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Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:23 pm
by KateR
not just EV's where the problem is, started my journey from Oil & Gas to alternatives, including carbon capture late 2019, by mid 2020 I had enough material to present to the company that had requested me to look at the future, particularly around O&G versus the new technologies (not so new but growing demand and discussions). After I presented and obviously answered numerous questions, they decided to start a new small internal group to develop a new business line further but with limited funding, I was asked to remain with the group in the consulting capacity and a somewhat leadership role. 2020 I was very excited and developed further business plans for a five year plan with very cautious out comes for 2021/2022. My caution has been proven out and my excitement has developed into a genuine concern. While what I've strived hard to accomplish was not just regarding EV's, as some might know, I predicted hydrogen vehicles to become the dominant transport mode, plus decarbonization in general.
During the 3 months this year I am now pushing back on many who believe the wave of change is around the corner and cite things like the Green Deal, I'm well aware of numerous global projects that have been planned and are waiting to be implemented, BUT, there is still nowhere that Gov. grants/subsidies are detailed enough for a wave of new projects to actually start! I recently posted here about the hydro electric plan for Scotland that is sat there waiting for the Gov. to provide assurances, it's not just about grants or subsidies. It's also about pricing guarantees, further to this please note the two links that are UK based in terms of the future regarding green/global warming, worth reading in my opinion whether you're for or against.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65107072
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58160547
Right now, regarding EV's it's far more of an individual choice, there are incentives and there are charging points but as already pointed out it need to be multiplied many times in order to make an expediential growth in EV ownership a reality, hydrogen vehicles are where EV's were 15/20 years ago, so an even further stretch to improve.
Taffy is sat in the best place in my mind regarding Gov. support and I'd hasten to say for the use and growth of EV's, I work with groups at local and sometimes (infrequently) with Federal in regard to the support required to make meaningful changes.
It' doesn't matter whether US/EU/UK or other governments I get involved with (Columbia) there's a long long way to go yet in having clarity for investments in this sector to happen, but we are slowly making small inroads, here and there and I don't see it stopping. So those not fully sold today may very well be the ones converting in the future, just for openness, none of my family have EV's or H2 vehicles, but work wise in the last 2.5 years I've witnessed a completed change to the company vehicles, where they're now mostly EV's but also include a few H2 cars.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:37 pm
by Lowbankclaret
KateR wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:23 pm
not just EV's where the problem is, started my journey from Oil & Gas
A little new invention I was told about this week. And this a few months after having solar fitted, gutted.
French company who recognised solar panels lose efficiency in hot weather .
So they designed a water cooled solar panel that heats your water for your house as well as providing electric more efficiently.
I would have bought these if I had known at the time.
https://dualsun.com/en/products/dualsun-spring/
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:02 pm
by enduroclaret
Bosscat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:40 pm
But what about the purchase/Lease cost on an ICE car and Road fund licence etc etc involved in running an ICE car haven't you factored that in
You have a fair point. I’ve always been more of a van and motorcycle chap really. Since I sold my business 5 years ago I’ve sort of had a downer on expensive cars….now I don’t have a limited company to fund the purchase.
My 1997 Toyota Land Cruiser does about 35 mpg and I bought it for £3K four years ago. So it’s a pretty cheap package. Plus I get a hit of inverted snobbery!
I’d have probably been all over a Tesla a few years ago!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:09 pm
by dougcollins
Summer holidays. How long would you actually have to queue for before you connect for your two hour charge? Days? How do they seriously accommodate all these people?
Re-charging your car would actually become a significant part of your holiday for those off to Devon, Cornwall etc.
No thanks, it'll be pushing me back on the monster pollutant flights to Southern Italy.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:31 pm
by KateR
To be honest, I think or at least thought, these had been around for a while now.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:33 pm
by tarkys_ears
I'll stick to the 3.0 V6 turbo SUV ta
550 miles off a tank of unleaded, takes two minutes to fill it up.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:36 pm
by IanMcL
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:33 pm
I'll stick to the 3.0 V6 turbo SUV ta
550 miles off a tank of unleaded, takes two minutes to fill it up.
Stand behind it, with the engine running for a few mins.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:50 am
by Caballo
IanMcL wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:36 pm
Stand behind it, with the engine running for a few mins.
Stand next to a power station stack for a few mins.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:10 am
by Rick_Muller
I do like the BEV concept, but I am troubled by a few things such as how the electricity is generated for them now - I think until we get generation of electricity to be renewable it’s a poor argument for green transport.
