they aren't free but the cost is minimal and cheaper than paying for parking.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:15 pmThere are chargers on Kingsway in Burnley, normally free. Very close to the Bridge bier huis for a quick real ale before the game.
Normally free.
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Can you leave your car charging there while the match is on?1968claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:52 amthey aren't free but the cost is minimal and cheaper than paying for parking.
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If we are driving to Woking to visit our Grand Kids we usually have a 1/2 hour to 3/4 hour stop for a toilet break and a brew so wouldn't see a problem with a 30 to 40 minute recharge ... 90% of journeys by the average person in their car are are journeys of less than 20 miles ... so as long as you can charge your car at home whats the problem ...
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I remember returning from Blackpool Mecca at 1am on the free coach (in the mid 1970’s), half way back to Burnley there was always a spontaneous choir singing the well known coach passenger song
Does the driver want to wee wee...
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Fancy paying £90 to fill up your car with petrol and being brainwashed into thinking it was a great idea.
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Before you set off you'll have to research where the chargers are, and hope when you get there one is free, otherwise your half hour stop could turn into a few hoursBosscat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:15 amIf we are driving to Woking to visit our Grand Kids we usually have a 1/2 hour to 3/4 hour stop for a toilet break and a brew so wouldn't see a problem with a 30 to 40 minute recharge ... 90% of journeys by the average person in their car are are journeys of less than 20 miles ... so as long as you can charge your car at home whats the problem ...
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I leave the house each morning with a full tank. I spend 5 seconds plugging in on my last journey of the day and unplugging on my first the next. Not sure you can fill up where it only takes you 10 seconds of effort to do it.
I drive regularly down to the midlands. I get there without stopping and I plug in at the carpark I go to, and go work and then come back to the car and its charged again. Again a 10 second effort.
I did a trip from the midlands back up to North Yorkshire before coming back towards Burnley. I drove for a couple of hours - stopped at a service station where the Tesla supercharges were. 5 seconds to plug in - walked for a comfort break, queued at Costa and got a drink - walked back to my car and spend 7 mins waiting for the car to get back to 80%. Caught up on a couple of emails and then set off on my journey.
Im not sure where I have had any inconvenience in what was probably around 500 miles I did on those journeys.
99% of the time I do journeys which means I only have to plug in every 3-4 days.
To complete that journey - It cost me £2 of fuel to get down to the midlands, I paid £10 for the carpark and got a free charge included and then I paid £12 at the supercharger and then £2 for topping up back to full when I arrived home. So even if you ignored the £10 parking would have been required anyway - £36 to do 500 miles using public and private charging. £26 if you accept parking was a separate cost
I drive regularly down to the midlands. I get there without stopping and I plug in at the carpark I go to, and go work and then come back to the car and its charged again. Again a 10 second effort.
I did a trip from the midlands back up to North Yorkshire before coming back towards Burnley. I drove for a couple of hours - stopped at a service station where the Tesla supercharges were. 5 seconds to plug in - walked for a comfort break, queued at Costa and got a drink - walked back to my car and spend 7 mins waiting for the car to get back to 80%. Caught up on a couple of emails and then set off on my journey.
Im not sure where I have had any inconvenience in what was probably around 500 miles I did on those journeys.
99% of the time I do journeys which means I only have to plug in every 3-4 days.
To complete that journey - It cost me £2 of fuel to get down to the midlands, I paid £10 for the carpark and got a free charge included and then I paid £12 at the supercharger and then £2 for topping up back to full when I arrived home. So even if you ignored the £10 parking would have been required anyway - £36 to do 500 miles using public and private charging. £26 if you accept parking was a separate cost
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To sum up - electric cars are wonderful for some, not so good for others.
To sum up further - the technology as it stands is not suitable for universal electric car use, but as things change over time, it may well become suitable for all.
To sum up further - the technology as it stands is not suitable for universal electric car use, but as things change over time, it may well become suitable for all.
