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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by clarethomer » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:01 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm
Does it take 3hrs to charge a car? Reading this thread it suggests about 40 mins, so it would be sat there for 2hrs,doing nothing, when somebody who needed the charger couldn't use it. If you think that's OK then fine.
It's perfectly OK. Here is why.

So the chargers near The Bridge pub are 7kWh chargers.

They charge using AC rather than DC and will charge at the same speed I can charge at from home. These chargers add around 33 miles of range each hour of charge for my car.

Therefore it could feasibly have cars sat on them for 1-7hrs depending on the state of charge when they arrived and no other restrictions in place for charging.

Of course it is poor etiquette to leave a car on there once it is fully charged and you should unplug and move if you have enough charge, or fully charged.

The chargers that allow the 20-40 min charging times are ultra rapid chargers and operate on DC. Rapid chargers are usually 43-50kWh and Ultra Rapid are 100kWh-350kWh.

Some cars can't benefit from the full 350kWh but most will take 100kWh as a minimum. I las went from around 25% to 80% in about 18mins using 250kWh chargers.

If you are not in a rush to charge, using these slower chargers are actually better.

If you know you are going to be 3hrs, it's better to take up a slower charger than a rapid one and leave a space blocked as your charge is done in 20 mins. Just common sense really.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1968claret » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:03 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:59 pm
Does it take 3hrs to charge a car? Reading this thread it suggests about 40 mins, so it would be sat there for 2hrs,doing nothing, when somebody who needed the charger couldn't use it. If you think that's OK then fine.
These are standard 7kwh charging points. Assuming that Lancaster probably comes from the Lancaster area, so will have a travelled a fair distance, the 2-3 hours to charge his vehicle would be reasonable. (Which is why I had said ‘as long as he is charging his vehicle).
Of course you can charge much more quickly than this at the fast chargers, but why do that when you are going to be on the match for 2 hours. EV owners would not have an issue with people charging for 2-3 hours at one of these chargers

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:27 pm

Casper wrote:
Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:25 pm
Fancy buying over the odds for an electric car
Why is it over the odds?

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:33 pm

1968claret wrote:
Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:03 pm
These are standard 7kwh charging points. Assuming that Lancaster probably comes from the Lancaster area, so will have a travelled a fair distance, the 2-3 hours to charge his vehicle would be reasonable. (Which is why I had said ‘as long as he is charging his vehicle).
Of course you can charge much more quickly than this at the fast chargers, but why do that when you are going to be on the match for 2 hours. EV owners would not have an issue with people charging for 2-3 hours at one of these chargers

Great info thanks
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Croydon Claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:27 pm

Major queues for fast chargers at many locations across the country due to an excess in demand. 2 hour plus queues with charging speeds having to be reduced

"Tesla owners blast Christmas car charging chaos across the UK" https://mol.im/a/11579649

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Nori1958 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:44 pm

I saw on TV during the cold snap, warnings for electric car drivers not to use their heaters if stuck in a traffic jam, as it uses all the charge
Imagine stuck in a 2hr queue at minus 6 with no heater.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1968claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:00 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:44 pm
I saw on TV during the cold snap, warnings for electric car drivers not to use their heaters if stuck in a traffic jam, as it uses all the charge
Imagine stuck in a 2hr queue at minus 6 with no heater.
Thankfully, it’s absolute b@@ll@cks. Yes the charge doesn’t last as long in colder weather but not to the extent described in the newspapers. Of course if you set off with very low charge and go stuck that could pose problems, just as if you set off with very little fuel.
Not like to media to exaggerate matters is it 😄

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by basil6345789 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:04 pm

Foulthrow wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:02 pm
And, don't the batteries last approx 3 to 5 years and then they'll need replacing, and the cost of replacing the battery is similar to the cost of the replacing the car? So, basically they have no sell on value?
There'll be a fortune to be made in electric to diesel conversion kits (like engines).