Also the initial cost of vehicles (ignore leasing - it still costs) I understand that VMs have massively inflated the initial costs to counterbalance the lost revenues from subsequent years of servicing that traditional ICE vehicles face along with the associated OE parts from the VMs.
Utopia for me (based on what we know now) looks like we’ll made modular individual transport systems that combine synthetic fuels for simple highly efficient range extenders with EVs to provide long range clean EVs, but that’s my opinion at the moment and I’m open to be persuaded otherwise.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:24 am
by IanMcL
Caballo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:50 am
Stand next to a power station stack for a few mins.
They are all being dismantled!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:23 pm
by Caballo
IanMcL wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:24 am
They are all being dismantled!
So are gas guzzling cars
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:43 pm
by thomaspaine
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:33 pm
I'll stick to the 3.0 V6 turbo SUV ta
550 miles off a tank of unleaded, takes two minutes to fill it up.
…..You missed saying how much for a full tank of unleaded ?…
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:17 pm
by Lowbankclaret
KateR wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:31 pm
To be honest, I think or at least thought, these had been around for a while now.
There have been panels which heat your water and just your water. Which have been around years.
Then Solar providing electric.
But I hadn’t come across the water cooled solar panels which provide electric and heated water, I would have had them fitted if I had read about them when doing my research perhaps I just missed them.
Seem a fantastic idea to me.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:26 pm
by AlargeClaret
It’s not electric cars I’ve an issue with , it’s the drivers of them .It their whole raison d’etre , every journey has to be meticulously planned and the constant “ will we have enough charge “ etc . “ how far to a charge point “ Then you have the smugness of “ ohh it saves me 1000’s in fuel “ and only costs the price of a tin of baked beans to run for 10 yrs etc .”
It’s being 40 and acting 70 ,hush puppy’s, cardigans , Vera, wearing hats while driving , paying cash , half’s of mild ( how much ?!) . The same can be said for solar panels users too .. give me strength!
Enjoy what time we’ve got left driving proper cars , and it’s not that long .
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:29 pm
by aggi
AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:26 pm
It’s not electric cars I’ve an issue with , it’s the drivers of them .It their whole raison d’etre , every journey has to be meticulously planned and the constant “ will we have enough charge “ etc . “ how far to a charge point “ Then you have the smugness of “ ohh it saves me 1000’s in fuel “ and only costs the price of a tin of baked beans to run for 10 yrs etc .”
It’s being 40 and acting 70 ,hush puppy’s, cardigans , Vera, wearing hats while driving , paying cash , half’s of mild ( how much ?!) . The same can be said for solar panels users too .. give me strength!
Enjoy what time we’ve got left driving proper cars , and it’s not that long .
I dunno, in my experience Tesla drivers are the new Audi drivers.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:45 pm
by dsr
At risk of being political, the problem as I see it is that people who live on terraced streets (or in flats without parking) will have to take a severe hit in lifestyle if they have to run an electric car with current technology as opposed to a petrol car. And people in those circumstances, as an average, tend to be on the poorer end of society which makes affording an electric car a bit of a problem.
There is only 6+ more years to the purported ban on sale of petrol cars. Can the government really assure us that within that time, the infrastructure will have improved to provide plentiful charging points in all streets, or alternatively charging times will have improved to similar figures to petrol tank refills; and the cost of electric vehicles will have reduced to the extent that decent second hand ones are available for just a few thousand?
This is quite apart from the other political problem, and again it seems to apply to both sides' politicians. Political will appears to be that the electricity generation capacity should be cut while demand for electricity should be increased. How is that going to work?
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:16 pm
by IanMcL
Blimey! More tickets available than before! Are there people busily screwing in mini seats?
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:38 pm
by Bosscat
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:42 pm
by Croydon Claret
IanMcL wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:16 pm
Blimey! More tickets available than before! Are there people busily screwing in mini seats?
Holy posted on the wrong thread Batman.
Unless you're converting your Tesla to a mini bus ?
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:44 pm
by Bosscat
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:46 pm
by Bosscat
dsr wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:45 pm
At risk of being political, the problem as I see it is that people who live on terraced streets (or in flats without parking) will have to take a severe hit in lifestyle if they have to run an electric car with current technology as opposed to a petrol car. And people in those circumstances, as an average, tend to be on the poorer end of society which makes affording an electric car a bit of a problem.
There is only 6+ more years to the purported ban on sale of petrol cars. Can the government really assure us that within that time, the infrastructure will have improved to provide plentiful charging points in all streets, or alternatively charging times will have improved to similar figures to petrol tank refills; and the cost of electric vehicles will have reduced to the extent that decent second hand ones are available for just a few thousand?
