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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:54 pm

Project dampen expectations has begun.

Dyche expecting reinforcements but not radical changes are the latest quotes

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:02 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:54 pm
Project dampen expectations has begun.

Dyche expecting reinforcements but not radical changes are the latest quotes

:D

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Post by dibraidio » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:54 pm
Project dampen expectations has begun.

Dyche expecting reinforcements but not radical changes are the latest quotes
Is this really a surprise? We have a competent Premier League squad. He's happy with our goalkeepers, fullbacks, central midfield and strikers. He needs an extra centre back if Tarkowski leaves and we need better winger options but that's about it.
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:04 pm

dibraidio wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:03 pm
Is this really a surprise? We have a competent Premier League squad. He's happy with our goalkeepers, fullbacks, central midfield and strikers. He needs an extra centre back if Tarkowski leaves and we need better winger options but that's about it.

Some got themselves all giddy when the takeover began and were expecting a sugar daddy style approach to our transfers rather than being run like a business. They have struggled ever since

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Post by MACCA » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:54 pm
Project dampen expectations has begun.

Dyche expecting reinforcements but not radical changes are the latest quotes
Im glad of that, we dont need radical changes.
A couple of genuine first team players is all we need, as long as none other than Tarky depart.

Then it's about having one eye on 12 months time, so 2 or 3 young ish squad players, that get bits of action but are mainly being primed for starting week in week out the season after.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:27 pm

I was fully expecting at least 5 signings this summer.

We need 2 CBs, 2 wingers, 1 CM as an absolute minimum.

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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:39 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:04 pm
Some got themselves all giddy when the takeover began and were expecting a sugar daddy style approach to our transfers rather than being run like a business. They have struggled ever since
My thoughts as well. Maybe not expecting massive investment but if we are still scraping the barrel for transfer funds then what was the point of the takeover?

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Post by TopCat » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:54 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:39 pm
My thoughts as well. Maybe not expecting massive investment but if we are still scraping the barrel for transfer funds then what was the point of the takeover?
Because the new owners will make a huge profit when they sell.

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Post by superdimitri » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm

I'm certainly not confident we'll do it but it we use this season as a baseline and think we only need to make one or two signings then we may not be as lucky next time round.

We've been absolutely woeful at times this year and so far have (just) got away with it. Setting myself up for disappointment perhaps but it's clear we don't have a big enough squad, we need another 4 players... At least.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:01 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:00 pm
I'm certainly not confident we'll do it but it we use this season as a baseline and think we only need to make one or two signings then we may not be as lucky next time round.

We've been absolutely woeful at times this year and so far have (just) got away with it. Setting myself up for disappointment perhaps but it's clear we don't have a big enough squad, we need another 4 players... At least.
Have we space for 4 new players given only Brady is out of contract?

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Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:17 pm

Gibson will need replacing and Lennon still hasnt been replaced, and if any or all of Tarkowski/McNeiil and Pope go, they will need replacing too.

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Post by superdimitri » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:01 pm
Have we space for 4 new players given only Brady is out of contract?
Definitely. And if Tarkowski is certain to go we could need another.

Last season we had Gibson, Hart, Hendrick and Lennon on the books. There's no doubt we need more squad depth if we are to stay out of trouble, and probably need some signings to improve the starting 11.

We're about 6 players short of the number we had in our 17-18 and 18-19 season.

We've seen this season how much injuries can put us in trouble, and the squad isn't going to get any better at resisting them getting older.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:15 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:02 pm
Definitely. And if Tarkowski is certain to go we could need another.

Last season we had Gibson, Hart, Hendrick and Lennon on the books. There's no doubt we need more squad depth if we are to stay out of trouble, and probably need some signings to improve the starting 11.

We're about 6 players short of the number we had in our 17-18 and 18-19 season.

We've seen this season how much injuries can put us in trouble, and the squad isn't going to get any better at resisting them getting older.
We've added two in terms of numbers to the four your refer to with Norris and Stephens added to the squad. We've still got 21 players out of the maximum of 25 permitted.

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Post by jojomk1 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:32 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:44 pm
I’d take Townsend to replace Brady,

I'd take you to replace Brady

Whoever you are ;)

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Post by superdimitri » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:15 pm
We've added two in terms of numbers to the four your refer to with Norris and Stephens added to the squad. We've still got 21 players out of the maximum of 25 permitted.
Yes, so we are 4 short of registering a full squad without any outgoings which is what we need to aim for, and what are competitors will have over us if we don't make signings. Depending on departures and age if in-comings, that could be as much as 6 new bodies needed.