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Out of the park clarethomer, you've just knocked it out of the parkclarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:37 amI leave the house each morning with a full tank. I spend 5 seconds plugging in on my last journey of the day and unplugging on my first the next. Not sure you can fill up where it only takes you 10 seconds of effort to do it.
I drive regularly down to the midlands. I get there without stopping and I plug in at the carpark I go to, and go work and then come back to the car and its charged again. Again a 10 second effort.
I did a trip from the midlands back up to North Yorkshire before coming back towards Burnley. I drove for a couple of hours - stopped at a service station where the Tesla supercharges were. 5 seconds to plug in - walked for a comfort break, queued at Costa and got a drink - walked back to my car and spend 7 mins waiting for the car to get back to 80%. Caught up on a couple of emails and then set off on my journey.
Im not sure where I have had any inconvenience in what was probably around 500 miles I did on those journeys.
99% of the time I do journeys which means I only have to plug in every 3-4 days.
To complete that journey - It cost me £2 of fuel to get down to the midlands, I paid £10 for the carpark and got a free charge included and then I paid £12 at the supercharger and then £2 for topping up back to full when I arrived home. So even if you ignored the £10 parking would have been required anyway - £36 to do 500 miles using public and private charging. £26 if you accept parking was a separate cost
I'll now read the various parody accounts (all old people) telling you that you are wrong
(the only issue I can see is if you live in a house where it is impossible to park your car outside to charge)
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Would you say that the rollout of new chargers is keeping up with the ever increasing demand from new electric vehicles coming onto the roads?
Hopefully it's exceeding demand
Hopefully it's exceeding demand
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Anyone ‘disappointed’ with their petrol car mpg (and are not yet ready for e-changeover) might consider the Nissan 1.5 dCi diesel engine (only available second hand now).
I run a Qashqai 1.5 dCi automatic which averages 55 mpg which is exceptional for quite a large family car.
I run a Qashqai 1.5 dCi automatic which averages 55 mpg which is exceptional for quite a large family car.
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If I had an electric car it would do my head in having to work out where there are charging points, stopping and waiting for it to charge, especially if the quick charges were full. Sorry it’s a waist of life as far as I’m concerned. My neighbours about to bin his latest top of the range Tesla and go back to Diesel for now due to the above.
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Some of the electric cars being advertised have a range of 130 miles, i regularly do trips of far more than 130 miles, and I wouldn't want the hassle of charging the car twice a day, whilst trying to get somewhere, so it's a no from me at this time.clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:37 amI leave the house each morning with a full tank. I spend 5 seconds plugging in on my last journey of the day and unplugging on my first the next. Not sure you can fill up where it only takes you 10 seconds of effort to do it.
I drive regularly down to the midlands. I get there without stopping and I plug in at the carpark I go to, and go work and then come back to the car and its charged again. Again a 10 second effort.
I did a trip from the midlands back up to North Yorkshire before coming back towards Burnley. I drove for a couple of hours - stopped at a service station where the Tesla supercharges were. 5 seconds to plug in - walked for a comfort break, queued at Costa and got a drink - walked back to my car and spend 7 mins waiting for the car to get back to 80%. Caught up on a couple of emails and then set off on my journey.
Im not sure where I have had any inconvenience in what was probably around 500 miles I did on those journeys.
99% of the time I do journeys which means I only have to plug in every 3-4 days.
To complete that journey - It cost me £2 of fuel to get down to the midlands, I paid £10 for the carpark and got a free charge included and then I paid £12 at the supercharger and then £2 for topping up back to full when I arrived home. So even if you ignored the £10 parking would have been required anyway - £36 to do 500 miles using public and private charging. £26 if you accept parking was a separate cost
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Nice... good figures and informative too, I appreciate the info.clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:37 amI leave the house each morning with a full tank. I spend 5 seconds plugging in on my last journey of the day and unplugging on my first the next. Not sure you can fill up where it only takes you 10 seconds of effort to do it.
