No recall for Tarks

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

He must have **** in Southgates bed not to get selected ahead of Dier, Coady or Mings. All of them have been dreadful recently. He’ll call it loyalty.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He must have **** in Southgates bed not to get selected ahead of Dier, Coady or Mings. All of them have been dreadful recently. He’ll call it loyalty.

To be fair, Mings is part of the third best defence in the league. Coady is proven in a back three.

No idea why Dier has been selected.

I can’t imagine anyone really expected Tarks to be selected he must be 5th 6th choice right CB now. Got to think Godfrey, Konsa, Keane all ahead of him in the pecking order and they weren’t even selected.

[BurnleyFC]

Club allegiances aside, I’m really looking forward to the day the buck-toothed idiot gets potted. Some of his squad selections are baffling. He proved he was a complete tit when he to did the Pizza Hut advert post Euro ‘96.

He should be nowhere near that job.

[JohnMac]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

[MT03ALG]

Quelle surprise ??!!

[Murger]

Ollie Watkins has baffled me. What the hell has he done to warrant a call-up? The sooner Southgate is potted the better.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ollie Watkins has baffled me. What the hell has he done to warrant a call-up? The sooner Southgate is potted the better.

Southgate likes his style of play, his runs and of course his goals.
Name a viable alternative?

Southgate was asked about his selections today and from what I heard it was fully understandable, well reasoned /explained.

His comments about the likes of Shaw and Stones were good listening, along with why TTA was left out.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

Wonderful but he didn’t say CB.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Wonderful but he didn’t say CB.

Hasn't Dier been playing CB and prefers it there?

[SalisburyClaret]

Dier is very versatile- he’s absolute rubbish in a variety of CD positions

[Bcrollerz]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

Why doesnt he play him then

[warksclaret]

To be fair, Mings is part of the third best defence in the league. Coady is proven in a back three.

No idea why Dier has been selected.

I can’t imagine anyone really expected Tarks to be selected he must be 5th 6th choice right CB now. Got to think Godfrey, Konsa, Keane all ahead of him in the pecking order and they weren’t even selected.

I agree-the only benefit of Dyer being in there ,he is versatile-which could be useful during a tournament if your centre halves get injured/suspended and you cannot add to the squad. Having said that he is not good enough at CH or CM to be picked. I also agree -if Michael Keane has not been picked the you would not expect Tarks to be. Regarding Konse the Villa CH, he has been outstanding every time I see him. A good reader and defender of the game in a team that shows a very marked improvement over last season, with a good clean sheet record

[CombatClaret]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

Not what my fantast team says

[claretandy]

And yet he has said that Alexander-Arnold has been dropped because of poor form, Pickford never gets dropped because of poor form.

[Chester Perry]

And yet he has said that Alexander-Arnold has been dropped because of poor form, Pickford never gets dropped because of poor form.

TAA needs a rest, a young player that has probably been over played in the last few seasons, it will do him good

[SalisburyClaret]

Despite Southgate, we should be ok against San Marino

[daveisaclaret]

Baffling to see Watkins picked with the likes of Wood and Vydra waiting in the wings.

[jojomk1]

And Nick Pope 3rd choice for GK !

[IanMcL]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

I suspect that was to boost his confidence. Sir Alex Fergus once said that about Phil Neville.

Neither manager played those players regularly.

[jojomk1]

Regarding JT, he is having another good season with us but the likes of Maguire, Mings, Keane, Konsa and Stones have performed as well if not better (certainly not Dier and would question Coady)

It's the old adage that usually people keep the shirt unless the team loses and that also goes for "squad" players

Not sure if Southgate was at Everton on Sat but, even in a good win, JT lost position with Calvert Lewin when he scored and those things matter

[IanMcL]

Tarkowski is not considered the best by Mr Southgate. He could play for Real Madrid and still not be chosen. He did not come through those agree groups, on his road to excellent footballer, so does normt qualify.

Henderson will be in, as soon as seemly, as he has come through.

The man is an idiot. Got some rave reviews for playing some kids and thinks that is the recipe for ever more.

Winning teams are all toughened pros, not wannabees.

[corporal jones]

Dont care about BFC players going off with England-let them have a rest and get fit. Playing for the national team will only hasten their departure.

[IanMcL]

Blimey Watkins in as a striker! Well short at this stage of his career.
No Keane at CB. He has been playing really well.
Phillips from Leeds must be a misprint!
Lingaard...half a dozen games and he is a superstar for Southgate! Bellingham for Borussia Dortmund know nothing about him.