As we've seen, its been costly having a squad size of 21 and our reluctance to improve squad depth and quality has meant we've struggled at times this season. If we enter next season with 21 again, we may not be so lucky.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:47 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:32 pm
Yes, so we are 4 short of registering a full squad without any outgoings which is what we need to aim for, and what are competitors will have over us if we don't make signings. Depending on departures and age if in-comings, that could be as much as 6 new bodies needed.

As we've seen, its been costly having a squad size of 21 and our reluctance to improve squad depth and quality has meant we've struggled at times this season. If we enter next season with 21 again, we may not be so lucky.
I think we all know that the problems between Dyche & Garlick has hampered recruitment. Dyche constantly said we needed new players last summer, didn't get them and then suffered the worst season on record in terms of injuries although I think most clubs have. That problem was worse for us because of the lack of recruitment last summer. I think with a full, proper, pre-season this time we won't suffer the same injuries but we do need a good window, that's for sure.
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Post by KRBFC » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:08 pm

Not good enough, no thanks

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Post by superdimitri » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:47 pm
I think we all know that the problems between Dyche & Garlick has hampered recruitment. Dyche constantly said we needed new players last summer, didn't get them and then suffered the worst season on record in terms of injuries although I think most clubs have. That problem was worse for us because of the lack of recruitment last summer. I think with a full, proper, pre-season this time we won't suffer the same injuries but we do need a good window, that's for sure.
I agree Tony. What I'm afraid of is the club using this season as a baseline and thinking along the lines of 'if we did it with this squad, then we don't need that much recruitment' - When in fact its been a long time coming that we need to have a good window.

So despite needing a few players in that's why I'm not keeping my hopes up, I feel we'll be bare-bones again, but with some luck if we do make only 1 or 2 signings they will be players who improve our first 11 and are injury resistant.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:48 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:20 pm
I agree Tony. What I'm afraid of is the club using this season as a baseline and thinking along the lines of 'if we did it with this squad, then we don't need that much recruitment' - When in fact its been a long time coming that we need to have a good window.

So despite needing a few players in that's why I'm not keeping my hopes up, I feel we'll be bare-bones again, but with some luck if we do make only 1 or 2 signings they will be players who improve our first 11 and are injury resistant.
We can never guarantee a good window but I believe there’s a real determination to move us forward.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:48 pm
We can never guarantee a good window but I believe there’s a real determination to move us forward.
Tony have you heard anything from inside the club to suggest we could have a good window or that there is money to spend?

As a few others have mentioned I also feel like we haven’t benefited from the takeover at all. Do you have any info at all to ease these concerns.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:09 pm

Connor Townsend would be a decent shout but not Dross Townsend the 5 min trier from Palace

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:21 pm

Keep it to linked with..., guys, please.
There are other threads for the clubs transfer policy debates.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:57 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:05 pm
Tony have you heard anything from inside the club to suggest we could have a good window or that there is money to spend?

As a few others have mentioned I also feel like we haven’t benefited from the takeover at all. Do you have any info at all to ease these concerns.
I’m not sure how you think we might have benefited from the takeover. We weren’t able to bring anyone in during the most difficult window ever. We made offers but I’m not certain the manager was too fussed on bringing anyone in.

The new owners will be judged over a period of time through all aspects of the club. I would think their main tasks will be generating the money commercially that will then help support the transfer Windows.
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Post by Local cricketer » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:13 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:27 pm
I was fully expecting at least 5 signings this summer.

We need 2 CBs, 2 wingers, 1 CM as an absolute minimum.
I will have some off what you are sniffing

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:57 pm
I’m not sure how you think we might have benefited from the takeover. We weren’t able to bring anyone in during the most difficult window ever. We made offers but I’m not certain the manager was too fussed on bringing anyone in.

The new owners will be judged over a period of time through all aspects of the club. I would think their main tasks will be generating the money commercially that will then help support the transfer Windows.
I think the majority of fans expected a takeover to put us in a better position to be able to compete.

At the moment it looks like all we have got from this takeover is debt? Have you heard anything from inside the club to the contrary?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:58 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:13 pm
I will have some off what you are sniffing
Not really sure why them suggestions are so out there.