This is quite apart from the other political problem, and again it seems to apply to both sides' politicians. Political will appears to be that the electricity generation capacity should be cut while demand for electricity should be increased. How is that going to work?
Its only the sale and production of "New" vehicles ... the ICE will be with us for a long time yet
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:47 pm
by Stayingup
dsr wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:45 pm
At risk of being political, the problem as I see it is that people who live on terraced streets (or in flats without parking) will have to take a severe hit in lifestyle if they have to run an electric car with current technology as opposed to a petrol car. And people in those circumstances, as an average, tend to be on the poorer end of society which makes affording an electric car a bit of a problem.
There is only 6+ more years to the purported ban on sale of petrol cars. Can the government really assure us that within that time, the infrastructure will have improved to provide plentiful charging points in all streets, or alternatively charging times will have improved to similar figures to petrol tank refills; and the cost of electric vehicles will have reduced to the extent that decent second hand ones are available for just a few thousand?
This is quite apart from the other political problem, and again it seems to apply to both sides' politicians. Political will appears to be that the electricity generation capacity should be cut while demand for electricity should be increased. How is that going to work?
Quite apart from heat pumps. An eco disaster.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:16 pm
by Caballo
Bosscat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:46 pm
Its only the sale and production of "New" vehicles ... the ICE will be with us for a long time yet
Lots of automakers, particularly the German ones are currently lobbying very hard, to get their respective governments to row back a bit on 2030.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:42 pm
by IanMcL
Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:42 pm
Holy posted on the wrong thread Batman.
Unless you're converting your Tesla to a mini bus ?
Oops!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:44 pm
by tarkys_ears
thomaspaine wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:43 pm
…..You missed saying how much for a full tank of unleaded ?…
No idea. I only fill it up every few weeks.
If I were doing it every day, maybe I'd know?!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:49 pm
by Burnleyareback2
Kind of off/ on topic. Picked a bite car up this week in Amsterdam - the desk said it was a Lync & Co- I just assumed I had misheard.
Amazingly she was right
I had never heard of this brand before, turns out to be a Volvo/ China collaboration.
Hybrid engine and it was absolutely fantastic to drive- no idea on the cost though!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:28 am
by Lowbankclaret
Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:49 pm
Kind of off/ on topic. Picked a bite car up this week in Amsterdam - the desk said it was a Lync & Co- I just assumed I had misheard.
Amazingly she was right
I had never heard of this brand before, turns out to be a Volvo/ China collaboration.
Hybrid engine and it was absolutely fantastic to drive- no idea on the cost though!
Volvo are Chinese owned now.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:38 am
by Burnleyareback2
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:28 am
Volvo are Chinese owned now.
That’s correct
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:46 pm
by Bullabill
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:28 am
Volvo are Chinese owned now.
And they make pretty good bite cars.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:26 am
by Stayingup
I'm feeling very virtuous and holy now I have got me Hybrid. Actually its great. Ah this quest, this headlong rush to net zero. Cows are to be given flatulence blockers so the UK can hit net zero goal. So clever are our politicians. Who else could have thought of this!!!
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:32 am
by Rick_Muller
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:02 am
by Croydon Claret
The above article suggests around a 2p per mile saving when driving an ICE car. That's assuming that you always charge at home. That's a surprisingly low figure.
If their data is accurate then my journey from home to Burnley would save me £5.60, until you factor in the cost of motorway charging, at which point it's then costing more.
The necessity to use motorway service stations to charge on long journeys does sit contrary to ICE drivers avoiding them at all costs due to their exorbitant pricing. Unless you start going off motorway to charge?
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:40 pm
by Bullabill
Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:02 am
The above article suggests around a 2p per mile saving when driving an ICE car.
Internal combustion engined cars are cheaper???
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:47 pm
by Rileybobs
Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:02 am
The above article suggests around a 2p per mile saving when driving an ICE car. That's assuming that you always charge at home. That's a surprisingly low figure.
If their data is accurate then my journey from home to Burnley would save me £5.60, until you factor in the cost of motorway charging, at which point it's then costing more.
The necessity to use motorway service stations to charge on long journeys does sit contrary to ICE drivers avoiding them at all costs due to their exorbitant pricing. Unless you start going off motorway to charge?
The above article assumes home charging is at 34p/kWH, which you’d be silly to pay when you can get access to off-peak tariffs at 10p/kWh. This would take the cost per mile on the example given to just 2p.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:51 pm
by Bosscat
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:47 pm
The above article assumes home charging is at 34p/kWH, which you’d be silly to pay when you can get access to off-peak tariffs at 10p/kWh. This would take the cost per mile on the example given to just 2p.