I drive regularly down to the midlands. I get there without stopping and I plug in at the carpark I go to, and go work and then come back to the car and its charged again. Again a 10 second effort.
I did a trip from the midlands back up to North Yorkshire before coming back towards Burnley. I drove for a couple of hours - stopped at a service station where the Tesla supercharges were. 5 seconds to plug in - walked for a comfort break, queued at Costa and got a drink - walked back to my car and spend 7 mins waiting for the car to get back to 80%. Caught up on a couple of emails and then set off on my journey.
Im not sure where I have had any inconvenience in what was probably around 500 miles I did on those journeys.
99% of the time I do journeys which means I only have to plug in every 3-4 days.
To complete that journey - It cost me £2 of fuel to get down to the midlands, I paid £10 for the carpark and got a free charge included and then I paid £12 at the supercharger and then £2 for topping up back to full when I arrived home. So even if you ignored the £10 parking would have been required anyway - £36 to do 500 miles using public and private charging. £26 if you accept parking was a separate cost
I can do the same 500 miles for about £55-£60 diesel in my car, which I completely own and have little additional costs for. At the moment I just cant justify writing off my current car to spend northwards of £40k (minimum) to achieve the savings for me.
I'd love to have a fully electric car but just don't have the funds to do it (and before you suggest a finance deal or lease, I'd rather not after previous experience with a lease where I ended up in court to prove I hadn't done £3k+ damage to the lease car on return - it was subsequently written off with nothing wrong with it apart from wear and tear of 100k miles)
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For some people, cost is an issue. I've been driving for 34 years and the capital costs of my 5 vehicles has been less than £25k in total. Can electric cars be purchased (or otherwise finances) to cost less than £1k per year? Or a bit more perhaps to allow for lower running costs?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:43 amOut of the park clarethomer, you've just knocked it out of the park
I'll now read the various parody accounts (all old people) telling you that you are wrong
(the only issue I can see is if you live in a house where it is impossible to park your car outside to charge)
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Yes, I am aware that cost is an issuedsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:06 pmFor some people, cost is an issue. I've been driving for 34 years and the capital costs of my 5 vehicles has been less than £25k in total. Can electric cars be purchased (or otherwise finances) to cost less than £1k per year? Or a bit more perhaps to allow for lower running costs?
That is the only reason we don't have an electric car as its clearly the future of personal transport
Our next car is almost certainly going to be electric
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The new MG4 EV is £26,000 on the road, it’s had very good reviews and is undoubtedly excellent value for money BUT it is built in China and their record on worker exploitation, poor health and safety regulations and possible major government subsidy might make you think twice before buying one (then again it might not).Zlatan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:02 pmNice... good figures and informative too, I appreciate the info.
I can do the same 500 miles for about £55-£60 diesel in my car, which I completely own and have little additional costs for. At the moment I just cant justify writing off my current car to spend northwards of £40k (minimum) to achieve the savings for me.
I'd love to have a fully electric car but just don't have the funds to do it (and before you suggest a finance deal or lease, I'd rather not after previous experience with a lease where I ended up in court to prove I hadn't done £3k+ damage to the lease car on return - it was subsequently written off with nothing wrong with it apart from wear and tear of 100k miles)
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range is crap thoughMala591 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:14 pmThe new MG4 EV is £26,000 on the road, it’s had very good reviews and is undoubtedly excellent value for money BUT it is built in China and their record on worker exploitation, poor health and safety regulations and possible major government subsidy might make you think twice before buying one (then again it might not).
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I'm still getting my head around the shift to electric too but I'm also pragmatic and understand that one way or another it will inevitably be the best option at some point.
Best to ask questions now and understand from the horse's mouth what's involved. Turns out that most of my preconceived ideas were wrong so this has been a great thread
You can absolutely guarantee that come 2030 the government will try to price you out of petrol/diesel vehicles.