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1968claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:12 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:04 pm
There'll be a fortune to be made in electric to diesel conversion kits (like engines).
Guarantee on my car is 10 years for the battery. The battery is made of individual cells, so you just replace a cell as it goes.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1968claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:14 pm

Can you imagine if message boards had been a thing when the new fangled internal combustion engine motor vehicles were replacing the ping and trap 😂

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Nori1958 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:24 pm

1968claret wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:00 pm
Thankfully, it’s absolute b@@ll@cks. Yes the charge doesn’t last as long in colder weather but not to the extent described in the newspapers. Of course if you set off with very low charge and go stuck that could pose problems, just as if you set off with very little fuel.
Not like to media to exaggerate matters is it 😄
If my petrol car is half full, I'd have no problem keeping myself warm for the 2hrs....would an electric car on half charge be able to do the same?

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Croydon Claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:33 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:24 pm
If my petrol car is half full, I'd have no problem keeping myself warm for the 2hrs....would an electric car on half charge be able to do the same?
It's already been addressed in this thread. There's a mode that can be selected which will keep the vehicle warm with minimal drain on the battery

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Nori1958 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:35 pm

Croydon Claret wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:33 pm
It's already been addressed in this thread. There's a mode that can be selected which will keep the vehicle warm with minimal drain on the battery
Thankyou
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:00 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:24 pm
If my petrol car is half full, I'd have no problem keeping myself warm for the 2hrs....would an electric car on half charge be able to do the same?
Heater and seat warmer fine

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:01 pm

My trip yesterday ended with a 61% efficiency, which is poor. However, that seems to be the going rate, at this time.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by aggi » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:13 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:24 pm
If my petrol car is half full, I'd have no problem keeping myself warm for the 2hrs....would an electric car on half charge be able to do the same?
Using electricity for heating is far more efficient than petrol.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by HiThere » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:15 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:13 pm
Using electricity for heating is far more efficient than petrol.
Especially when you keep getting bombarded with £67 top-up barcodes. My heater and dryer has been on alternating 12-hour shifts.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1968claret » Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:21 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:24 pm
If my petrol car is half full, I'd have no problem keeping myself warm for the 2hrs....would an electric car on half charge be able to do the same?
Yes.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:24 pm

What if someone uninvents electricity? Will your electric cars still run then?
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Bosscat » Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:29 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:24 pm
What if someone uninvents electricity? Will your electric cars still run then?
🤔

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:15 am

Casper wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:07 am
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ueues.html


It’s the future.
Only if we are daft enough not to build the infrastructure*

*and the way we are doing things at the moment, you can't rule that out!

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1882Clarets1882 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:08 am

According to the RAC today , for longer journeys , its now more expensive to do it in an electric car.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:45 am

1882Clarets1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:08 am
According to the RAC today , for longer journeys , its now more expensive to do it in an electric car.
I am so pleased that I have not noticed any difference, with my free supercharging! Car paid for itself, when you include the sell on price.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by LS7 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:17 am

Keeping my petrol Golf for a few years and happy to be guided by the shipwrecks of others.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1882Clarets1882 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:31 am

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:45 am
I am so pleased that I have not noticed any difference, with my free supercharging! Car paid for itself, when you include the sell on price.
Good for you Ian.

Talking to a self employed guy over Christmas who transports vehicles, usually cars, all around the country. As he shifts them from here to there, he said he's seen large warehouses jam full of electric cars that due to the uneconomical viability of replacing the old battery , sit there gathering dust. Compared to their petrol cousin's , that many people on low incomes can afford, they are not old cars and relatively new.

Not saying this is the case with your car Ian BTW.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by thomo27 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:38 am

I read the RAC headline.
I have had a Tesla Model 3 for about 2 years and in that time have driven to Belgium twice through the tunnel.
Whilst I accept electricity costs are much higher, my most recent trip to Belgium saw supercharger prices of around 35p/kwh.
For reference at the beginning of the conflict when everyone panicked about electricity costs supercharger prices went up to around 66p/kwh in places.
Over 22,000 miles my car has averaged 259 wh/mile.
1000/259 = 3.86 miles per kW.
35/3.86 = 9p per mile for electricity.
When I charge at home (so the first 200 miles or so of any journey) I pay 7.5p/kwh
7.5/3.86 = 1.94p per mile for electricity.