[Sarum]

Baffling to see Watkins picked with the likes of Wood and Vydra waiting in the wings.

Not really baffling: they'd made themselves unavailable and so Southgate has had to make do with the dregs.

[ClaretTony]

Tarkowski is not considered the best by Mr Southgate. He could play for Real Madrid and still not be chosen.

Don’t think that’s the case. I think Southgate does rate him but is selecting defenders whose clubs play the way he wants to play.

[boatshed bill]

Don’t think that’s the case. I think Southgate does rate him but is selecting defenders whose clubs play the way he wants to play.

Didn't seem to matter a couple of seasons ago, though.

[beddie]

Jose said Dier is one of the most complete footballers he has at Tottenham, a first name on the sheet type.

In the few games I've seen him play all I can say is that his surname says everything. Typical Jose bullshit. Michael Keane is head and shoulders above him imo.

[Burnley1989]

He proved he was a complete tit when he to did the Pizza Hut advert post Euro ‘96.

[Woodleyclaret]

Tarks needs to consider carefully his future at Burnley as moving is not guaranteeing him an England call up with Muppet Southgate in charge

[ClaretTony]

Didn't seem to matter a couple of seasons ago, though.

Had a look at him which you would expect but wasn’t in a squad at all last season when he was in outstanding form. I’d be very surprised if he got in again while he’s a Burnley player.

[pushpinpussy]

well done GS. a good squad you have chosen. maybe a few biased posters on here. looking forward to the games

[claretandy]

Had a look at him which you would expect but wasn’t in a squad at all last season when he was in outstanding form. I’d be very surprised if he got in again while he’s a Burnley player.

At Tarkys age i wonder if Waistcoat would pick him anyway if he left in the summer for a West Ham or a Leicester.

[ClaretTony]

At Tarkys age i wonder if Waistcoat would pick him anyway if he left in the summer for a West Ham or a Leicester.

It would be interesting to see if he would.

[Steve1956]

I think we should move on discussing Tarks for England under Southtgate....be interesting if Tarks moves in the summer and then Southgate picks him I can see that happening it's not Tarks....it the simple reason he plays for us.

[dermotdermot]

Southgate likes his style of play, his runs and of course his goals.
Name a viable alternative?

Southgate was asked about his selections today and from what I heard it was fully understandable, well reasoned /explained.

His comments about the likes of Shaw and Stones were good listening, along with why TTA was left out.

If you must use abbreviated initials will make sure that you get them right. It took me ages to fathom out who TTA was. It should have been TAA.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t understand the posters saying Tarks should be selected. He is absolutely imperious in a team with there backs against the wall but any time we get stretched by fairly decent teams we usually get dispatched fairly easy.

Tarks and Mee will never feature for England whilst at Burnley because they are not proven in an open playing style it really is as simple as that.

[tiger76]

Ah! well at least Tarks can put his feet up for a few weeks, all the better for us.

As for the rest of the squad I'm surprised Chilwell and Trippier make the cut, neither have played much footy recently.

And Bamford is unlucky to miss out to Watkins.

No great surprise Johnstone has been rewarded for his excellent season.

Kyle Walker again come on Gareth he's past his best, and his best was never that good to start with.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Not sure if Southgate was at Everton on Sat but, even in a good win, JT lost position with Calvert Lewin when he scored and those things matter

Tarks and Mee were perfectly positioned and DC-L was offside. Unfortunately Matt Lowton, the back post man, decided to drop two yards behind the line and played him on.

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[MDWat]

Pieters is quite obviously playing him on in that still and the angle looks a bit deceiving, not sure whether he’s actually level (by letter of the law anyway!) with Mee

[joey13]

Had a look at him which you would expect but wasn’t in a squad at all last season when he was in outstanding form. I’d be very surprised if he got in again while he’s a Burnley player.

I’d be very surprised he got in whoever he plays for , didn’t impress when selected

[IanMcL]

Don’t think that’s the case. I think Southgate does rate him but is selecting defenders whose clubs play the way he wants to play.

You mean he defends?

[boatshed bill]

Pieters is quite obviously playing him on in that still and the angle looks a bit deceiving, not sure whether he’s actually level (by letter of the law anyway!) with Mee

It's Lowton, not Pieters.
But in the last few games Tarks has lost his man on occasions. Could be to do with us playing a more expansive game.

