Grooming gangs. Where were the parents?

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:54 pm

Serious question. They are always angry after the event and blaming everything but their own inadequate parenting, but didn't the fact that "Patel's Kebab Shop" (generic name) was responsible for feeding their children not set any alarm bells ringing?
The actions of these gangs are despicable, let me make that crystal clear but parents who allow their children to run amok and not question their activities should be looked at and if applicable charged with neglect.
Also that absolute cock womble Tommy Robinson will be to blame if the trial in question collapses.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:07 pm

From reading the Rochdale book it seems a typical scenario was there were no parents. Kids in care or estranged from the parents. Or still at home but impossible to control.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:11 pm

Regardless of where the children come from and their backgrounds there is no excuse for an adult to take advantage of them.

Taking your original posts a bit further what about the parents of the actresses that Harvey Weinstein alledgely abused and took advantage of?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:12 pm

Hold on guys, we're in danger of blaming the victims here. It doesn't matter where the parents were, it shouldn't have happened.

On a lighter note when I read the headline I thought it meant the parents of the gangs - oops!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:15 pm

Where were Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's parents?

Where was James Bulger's Mum?

Where were Sarah Payne's parents?

Where were the parents of all the kids murdered by Brady and Hindley?

What the **** does it matter where the parents were? You can't control what your children do at all times, I went out and about exploring all over with my friends when I was a kid, would it be my Mum's fault if someone molested me?

What is this post about?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:17 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where were Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's parents?

Where was James Bulger's Mum?

Where were Sarah Payne's parents?

Where were the parents of all the kids murdered by Brady and Hindley?

What the **** does it matter where the parents were? You can't control what your children do at all times, I went out and about exploring all over with my friends when I was a kid, would it be my Mum's fault if someone molested me?

What is this post about?

True. Hammer - nail - head.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:35 pm

Where were the parents of the groomers?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:36 pm

There is a 10 page thread already going full of this nonsense.
Could you not of just added to that?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:02 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where were Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's parents?

Where was James Bulger's Mum?

Where were Sarah Payne's parents?

Where were the parents of all the kids murdered by Brady and Hindley?

What the **** does it matter where the parents were? You can't control what your children do at all times, I went out and about exploring all over with my friends when I was a kid, would it be my Mum's fault if someone molested me?

What is this post about?

Absolutely spot on

Not every household has the perfect 2.4 set up and even the most disfunctional family doesn't deserve to have their kids molested.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:06 pm

For God's sake can we stop these *******, stupid, repetitive, **** threads?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:10 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where were Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's parents?

Where was James Bulger's Mum?

Where were Sarah Payne's parents?

Where were the parents of all the kids murdered by Brady and Hindley?

What the **** does it matter where the parents were? You can't control what your children do at all times, I went out and about exploring all over with my friends when I was a kid, would it be my Mum's fault if someone molested me?

What is this post about?

There's a world of difference to kids being suddenly abducted, to kids hanging around takeaways etc every night with adult men, and coming home at all hours off their heads on drugs/booze.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:13 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Absolutely spot on

Not every household has the perfect 2.4 set up and even the most disfunctional family doesn't deserve to have their kids molested.

Exactly right, of course no one deserves to have their children molested. Some children deserve far better parents than they are unfortunate enough to be born in to as well, unfortunately.

The example of murdered children isn’t great. These were one of instances of children being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The grooming issues are prolonged periods, perhaps years of kids being ‘in the wrong place’.

In some instances, the OP’s point is probably one that shouldn’t just be dismissed.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:13 pm

It's all Lauren's fault

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bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:21 pm

Diesel wrote:For God's sake can we stop these *******, stupid, repetitive, **** threads?

I'm sure there was a vote to have a sub board for the dullards to discuss crap like this.
It would appear no one wanted it.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:22 pm

Or just don’t press the ‘open thread’ button!