Can anyone really tell me that is more expensive than petrol/diesel?

I do understand that some chargers have significantly higher prices than 35p/kwh, and it will affect the costs greatly.
But I maintain for the average person, charging most of the time at home if they can (another valid argument), the cost of filling up an electric car is ridiculously cheaper per mile than fuel.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by aggi » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:10 pm

1882Clarets1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:08 am
According to the RAC today , for longer journeys , its now more expensive to do it in an electric car.
This story seems to crop up every so often and seems to ignore that most people will charge the car at home (but obviously something to consider if this isn't an option).

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:22 pm

a new job sees me moving into an electric company car. I will need to get an electric point put in at home. Can those in the know point me in the right direction for getting one sorted?

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by FeedTheArf » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:31 pm

Electric cars are fast becoming the new brexit!

If an electric car works for you, brilliant. If it doesn't, stick with petrol. Nobody needs to convince the other party that they are correct.

I have an electric car, the wife uses it for her commute, around 80 mile round trip. We charge it at home. It works well for us. If we were going anywhere that the range would be an issue, we wouldn't take it.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:32 pm

Had a Tesla for around 3 weeks, absolute joy to drive and I’ve had some nice cars over the years, but they’re really smooth. It just seems a shame to have a nice quick motor and having to sit in the slow lane behind a wagon or risk needing another charge and adding 30-40 minutes to your journey

I’ve since changed jobs, and if I’m honest I wouldn’t get another at the moment, only because of the amount of miles I do. I really can’t be bothered waiting to charge at a service station when I’ve had a long day already, although when I’m forced to change over, I’ll also not be too fussed as hopefully the infrastructure will be a little better.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:33 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:31 pm
Electric cars are fast becoming the new brexit!

If an electric car works for you, brilliant. If it doesn't, stick with petrol. Nobody needs to convince the other party that they are correct.

I have an electric car, the wife uses it for her commute, around 80 mile round trip. We charge it at home. It works well for us. If we were going anywhere that the range would be an issue, we wouldn't take it.
Spot on, it’s amazing how many experts we have that haven’t even driven one 😂

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by 1882Clarets1882 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:57 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:10 pm
This story seems to crop up every so often and seems to ignore that most people will charge the car at home (but obviously something to consider if this isn't an option).
Regarding the cost of charging. Both main parties are pushing the drive to electric cars. If successful it'll leave an enormous black hole revenue wise left by the loss of income from VAT and duty from petrol and diesel sales. Can't see anything other than the cost of charging only increasing going forward.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Sutton-Claret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:44 pm

thomo27 wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:38 am
I read the RAC headline.
I have had a Tesla Model 3 for about 2 years and in that time have driven to Belgium twice through the tunnel.
Whilst I accept electricity costs are much higher, my most recent trip to Belgium saw supercharger prices of around 35p/kwh.
For reference at the beginning of the conflict when everyone panicked about electricity costs supercharger prices went up to around 66p/kwh in places.
Over 22,000 miles my car has averaged 259 wh/mile.
1000/259 = 3.86 miles per kW.
35/3.86 = 9p per mile for electricity.
When I charge at home (so the first 200 miles or so of any journey) I pay 7.5p/kwh
7.5/3.86 = 1.94p per mile for electricity.

Can anyone really tell me that is more expensive than petrol/diesel?

