit depressing, as it seems those days I remember are over. Me and my fiancee (will be wife in June) met nigh on 10 years ago in Revolution in Leeds whilst both at Uni, doesn't seem that long ago to me - and yet that sounds an old hat story to the younger generation these days (as a manager of 16 people at BT with some younger folk working for me, the stories I hear about dating are all totally the opposite of what it was for me and I am only 31!).

Nailed it on the head with the entire post. The social media generation (which we are all part of, even by being on here) has changed things dramatically. I was having this conversation in the barbers. I can't imagine anything worse than tinder. Its the instant gratification generation though.

The next generation are going to have serious social issues. Being able to speak to and engage in conversation with other people, face to face is going to become an art form!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:03 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Tinder is great as it removes the getting shot down in flames part, if a girl on Tinder agrees to meet up with you then the hard/embarrassing part is basically over and done with. Surely nobody enjoys getting told to jog on?

Beg to differ. You could say its character building getting knocked down... This generation are so used to getting stuff on demand they don't know how to handle when they don't get what they want!

Pretty much same age as JediMaster so perhaps thats why I agree exactly with what he is saying.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:19 pm

The abandonment of the old licensing laws is probably the major factor
in the demise of the boozing scene.
When it was 11 o'clock last orders, then it was a club or disco till two.
And of course, you had to get a taxi to places like Martholme Grange.
Places like that lost out when the boozing became a complete free for all timewise.

You knew where you were with the old 11 o'clock/2oclock scene and I for one miss it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:35 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:The abandonment of the old licensing laws is probably the major factor
in the demise of the boozing scene.
When it was 11 o'clock last orders, then it was a club or disco till two.
And of course, you had to get a taxi to places like Martholme Grange.
Places like that lost out when the boozing became a complete free for all timewise.

You knew where you were with the old 11 o'clock/2oclock scene and I for one miss it.

Completely. There was a routine to it - and the novelty of it being open at certain times encouraged you to make the most of it.

Drinking all day / night then going out at 2am and being in bed all day Sunday sounds horrific to me.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:43 pm

The kids going out these days have rebranded going out as 'the sesh', which usually involves starting off at a house at about 9pm, necking crap cans and having more MD than a series of House.

They then go out into town at about midnight, chiselled off their faces, and continue to drink blue wkd at a variety of arse end establishments, topping their beak up as they go. The night usually ends at Vogue at 8am, at which point the zombies traipse through the town centre, unless they've got into a fight for no apparent reason.

Bells.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Beg to differ. You could say its character building getting knocked down... This generation are so used to getting stuff on demand they don't know how to handle when they don't get what they want!

Pretty much same age as JediMaster so perhaps thats why I agree exactly with what he is saying.

I guess it's a matter of perspective but I'm 27 and I can't say I ever got anything out of being outright rejected in public

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:32 pm

SammyBoy wrote:I guess it's a matter of perspective but I'm 27 and I can't say I ever got anything out of being outright rejected in public

I think even though you are only four years younger than me, as I said before, my generation (and cricketfieldclarets by the sound of it) were realistically the last generation to not be 'doing things the old way'.

Don't get me wrong, I have mates my age on Tinder (one of my best mates now lives in New Zealand and seems to be on a conscious effort to conquer the entire nation) but I think I just find it a bit depressing as it's kind of like the same way the internet has destroyed the high street. If everything is done online, including even meeting your potential life partner, so many experiences that have been massive parts of everybodies life will soon cease to happen.

To reply to your point on rejection, I firmly believe it is character building. I am pretty confident in any situation on a social level (not for a second suggesting you aren't either to be clear, this isn't some 'I am superior' thing!) and I do think a lot of that is down to what my youth was like, I can't help but wonder the difference in confidence/esteem between generations going forwards. I have no doubt it is far easier to pull when it's based on a picture and your name/age as opposed to actually having to work for it, talk etc. As I said, just for me that chase was an amazing feeling when you succeeded because you worked for it.

The age old question of "How did you two meet?" will soon become a thing of the past, or an irrelevance. I just find that a bit of a shame.

OP - Sorry for massively derailing your topic!

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:14 pm

jedi_master wrote:I think even though you are only four years younger than me, as I said before, my generation (and cricketfieldclarets by the sound of it) were realistically the last generation to not be 'doing things the old way'.

Don't get me wrong, I have mates my age on Tinder (one of my best mates now lives in New Zealand and seems to be on a conscious effort to conquer the entire nation) but I think I just find it a bit depressing as it's kind of like the same way the internet has destroyed the high street. If everything is done online, including even meeting your potential life partner, so many experiences that have been massive parts of everybodies life will soon cease to happen.

To reply to your point on rejection, I firmly believe it is character building. I am pretty confident in any situation on a social level (not for a second suggesting you aren't either to be clear, this isn't some 'I am superior' thing!) and I do think a lot of that is down to what my youth was like, I can't help but wonder the difference in confidence/esteem between generations going forwards. I have no doubt it is far easier to pull when it's based on a picture and your name/age as opposed to actually having to work for it, talk etc. As I said, just for me that chase was an amazing feeling when you succeeded because you worked for it.

The age old question of "How did you two meet?" will soon become a thing of the past, or an irrelevance. I just find that a bit of a shame.

OP - Sorry for massively derailing your topic!

Interesting post. As Tinder only sprung up about 4-5 years ago I've experienced going out before it existed and "putting in the work" so to speak (I met my first couple of girlfriends out in town). It does have a certain charm but I think Tinder is a lot easier, and probably a god send for people lacking confidence!

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:16 pm

Certainly agree on the opening hours. Much preferred Colne when all the pubs had to close at 11/12, then if you wanted to stay out you went to Zebras or if you were feeling brave the Tower Bar! Basically meant if you wanted to stay out you had to go to a club which kept them busy and everyone ended up in the same place.

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:43 pm

The phrase we are all looking for is 'pre-loading' - that is what the young 'uns do now. I am from Acc and Sunday nights used to be legendary, now there is hardly a sniff.

I also read this thread not knowing Sidewalk 53, and imaged it from the tales on here as some grand old building that was begging out to be rescued from dereliction. Having now found this beauty on google images, all I can say is the sooner the bulldozers move in, the better!

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:00 pm

Fretters wrote:Somebody told me on Saturday night that the Lava/Ignite building has been bought by James' Places who own Holmes Mill in Clitheroe. No idea if it's true but it would be excellent for the town if something like that opened.

This would be really really good news for the town. He is not afraid of investing in his sites. Whether you think it's a bit pretentious/over priced etc etc, that holmes mill is an impressive project in Clitheroe.