“Grooming gangs. Where were the parents?” Hardly suggests it might be talk of a new signing, does it?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:24 pm

jrgbfc wrote:There's a world of difference to kids being suddenly abducted, to kids hanging around takeaways etc every night with adult men, and coming home at all hours off their heads on drugs/booze.

Right but who tells their parents what they are up to? Or who's honest about it. Being used for sex by a predator will bring a huge amount of shame on someone so young and there's no way they would tell anyone. These men put so much fear into them.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:26 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Right but who tells their parents what they are up to? Or who's honest about it. Being used for sex by a predator will bring a huge amount of shame on someone so young and there's no way they would tell anyone. These men put so much fear into them.

Good parents will endeavour to make it their business to know where their kids are and what they are up to.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:27 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Right but who tells their parents what they are up to? Or who's honest about it. Being used for sex by a predator will bring a huge amount of shame on someone so young and there's no way they would tell anyone. These men put so much fear into them.

I'd like to think if my 13 year old daughter was staying out till all hours and coming home off her head on drugs/booze I'd suspect something was wrong.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:37 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Where were Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's parents?

Where was James Bulger's Mum?

Where were Sarah Payne's parents?

Where were the parents of all the kids murdered by Brady and Hindley?

What the **** does it matter where the parents were? You can't control what your children do at all times, I went out and about exploring all over with my friends when I was a kid, would it be my Mum's fault if someone molested me?

What is this post about?

You are your Mum's fault.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:46 pm

There is a saying “but for the grace of god”. There are people on here pontificating saying I would know what my child was doing at night, yes that’s true as they like me would probably have had a stable upbringing. The reality is many of these girls hadn’t, many were from care whose parents had been in care they were many totally dysfunctional families, these girls wanted love and affection and were taken advantage of, there abusers knew this do you think they would have done the same if they had said their father was an ex para No child chooses to be a prostitute they are led into it by scumbags

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:26 pm

Where were the parents and families of the abusers.Their sons fathers out all night did no one notice or care what went on at the taxi office/ takeways?

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:34 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Where were the parents and families of the abusers.Their sons fathers out all night did no one notice or care what went on at the taxi office/ takeways?

As far as I am aware they are all adults. Not the same at all.

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:37 pm

jrgbfc wrote:There's a world of difference to kids being suddenly abducted, to kids hanging around takeaways etc every night with adult men, and coming home at all hours off their heads on drugs/booze.

Spot on, the post you replied to was complete nonsense

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:38 pm

You know who I blame? I blame the grooming gangs. End of, ffs!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:42 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Where were the parents and families of the abusers.Their sons fathers out all night did no one notice or care what went on at the taxi office/ takeways?

As a community they've generally ignored any potential warning signs.

Plus if Muslim woman stands up to their husband it isn't always going to end well.
You're talking about a culture that partakes in honour killings.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:51 pm

Damo wrote:There is a 10 page thread already going full of this nonsense.
Could you not of just added to that?

It's have, not of.

*I'm being a pedant out of a sense of fun/mischief and not because I'm being a total dick.

**You could probably trawl through my posts and find a grammatical error, or some such very quickly.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:58 pm

Paedophiles of whatever gender (yes their are women) culture, religion or background seek out the vulnerable.

Catholic Priests were trusted by parents.
Fathers and Uncles who abuse there neices /nephews/sons/daughters use intimidation and a quiet family home when no-one is about.
Children at bording schools are abused by people with great authority who historically were not challenged.

In the case of grooming gangs they just seek out the most vulnerable and lure children in, and then find a way to keep them trapped.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed May 30, 2018 7:06 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Paedophiles of whatever gender (yes their are women)

It's..yes there are women

And I'm not being pedantic

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:09 pm

Dazzler wrote:It's..yes there are women

And I'm not being pedantic

Brilliant.

Glad I made a mistake straight away.

They're many more to come I'm sure.

Oh for the days when we could write a letter and then proof read it before sending it.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:34 pm

DCWat wrote:Good parents will endeavour to make it their business to know where their kids are and what they are up to.