I do understand that some chargers have significantly higher prices than 35p/kwh, and it will affect the costs greatly.
But I maintain for the average person, charging most of the time at home if they can (another valid argument), the cost of filling up an electric car is ridiculously cheaper per mile than fuel.
A base Tesla Model 3 has a starting price of £47K.......
A BMW 320d xDrive SE Auto is £38K...... which is the same price as a base VW ID4 (I know which I would rather drive)

I suspect a few 'needed' options will nudge the Tesla beyond £50k. I can't get my head around the prices of leccy cars.....from an engineering and manufacturing point of view they're a much simpler animal than the equivalent ICE car.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:51 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:44 pm
A base Tesla Model 3 has a starting price of £47K.......
A BMW 320d xDrive SE Auto is £38K...... which is the same price as a base VW ID4 (I know which I would rather drive)

I suspect a few 'needed' options will nudge the Tesla beyond £50k. I can't get my head around the prices of leccy cars.....from an engineering and manufacturing point of view they're a much simpler animal than the equivalent ICE car.
Mine was £43k brand new, had everything

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:55 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:44 pm
A base Tesla Model 3 has a starting price of £47K.......
A BMW 320d xDrive SE Auto is £38K...... which is the same price as a base VW ID4 (I know which I would rather drive)

I suspect a few 'needed' options will nudge the Tesla beyond £50k. I can't get my head around the prices of leccy cars.....from an engineering and manufacturing point of view they're a much simpler animal than the equivalent ICE car.
Cost of batteries. Don’t know the exact costs but Solar batteries are around £1400 for a 3.2 kw.
I think the longer range cars have over 60 kw of batteries.

Based on that could be £24-30 k for the batteries alone.

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Post by clarethomer » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:00 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:44 pm
A base Tesla Model 3 has a starting price of £47K.......
A BMW 320d xDrive SE Auto is £38K...... which is the same price as a base VW ID4 (I know which I would rather drive)

I suspect a few 'needed' options will nudge the Tesla beyond £50k. I can't get my head around the prices of leccy cars.....from an engineering and manufacturing point of view they're a much simpler animal than the equivalent ICE car.
My Tesla was under £40k when I got it. That was with a cost of non-standard paint colour and a a tow hitch for carrying bikes if I needed it.

BMW are a good example of difference between a petrol/electric.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:06 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:55 pm
Cost of batteries. Don’t know the exact costs but Solar batteries are around £1400 for a 3.2 kw.
I think the longer range cars have over 60 kw of batteries.

Based on that could be £24-30 k for the batteries alone.
https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehic ... y-cost-uk/

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Sutton-Claret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:07 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:00 pm
My Tesla was under £40k when I got it. That was with a cost of non-standard paint colour and a a tow hitch for carrying bikes if I needed it.

BMW are a good example of difference between a petrol/electric.

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I just don't get the price difference.... the hybrid should be the more expensive model. The EV is basically 4 motors and ton of batteries - no engine / no gearbox (as such) / no drivetrain

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:09 pm

Like all things, they obviously came down in price.

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Post by beddie » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:11 pm

I’m happy to carry on with my Diesel engine, I don’t hang about and it’s still giving me 61 miles to the gallon and a bonus it’s no vehicle tax. We’d thought about an upgrade but similar models don’t come anywhere near the mpg and a lot have a tax of £165.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:11 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:07 pm
I just don't get the price difference.... the hybrid should be the more expensive model. The EV is basically 4 motors and ton of batteries - no engine / no gearbox (as such) / no drivetrain
Based on the battery prices Bosscat posted .

EV cars should be no more expensive than petrol or diesel equivalent.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by thomo27 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:26 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:31 pm
Electric cars are fast becoming the new brexit!

If an electric car works for you, brilliant. If it doesn't, stick with petrol. Nobody needs to convince the other party that they are correct.

I have an electric car, the wife uses it for her commute, around 80 mile round trip. We charge it at home. It works well for us. If we were going anywhere that the range would be an issue, we wouldn't take it.
I fully agree with this.
Whilst I am an electric car driver, and expect to never go back, they are a tool and as such are not for everyone.

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Post by thomo27 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:31 pm

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Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:22 pm
a new job sees me moving into an electric company car. I will need to get an electric point put in at home. Can those in the know point me in the right direction for getting one sorted?
I have a pod point solo smart charger on my wall at home.
Standard 7kW single phase, adds about 30 miles of range per hour.

I think I might still have a referral code and details of the company that installed it.