Whether that be:
- charging all cars per mile driven but no discount for ICE cars that have already effectively paid per mile via fuel tax. So you'd be paying twice
- fuel duty will probably go up by some silly amount anyway
- Vehicle excise duty will no doubt sky rocket
- Ultra low emission zones, the likes of which have now been extended to all of Greater London, will become more common place if not nationwide. Currently £12 a day if you drive an older vehicle! They could easily change that to apply to all ICE vehicles
I'm happy to wait for a while yet before changing over but I can't bury my head in the sand forever.
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I normally keep my cars for 10 to 15 years. Having bought a new one this year, I can quite happily bury my head in the sand for quite some time, and by that time I might not be driving anyway. One reason why older people might look at this topic a little different to the younger posters, not just to annoy certain posters.Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:18 pmI'm still getting my head around the shift to electric too but I'm also pragmatic and understand that one way or another it will inevitably be the best option at some point.
Best to ask questions now and understand from the horse's mouth what's involved. Turns out that most of my preconceived ideas were wrong so this has been a great thread
You can absolutely guarantee that come 2030 the government will try to price you out of petrol/diesel vehicles.
Whether that be:
- charging all cars per mile driven but no discount for ICE cars that have already effectively paid per mile via fuel tax. So you'd be paying twice
- fuel duty will probably go up by some silly amount anyway
- Vehicle excise duty will no doubt sky rocket
- Ultra low emission zones, the likes of which have now been extended to all of Greater London, will become more common place if not nationwide. Currently £12 a day if you drive an older vehicle! They could easily change that to apply to all ICE vehicles
I'm happy to wait for a while yet before changing over but I can't bury my head in the sand forever.
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If you drive 200 miles a week (10,000 miles a year) you’d only need to charge it overnight once a week.
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That's fine Norri and anyone else that doesn't think its right for them. As EV owners we can try and help people understand and provide an alternate view to some of the narrative that seems to exist.
EV ownership isn't for everyone and there are certainly a lot of reasons to why it may not work for people as of today. In fact I probably wouldn't have changed if I hadn't been able to properly learn and understand the realities of EV ownership from someone that was one and could work out whether the change was for me.
If you do regular trips of 130 miles then I would suggest that you could own an EV and do these easily.
If you had the ability to charge before you left home and the 130 miles was a 65 miles there, 65 miles back, you could do that without having to worry about public charging. If it was 130 miles and stop and 130 miles back then you would probably likely want to stop once anyway and you could charge in that stop.
We own an E-Golf and a Tesla Standard Range Model 3. The range on the E-Golf is 90-100miles this time of year with 140miles in winter. The Tesla has a range of around 230 this time of year for me and 245 in summer.
So clearly if you needed to do 130 regularly, I wouldn't suggest getting an E-Golf or a car that has around a 35kWh battery. However if you can get a car that is capable of dealing with your range quite easily.
Now whether the car that did that range would be something you wanted/could consider is a different question but the fact is you could overcome the barriers you have quoted. It's not the EV that's the issue if its just a matter of range for you.
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Before my Tesla - I had a VW SUV and when I added up the running costs in total - My Tesla was cheaper. Similar cost for the car but massive reduction in cost to run and service etc.dsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:06 pmFor some people, cost is an issue. I've been driving for 34 years and the capital costs of my 5 vehicles has been less than £25k in total. Can electric cars be purchased (or otherwise finances) to cost less than £1k per year? Or a bit more perhaps to allow for lower running costs?
Now if you have spent £25k in total in that time. You are not going to find a Tesla value for money.
Pick up a couple of hatchback EV models on the second hand market and probably get £5k and £1k a year running costs. However without knowing your requirements for daily mileage and how many journeys you do that are likely to be a challenge for these cars, its hard to say if it would work.
It might not be right for you - and if it isn't then that's ok. Its what works for you.
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Electric cars wouldn't be right for me full stop (as technology is now) because I live in a terraced house with no drive.clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:05 pmBefore my Tesla - I had a VW SUV and when I added up the running costs in total - My Tesla was cheaper. Similar cost for the car but massive reduction in cost to run and service etc.