After this season we will be left with Mee and Long at CB. Therefore need 2 back up CBs as a minimum (hopefully 1 first team CB)

We will also be left with 2 wide players in McNeil and Gudmundsson. So we need to wide players as backup.

CM in my opinion is critical this summer, we have 3 CMs that are deemed good enough. They are ok options but if we are to compete we need to improve on our ageing options.

Therefore a total of 5 players as an absolute minimum required.
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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:53 pm
I think the majority of fans expected a takeover to put us in a better position to be able to compete.

At the moment it looks like all we have got from this takeover is debt? Have you heard anything from inside the club to the contrary?
Stop looking in the one direction you find negative, stop making quick judgements and give the new ownership time. How do you know they aren't putting us in a better position to compete. It takes time.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:05 pm
Stop looking in the one direction you find negative, stop making quick judgements and give the new ownership time. How do you know they aren't putting us in a better position to compete. It takes time.
I don’t know Tony, that’s why I was asking if you have heard anything to ease the concerns.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:39 pm
My thoughts as well. Maybe not expecting massive investment but if we are still scraping the barrel for transfer funds then what was the point of the takeover?
What was the point of the takeover? Simple answer, the majority shareholder wanted to sell.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:08 pm
I don’t know Tony, that’s why I was asking if you have heard anything to ease the concerns.
I don't understand why you have got concerns. Because new owners have come in and not spent a fortune in a window that was opening immediately they took over, a window that proved very difficult for virtually every other club, you seemed to have got a downer on them. Give them chance, if they fail and make a mess then I'll join you in being critical but there is absolutely nothing as yet to be able to form an opinion on them other than they've got rid of Neil Hart which is bonus points as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:14 pm
I don't understand why you have got concerns. Because new owners have come in and not spent a fortune in a window that was opening immediately they took over, a window that proved very difficult for virtually every other club, you seemed to have got a downer on them. Give them chance, if they fail and make a mess then I'll join you in being critical but there is absolutely nothing as yet to be able to form an opinion on them other than they've got rid of Neil Hart which is bonus points as far as I'm concerned.
Totally agree absolutely nothing yet to judge them on. Not sure why some seem to constantly worry about something out of their control. What will be will be!

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Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:35 pm

Worrying about something outwith your control is the very definition of being a football fan.
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Post by Conroy92 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:42 pm

Not sure why posters worry about other people's worries. Always found that odd.

After the new board suggested there was incomings in January and then it didn't quite happen, maybe that has made people to have concerns/doubts. Coupled with our own last few transfer windows I can imagine why people have questions.

Also suggested further above that posters were expecting a sugar daddy type to sign £££ players. I don't think anyone expected that, just hoped we'd find a board that might invest a little more in the playing side. I still believe had Garlick signed one or two players and kept 40-50m at bank rather than 70-80m we'd be in a different position and people would be looking at him in a different light.

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Post by kentonclaret » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:50 pm

There were numerous posts on this message board, and stories in the Daily Press also, expressing an eagerness for the takeover to be completed before the 1st January so that funds would be available for that window. Otherwise, why all the excitement for the takeover to be completed by 1st January if not to provide funds for that window?

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:50 pm
There were numerous posts on this message board, and stories in the Daily Press also, expressing an eagerness for the takeover to be completed before the 1st January so that funds would be available for that window. Otherwise, why all the excitement for the takeover to be completed by 1st January if not to provide funds for that window?
There were funds available. The manager maybe thought it best to keep those funds until the summer when it is a much better window to trade in.
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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:16 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:50 pm
There were numerous posts on this message board, and stories in the Daily Press also, expressing an eagerness for the takeover to be completed before the 1st January so that funds would be available for that window. Otherwise, why all the excitement for the takeover to be completed by 1st January if not to provide funds for that window?
Generally plastics expecting is to spend £100mn

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Post by Conroy92 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:29 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:16 pm
Generally plastics expecting is to spend £100mn
I'd like to see evidence of someone expecting us to spend 100m in January. I've searched and I'm struggling.

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Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:09 pm
What was the point of the takeover? Simple answer, the majority shareholder wanted to sell.
A great return too

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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat May 01, 2021 1:29 am

Conroy92 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:29 pm
I'd like to see evidence of someone expecting us to spend 100m in January. I've searched and I'm struggling.
Selected fans were wetting themselves to change the ownership and then about the transfer Window in January.