I have the Intelligent Octopus tariff that gives me a cheap rate during the night.
Its all tied in together - The Octopus app has my Tesla added to it and a page where I tell it what charge level i want and when i want it.
All i do is plug in when I get home (if I need to) and the app does the rest. I wake up the next day to a charged car.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:05 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:09 pm
Like all things, they obviously came down in price.
I read somewhere they are going to re-purpose (hmmmm read that somewhere today on here) EV Car batteries for Solar storage at home

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by clarethomer » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:35 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:07 pm
I just don't get the price difference.... the hybrid should be the more expensive model. The EV is basically 4 motors and ton of batteries - no engine / no gearbox (as such) / no drivetrain
I think there are a few points of consideration with the difference in cost.

Firstly there will be the cost of the batteries like has already been pointed out. The hybrid (plug in versions) are not the same battery technology as the full on EVs from what I understand and they are much smaller in scale too.

The other bit that needs to be considered is the research and development costs - they have said for a while now that they expect price parity between EV/ICE to be around 2025/26. Whether that has changed with what has gone on in the world - who knows?

However the cars that are being built on their own platform, there is cost to changing the manufacturing process, new robots/machines/tools etc. That is a huge investment for car firms so therefore the cost at the moment is probably helping recoup some of those costs back too in the pricing.

It's no doubt a good barrier for some to wait and stay in an ICE vehicle but the I do think there is probably good rationale in terms of the price difference and I would expect to see more competition and as the investment into producing these vehicles being repaid that we will naturally see these costs get closer.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by aggi » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:05 pm

1882Clarets1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:57 pm
Regarding the cost of charging. Both main parties are pushing the drive to electric cars. If successful it'll leave an enormous black hole revenue wise left by the loss of income from VAT and duty from petrol and diesel sales. Can't see anything other than the cost of charging only increasing going forward.
Probably, but also the cost of tax (this has already been flagged to increase I think) and very possibly per mile charging or similar.
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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by clarethomer » Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:34 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:05 pm
Probably, but also the cost of tax (this has already been flagged to increase I think) and very possibly per mile charging or similar.
Charging per the mile seems the approach that I have seen mentioned most but I genuinely don't know how they would do it in reality. How would they know what miles are done.

New cars won't officially report the mileage to the government until they go into a MOT so I can imagine when you get to that point, you could get charged that way but then that brings up issues of when you sell and buy mid point between these - presume you would need to report the mileage on the Sale document and have lease companies be responsible for reporting or ensuring the tax is settled upon the return of a car.

Would it instead use camera technology that exists similarly to how they charge and capture payments for the dartford crossing/clean air zones/Bus Lanes/Congestion charges to capture use of car and time spent? Not sure how they would determine the miles I had done and whether it would charge a flat fee so it works so it doesn't matter whether you had done 100 miles in that area or driven 1mile and parked up for most of the day and driven a mile back out?

Currently charging at a public charger attracts 20% VAT I think compared to 5% at home, so the government are recouping some of that tax back already for the use of the car. Could this see governments seeking to use smart meters or energy companies to find a way of separating your domestic use energy and your car charging energy and increasing the VAT on that element?

Will be interesting to see what they do. Can't imagine they will want to show their hand/discuss it too early at the fear of pushing adoption further out.

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Re: Fully Electric Cars

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:53 pm

1882Clarets1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:31 am
Good for you Ian.

Talking to a self employed guy over Christmas who transports vehicles, usually cars, all around the country. As he shifts them from here to there, he said he's seen large warehouses jam full of electric cars that due to the uneconomical viability of replacing the old battery , sit there gathering dust. Compared to their petrol cousin's , that many people on low incomes can afford, they are not old cars and relatively new.

Not saying this is the case with your car Ian BTW.
It is a fair comment and my 8 year guarantee ends about March 24 so a time of unease. However, there is a company in East London, which changes individual batteries, rather than the whole pack. Tesla price dropped from £20k to £10k for the lot, so not the end, if the rest us still ok!
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