Now if you have spent £25k in total in that time. You are not going to find a Tesla value for money.
Pick up a couple of hatchback EV models on the second hand market and probably get £5k and £1k a year running costs. However without knowing your requirements for daily mileage and how many journeys you do that are likely to be a challenge for these cars, its hard to say if it would work.
It might not be right for you - and if it isn't then that's ok. Its what works for you.
But when second hand prices come down to £5k (sounds like they already have) and can be expected to run for 7-8 years with no major issues, then barring the charging issue they may be coming to a reasonable price level.
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Surely you'd get one that has a range greater than 130 miles then.
Those are generally marketed as a second car for people who commute short distances, etc.
Although personally I think the electric car thing is a bit of a panacea. They may be better than ICE cars but ultimately still generate most of the same problems.
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As I've explained in a later post it's not something I need to think about for quite some time, but I guess the higher range vehicles have a higher price?aggi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:24 pmSurely you'd get one that has a range greater than 130 miles then.
Those are generally marketed as a second car for people who commute short distances, etc.
Although personally I think the electric car thing is a bit of a panacea. They may be better than ICE cars but ultimately still generate most of the same problems.
By the time it becomes a issue for me I would hope range, and charging availability would have vastly improved....
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I have now driven well overc60k miles and probably spent £200 on electric. That is because, before the new supercharger 8 miles away, I paid £7 per month to get free charge via what was Polar (now BP).
Car paying for itself!
Car paying for itself!
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Just got my Tesla and I love it. Wake up to having a full tank every morning is brilliant. Tesla Chargers can charge 80% in 15-20 mins. Most others in 40/50 mins. Fuel savings are massive from charging at home to what I was putting in a week I’m my Audi before. £150 a week. It probably it won’t even cost me that a month. I work on the road a lot so if I needed to charge, I sit in a Starbucks and crack on with work on the laptop.
People overthink reasons. Most people don’t even do 50 miles a day on average
There are more and more charges becoming available so it’s obviously going to be the future with the amount of investment into infrastructure. The key is getting in while it’s still economical to do
People overthink reasons. Most people don’t even do 50 miles a day on average
There are more and more charges becoming available so it’s obviously going to be the future with the amount of investment into infrastructure. The key is getting in while it’s still economical to do
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I think so Lancaster. I don’t remember there being any time restrictions. As long as your car is plugged in and charging I think you are fine. I could check next time I am there if you wish.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:02 amCan you leave your car charging there while the match is on?
You do need to be careful though as there will often be restrictions. In particular at supermarkets you would still be limited by the normal free parking restrictions.
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Leaving it charging whilst at football is not very thoughtful for others who may want to charge their vehicle1968claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:56 pmI think so Lancaster. I don’t remember there being any time restrictions. As long as your car is plugged in and charging I think you are fine. I could check next time I am there if you wish.
You do need to be careful though as there will often be restrictions. In particular at supermarkets you would still be limited by the normal free parking restrictions.
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The chargers on kings way can be hit and miss for spaces as they seem
Quite popular
Quite popular
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It would be interesting to know if the 12 giant wind turbines on the moors above the town provide enough electricity to ‘power’ the town including EV’s.
We could be one of the ‘greenest’ self-sufficient towns in the UK. Now THAT would be something to be proud about!
We could be one of the ‘greenest’ self-sufficient towns in the UK. Now THAT would be something to be proud about!
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I’ve never had an issue finding available when I have needed them. Although might just be around timing.clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:16 pmThe chargers on kings way can be hit and miss for spaces as they seem
Quite popular
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I haven't got an electric car but its on the cards at some stage, and I was wondering about places to plug it in while at the game1968claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:56 pmI think so Lancaster. I don’t remember there being any time restrictions. As long as your car is plugged in and charging I think you are fine. I could check next time I am there if you wish.
You do need to be careful though as there will often be restrictions. In particular at supermarkets you would still be limited by the normal free parking restrictions.
I suppose leaving it charging for 3 hours when it only needed 1 hour would be frowned upon?