[Wile E Coyote]

southgate is clueless, tarkowski could easily fit in, but inevitably they look elsewhere.
same with pickford /pope, basically all over the pitch. they disregard talent in favour of players from so called big clubs every ******* tournament, and every time we fall short. Boll**** to England, I wish nothing but more failure on this archaic system of selecting squads.we employ amateurs. I said yesterday that I listened to andros townsend saying that the only way southgate would go with pope over pickford was if pickfords form dropped, or pope suddenly improved his. oh...and southgate prefers pickford because he can handle the criticism when he has a bad game...if that is the criteria for selecting your national goalkeeper, we are doomed.

[Suratclaret]

Have to admit I sometimes find Southgate's selection puzzling to say the least but nothing changes really. Even when Burnley were a top team in the old first division, players rarely got selected...Angus, Miller and Pointer only got a handful of caps between them and certainly Angus was a top top full back.

[joey13]

southgate is clueless, tarkowski could easily fit in, but inevitably they look elsewhere.
same with pickford /pope, basically all over the pitch. they disregard talent in favour of players from so called big clubs every ******* tournament, and every time we fall short. Boll**** to England, I wish nothing but more failure on this archaic system of selecting squads.we employ amateurs. I said yesterday that I listened to andros townsend saying that the only way southgate would go with pope over pickford was if pickfords form dropped, or pope suddenly improved his. oh...and southgate prefers pickford because he can handle the criticism when he has a bad game...if that is the criteria for selecting your national goalkeeper, we are doomed.

Has Pickford had a bad game for England ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Don’t think that’s the case. I think Southgate does rate him but is selecting defenders whose clubs play the way he wants to play.

He should probably pick as many Spurs players as possible then, they too get to business end of competitions and then blow it.


Being serious though, I think there is truth in that, which is the biggest worry of it all. You basically have a football coach who has been given the top job in coaching in this country and he doesn't back himself to be able to coach a player unless it is all done for him at club level.

[Newcastleclaret93]

southgate is clueless, tarkowski could easily fit in, but inevitably they look elsewhere.
same with pickford /pope, basically all over the pitch. they disregard talent in favour of players from so called big clubs every ******* tournament, and every time we fall short. Boll**** to England, I wish nothing but more failure on this archaic system of selecting squads.we employ amateurs. I said yesterday that I listened to andros townsend saying that the only way southgate would go with pope over pickford was if pickfords form dropped, or pope suddenly improved his. oh...and southgate prefers pickford because he can handle the criticism when he has a bad game...if that is the criteria for selecting your national goalkeeper, we are doomed.

I understand your frustration, there are certainly some players over looked. The biggest example recently being Grealish. But I just don’t think you are right, there is a reason no decent club has come in for Tarks or Pope. Burnley play to there strengths. In an England set up they would be like a fish out of water. Pope could probably make the step up but his distribution would have to dramatically improve. as a result of his current distribution levels I understand why Pickford is preferred, I would actually suspect Henderson to start ahead of Pope these days.

It is frustrating to see good players over looked but you have to look at the tactics England play in comparison to ourselves. Think about it logically, why would Southgate risk picking players like Tarks, Pope in a starting line up when he can just pick players that have similar if not better quality and are familiar with the tactics week in week out

[jojomk1]

Southgate picked JT when he was playing for Burnley so it didn't seem to matter then how the team played in general
He has been given some international game time in the past and, clearly, Southgate just does not fancy him as part of a central three (which seems to be his preferred set up)
The idea of him not being picked purely because he plays for us (and our style of play) is a bit ridiculous.
Maguire plays in a flat back four at Man Utd, Mings does at Villa, Dier does at Spurs, Keane does at Everton
And if JT went to say Leicester they play also with a flat back four
It's just about being able to adapt to a slightly different positional role where you are not just sitting at the centre of the defense
JT can get caught out of position a few times (as can others, but maybe just more than them for Southgates liking)
The fact that we play so many more long balls from the back does not detract from his individual skill set
It's just seen as not good enough by Southgate and, Dier apart, I can't see any argument that the latest squad plus Keane and Konsa have the edge on him at the moment
The argument that JT may get more exposure to european competition is also a bit of a whim considering teams like Villa and Everton haven't experienced that level
Moving away from Burnley will not suddenly change his England prospects

[elwaclaret]

The only reason I like seeing Burnley players picked for internationals is for the player themselves. National recognition. Otherwise I can rarely be bothered to watch international football and would rather our players got the time off.

However, I think Tarks is miles away from Southgates thinking.... rightly or wrongly, and I don’t think there is much chance of that changing if he stays with us or moves on.

I do not rate Southgate one bit, but he’s obviously media friendly which is why he got promoted to coach in the first place on the back of some great kids coming through the ranks at just the right time for him to mop up any credit...