As in the words of Kevin:

"How can I possibly tell you the truth ? You're my bloody parents"

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Guppyspotter · Post by **Guppyspotter** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:43 pm

"Mr Patel's Kebab Shop"

Wasn't aware that the Gujeratis were being implicated. Unfortunate choice of generic name.

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Thu May 31, 2018 2:08 am

Guppyspotter wrote:"Mr Patel's Kebab Shop"

Wasn't aware that the Gujeratis were being implicated. Unfortunate choice of generic name.

Point taken.

Geoff · Post by **Geoff** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:04 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Brilliant.

Glad I made a mistake straight away.

They're many more to come I'm sure.

Oh for the days when we could write a letter and then proof read it before sending it.

It's there are, not they're/they are.

*I'm being a pedant out of a sense of fun/mischief and not because I'm being a total dick.

**You could probably trawl through my posts and find a grammatical error, or some such very quickly.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:28 am

Geoff wrote:It's there are, not they're/they are.

*I'm being a pedant out of a sense of fun/mischief and not because I'm being a total dick.

**You could probably trawl through my posts and find a grammatical error, or some such very quickly.

You're perfect though Geoff.

Every other post of mine contains at least one grammatical error or mistake with punctuation.

And as I predicted it was very easy to find a mistake in my posts.

From memory I think they're was a genuine mistake rather than me trying to be humorous and it wasn't an auto-correct alteration, so thank you for highlighting it for me.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu May 31, 2018 9:36 am

Just to show these types of offences aren't new http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-44310536 or unique to one community or just males.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:05 am

3 of the Rochdale gang have lost their British citizenship and efforts will now be made to deport them, pending any appeals they make about right to family life in the UK where their own kids are etc.

They'll probably get some more legal aid to help fight deportation.

Millertime v1.7 · Post by **Millertime v1.7** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:47 am

Mate, this is a symptom of the class divide. Manboobs puts the blame solely on Muslim paedophile gangs but without the **** parents who breed feral kids these animals would have nothing to pray on.
Let me put it another way bud, succinctly... It's the human condition.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:47 am

Of course they'll get legal aid if they can't afford it. As they should. Just because they're **** doesn't mean they have fewer rights to legal representation than the rest of us.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Where were the parents of the groomers?

Probably in Pakistan

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:59 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Paedophiles of whatever gender (yes their are women) culture, religion or background seek out the vulnerable.

Catholic Priests were trusted by parents.
Fathers and Uncles who abuse there neices /nephews/sons/daughters use intimidation and a quiet family home when no-one is about.
Children at bording schools are abused by people with great authority who historically were not challenged.

In the case of grooming gangs they just seek out the most vulnerable and lure children in, and then find a way to keep them trapped.

That pretty much sums up how their operate. Regarding the grooming gangs the kids (well some) would have come from broken families or parents with drink & drug problems, in no way must be stressed I'm I condoning the groomers but just merely understanding the profile of the targets, anybody else wouldn't probably be victims it's the circumstances of the vunerable that's facilitated the evil deeds.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:01 am

tiger76 wrote:Just to show these types of offences aren't new http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-44310536 or unique to one community or just males.

And how did tis case pan out?? Out of interest.

Suratclaret · Post by **Suratclaret** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:58 am

tim_noone wrote:And how did tis case pan out?? Out of interest.

Jessop was jailed for 22years with both his wife and ex wife being acquitted.

Millertime v1.7 · Post by **Millertime v1.7** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:42 am

It's the human condition bud

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:53 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Paedophiles of whatever gender (yes their are women) culture, religion or background seek out the vulnerable.

Catholic Priests were trusted by parents.
Fathers and Uncles who abuse there neices /nephews/sons/daughters use intimidation and a quiet family home when no-one is about.
Children at bording schools are abused by people with great authority who historically were not challenged.

In the case of grooming gangs they just seek out the most vulnerable and lure children in, and then find a way to keep them trapped.

I think the race issue is being missed off this. These men deliberately targetted white and Sikh girls because of their own belief systems.