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The people who might have an issue with it are people with an electric car that needs charging, and they can't because several fully charged cars are taking the space while their owners are elsewhere. When charging spaces are limited, it's unreasonable to leave the car there for several hours more than it needs.1968claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:51 pmErr why? As long as you are charging your car, while it is parked then no issue whatsoever. Why would it be??
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They certainly haven't for the last week or so. When the wind starts blowing again, perhaps.Mala591 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:34 pmIt would be interesting to know if the 12 giant wind turbines on the moors above the town provide enough electricity to ‘power’ the town including EV’s.
We could be one of the ‘greenest’ self-sufficient towns in the UK. Now THAT would be something to be proud about!
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Does it take 3hrs to charge a car? Reading this thread it suggests about 40 mins, so it would be sat there for 2hrs,doing nothing, when somebody who needed the charger couldn't use it. If you think that's OK then fine.1968claret wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:51 pmErr why? As long as you are charging your car, while it is parked then no issue whatsoever. Why would it be??
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Been driving electric leaf for 5 years, I live in the North East.
If we're going anywhere Lancashire, Yorkshire, the lakes, Edinburgh, etc we use my car.
Any further south, Oxford, Bath, Cotswolds, etc. we'll take the wife's petrol Merc.
Quite simply because the journeys around the North and back home again are no problem on a single charge if I set off at 100%, couldn't be bothered messing around trying to find chargers that are available and in working order down south until the infrastructure is greatly improved, heard too many poor experience stories.
The charging infrastructure country wide has a long way to go for me to have confidence that I can plan a long distance journey all electric, quite frankly I really can't be bothered with the hassle.
We are all different, some of us will not do long distance in a car and only potter around locally, some manly do local but occasionally do long distance either on a visit or a holiday, some regularly whether for work or leisure.
When it comes to mass adoption, I don't believe that having a drive will be the determining factor, there are many ways technology can overcome this, after all, you don't even need to plug many of the latest phones in to charge them.
A 400 miles, genuine real world range is required for many people to accept that electric vehicles will cover almost all of their motoring needs.
It will be a car that can be purchased at an 'affordable' price and get people to where they want to be in this country in a single journey. It's the reason why the mentality ingrained in us to 'fill up the car before we set off' needs addressing by the electric vehicle manufacturers to achieve mass adoption.
Good luck to my fellow pioneers who are giving it a go and experimenting with trying to make it work for you, I would not go back as long as I have a choice. Still can't believe how easy and uncomplicated driving is.
If we're going anywhere Lancashire, Yorkshire, the lakes, Edinburgh, etc we use my car.
Any further south, Oxford, Bath, Cotswolds, etc. we'll take the wife's petrol Merc.
Quite simply because the journeys around the North and back home again are no problem on a single charge if I set off at 100%, couldn't be bothered messing around trying to find chargers that are available and in working order down south until the infrastructure is greatly improved, heard too many poor experience stories.
The charging infrastructure country wide has a long way to go for me to have confidence that I can plan a long distance journey all electric, quite frankly I really can't be bothered with the hassle.
We are all different, some of us will not do long distance in a car and only potter around locally, some manly do local but occasionally do long distance either on a visit or a holiday, some regularly whether for work or leisure.
When it comes to mass adoption, I don't believe that having a drive will be the determining factor, there are many ways technology can overcome this, after all, you don't even need to plug many of the latest phones in to charge them.
A 400 miles, genuine real world range is required for many people to accept that electric vehicles will cover almost all of their motoring needs.
It will be a car that can be purchased at an 'affordable' price and get people to where they want to be in this country in a single journey. It's the reason why the mentality ingrained in us to 'fill up the car before we set off' needs addressing by the electric vehicle manufacturers to achieve mass adoption.
Good luck to my fellow pioneers who are giving it a go and experimenting with trying to make it work for you, I would not go back as long as I have a choice. Still can't believe how easy and uncomplicated driving is.
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