As you say Riley ... I am charging mine at 9p per kwh on our economy 7 tariff
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:00 pm
by Rileybobs
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:51 pm
As you say Riley ... I am charging mine at 9p per kwh on our economy 7 tariff
I’ve had mine for just over a month and the cost to run is phenomenally low. A trip to and from the football is costing me less than £3 compared to £30 in my previous car.
As discussed at length, EV’s aren’t for everyone as the up front cost, range and access to a charger may be prohibitive. But I don’t like the misinformed articles which compare running costs using public charging or high tariff home charging - because the reality is that if you have an EV you will have a home charger and an EV-friendly tariff.
Whether or not the country will be ready to shift to EV’s by 2030 is a different matter.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:17 pm
by Whitgord
I have a plug in hybrid. At the moment I can’t get my home charging point at less than 32p/KWh. Cheap EV tariffs are unavailable right now.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:36 pm
by Rileybobs
Whitgord wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:17 pm
I have a plug in hybrid. At the moment I can’t get my home charging point at less than 32p/KWh. Cheap EV tariffs are unavailable right now.
Have you tried Intelligent Octopus? I switched to them about 3 weeks ago.
Re: Fully Electric Bikes
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:15 pm
by kilmalley
Any recommendations ?
Re: Fully Electric Bikes
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:25 pm
by Bosscat
I have a Carrera Crossfuse (21" frame) got it from Halfords ... have had it nearly a year and its been great ... the Bosch motor eats up the hills.
Fitted a carrier and mudguards
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:42 pm
by kilmalley
Thank you my man.
A Carrera bike from Halfords is what I’ve been personally researching recently, although there are dozens of other brands on-line. The choice is somewhat overwhelming.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:42 pm
by durhamclaret
dsr wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:45 pm
At risk of being political, the problem as I see it is that people who live on terraced streets (or in flats without parking) will have to take a severe hit in lifestyle if they have to run an electric car with current technology as opposed to a petrol car. And people in those circumstances, as an average, tend to be on the poorer end of society which makes affording an electric car a bit of a problem.
There is only 6+ more years to the purported ban on sale of petrol cars. Can the government really assure us that within that time, the infrastructure will have improved to provide plentiful charging points in all streets, or alternatively charging times will have improved to similar figures to petrol tank refills; and the cost of electric vehicles will have reduced to the extent that decent second hand ones are available for just a few thousand?
This is quite apart from the other political problem, and again it seems to apply to both sides' politicians. Political will appears to be that the electricity generation capacity should be cut while demand for electricity should be increased. How is that going to work?
Also as I’ve posted previously, as well as a problem for those who live on a terrace and flats, any house (and there are quite a lot) that have a looped supply, they are unable to have a home charger without digging up by their meter and quite possibly the drive, and have the fuse upgraded.
What a mess. I’m sticking with a petrol car.
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:51 pm
by Bosscat
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Doctor_Marina wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:42 pm
Thank you my man.
A Carrera bike from Halfords is what I’ve been personally researching recently, although there are dozens of other brands on-line. The choice is somewhat overwhelming.
Heres mine
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:57 pm
by Steve1956
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:51 pm
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Heres mine
I bet you look a right tw@t riding that through Long Plumpton going for your newspapers
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:59 pm
by Bosscat
Steve1956 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:57 pm
I bet you look a right tw@t riding that through Long Plumpton going for your newspapers
I probably would you kn@b if I lived in Long Plumpton
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:02 pm
by Steve1956
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:59 pm
I probably would you kn@b if I lived in Long Plumpton
I know where you live ...Long Plumpton fitted in better with the village idiot on his electric bike lording it
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:03 pm
by Bosscat
Steve1956 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:02 pm
I know where you live ...Long Plumpton fitted in better with the village idiot on his electric bike lording it
You know where I live
are you a stalker like Volvoclaret
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:04 pm
by Steve1956
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:03 pm
You know where I live
are you a stalker like Volvoclaret
Never heard of him is he your boyfriend
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:08 pm
by Bosscat
Steve1956 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:04 pm
Never heard of him is he your boyfriend
Thought she was yours
Re: Fully Electric Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:11 pm
by Steve1956
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:08 pm
Thought she was yours
Only joking Buddy im bored watching the golf and it ain't very interesting yet.
Bet you glide serenely through Long Preston going for your papers..looking motionless.... I don't get electric pushbikes
Unless you're converting your Tesla to a mini bus ? 
are you a stalker like Volvoclaret