Let’s not pretend Bergerac

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat May 01, 2021 4:14 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:58 pm
Not really sure why them suggestions are so out there.

After this season we will be left with Mee and Long at CB. Therefore need 2 back up CBs as a minimum (hopefully 1 first team CB)

We will also be left with 2 wide players in McNeil and Gudmundsson. So we need to wide players as backup.

CM in my opinion is critical this summer, we have 3 CMs that are deemed good enough. They are ok options but if we are to compete we need to improve on our ageing options.

Therefore a total of 5 players as an absolute minimum required.
Problem with this is unless they know they are much better than the current XI no ones going to come. Quality players wont come just to pad out the squad unless they’re on the downturn in age (and then everyone moans because of age anyway). Everyone knows Dyche doesn’t rotate. So basically you’re saying sign 5 players that will dislodge 5 first teamers (team spirit destroyed) or 5 players that will end up like Gibson (not playing, unhappy, moaning) but times FIVE

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Post by Conroy92 » Sat May 01, 2021 8:02 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 1:29 am
Selected fans were wetting themselves to change the ownership and then about the transfer Window in January.

Let’s not pretend Bergerac
Ahh so there isn't any. No problem.

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Post by kentonclaret » Sat May 01, 2021 8:36 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:16 pm
Generally plastics expecting is to spend £100mn
I never saw the figure of £100 million nor anything approaching it reported in the media or on this message board, Neither is that figure quoted in my post.

But if gross exaggerations helps you make a point Hey Ho. :P

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun May 02, 2021 9:06 am

Aaron Ramsdale. Has a thread of its own.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun May 02, 2021 9:41 am

People, including myself were desperate for the takeover to be completed prior to the January window because it was obvious our previous board wasn’t prepared to spend to make signings and this represented our best chance. The fact we didn’t And SD was okay with it was good enough for me but to try to suggest that people wanted 100m splashing on players and even using the Jan window as a stick to beat the new owners with is incredible. Anyone with half a brain knows they deserve a chance and will wait to judge them over a longer period of time. If we get to the start of the new season still scratching around for new signings, my concern will grow, and even more so after the next window, and the next and so on, just like the previous board. Hopefully the new board won’t take it to such extremes whereby both fans and management grew incredibly frustrated.
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Post by MRG » Sun May 02, 2021 10:15 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:15 pm
We've added two in terms of numbers to the four your refer to with Norris and Stephens added to the squad.
If that is how we are looking at it, the first thing that Pace needs to be addressing is the recruitment team and cutting Dyche out of the recruitment process if he has signed off on this. To weaken the squad that is already lacking in quality when compared to our peers and not consider bringing the average age down is nothing short of concerning.

Fortunately, I believe you are incorrect and there will be extensive recruitment this transfer window

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Re: Linked with..

Post by Longsider » Sun May 02, 2021 11:58 am

Nabil Bentaleb from Schalke 04 linked.

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Re: Linked with..

Post by ClaretMov » Sun May 02, 2021 12:21 pm

Sorry to rain on this parade but this transfer window will go like all the others

Linked with loads sign non of them

Need 5 or 6 player's but will bring in 1 or 2 max, these will be player's no other club's are interested in and will be last minute so no time to bed in and will be bench warmers all season and will not improve the starting 11

Despite millions coming in from player sales and bonus money from the teams coming up from the championship the players we do bring in will be free or very very cheap

Just being real, sorry to the ones that think it will be any different this time around

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Re: Linked with..

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun May 02, 2021 1:29 pm

Was Harry Wilson a target that Dyche didn’t want or did we not stump up enough to do the deal? I can’t quite remember, if it’s the latter then I can see him being a target once again.

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Re: Linked with..

Post by Winstonswhite » Sun May 02, 2021 1:31 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 1:29 pm
Was Harry Wilson a target that Dyche didn’t want or did we not stump up enough to do the deal? I can’t quite remember, if it’s the latter then I can see him being a target once again.
Dyche didn’t want him. He preferred players with Premier league experience.

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Re: Linked with..

Post by dibraidio » Sun May 02, 2021 1:54 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 1:31 pm
Dyche didn’t want him. He preferred players with Premier league experience.
Harry Wilson played 31 times for Bournemouth in the Premier League. Strange that he'd want an experienced Premier League winger but he's not as concerned when it comes to recruiting defenders if the rumours are true. I'd much rather have a promising young winger and an experienced defender than the other way round.

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