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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:23 pm
Well, you could see it differently.
Dunne and Gibson out for fees and Collins in for a bit more than we've recouped, so the squad is actually smaller.
You could, but let's be honest Dunne was a bit-part player, and he only got a couple of appearances in the last few games as we were already safe, and injuries were taking their toil. as for Gibson he's not kicked a ball in anger at Burnley for about 18 months if not longer, so he can hardly be considered as a squad member really, and it made sense for us to recoup any decent amount we could for his services.

I don't disagree that the squad is thinner, Brady has also been released, so you'd hope with the transfer fees received, and the wages saved we'd have at least some wriggle room in the market to get a couple of additional signings, besides Collins and Hennessey as useful as they may both prove to be next season.

A pacy right winger has to be at the top of our shopping list as a priority signing, and possibly another centre mid, and maybe a striker if we want to upgrade on Barnes probably, he's the one who's likely to be 4th choice when everyone is fit, so if he could get a move to the Championship and regular action that might be suitable for all parties.

The business we've conducted thus far I'm happy with, but we do need to strengthen in key areas if we're to avoid another season of struggle.

As many posters correctly state we finished 17th last season, and it was only the haplessness of the bottom 3 that ensured we enjoyed a relatively calm finale to the campaign, we can't continue to rely on other teams being so clueless every season, and we need to act in this window to start rectifying our deficiencies, otherwise we risk falling back to the Championship, which with our wage bill and debt we can ill afford to do.

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Post by NewClaret » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:08 pm
Nixon
I’m just not buying the Albrighton and Cornet rumours for whatever reason. Besides, Cornet doesn’t want to come here according to reports.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:46 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:37 pm
You could, but let's be honest Dunne was a bit-part player, and he only got a couple of appearances in the last few games as we were already safe, and injuries were taking their toil. as for Gibson he's not kicked a ball in anger at Burnley for about 18 months if not longer, so he can hardly be considered as a squad member really, and it made sense for us to recoup any decent amount we could for his services.

I don't disagree that the squad is thinner, Brady has also been released, so you'd hope with the transfer fees received, and the wages saved we'd have at least some wriggle room in the market to get a couple of additional signings, besides Collins and Hennessey as useful as they may both prove to be next season.

A pacy right winger has to be at the top of our shopping list as a priority signing, and possibly another centre mid, and maybe a striker if we want to upgrade on Barnes probably, he's the one who's likely to be 4th choice when everyone is fit, so if he could get a move to the Championship and regular action that might be suitable for all parties.

The business we've conducted thus far I'm happy with, but we do need to strengthen in key areas if we're to avoid another season of struggle.

As many posters correctly state we finished 17th last season, and it was only the haplessness of the bottom 3 that ensured we enjoyed a relatively calm finale to the campaign, we can't continue to rely on other teams being so clueless every season, and we need to act in this window to start rectifying our deficiencies, otherwise we risk falling back to the Championship, which with our wage bill and debt we can ill afford to do.

I don't disagree, and I'd omitted Hennessey.
What I was really commenting on is that there is no evidence (as yet) to suggest that the new regime will bring players in at realistic PL player prices, so favourable comparisons to MG are a little premature.
We will have to wait and see.......

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:48 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:44 pm
I’m just not buying the Albrighton and Cornet rumours for whatever reason. Besides, Cornet doesn’t want to come here according to reports.
same here, but at least we are looking and have some sort of backing to sign someone

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Post by TsarBomba » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:49 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:15 pm
So nothing has changed then.
I’d say a heck of a lot has changed.

We’ve signed a player early in the window.

We’ve been linked with lots of players. Yes, they are only links, but the noises all point to us being a lot more dynamic in the market.

We’re trying to strengthen in the right areas, and our ‘serious’ links have been largely wingers, which is exactly what we need.

Can we all just give it a rest for a bit, and chill the **** out.

Nobody has any money. There’s no domino effect. And we have a new regime that is clearly trying to strengthen the squad.
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Post by BOYSIE31 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:54 pm

Same old story new owners new chairman but same manager = same windows
So who is it down too ???
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Post by MACCA » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:57 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:54 pm
Same old story new owners new chairman but same manager = same windows
So who is it down too ???
Same person who our continued relatively easy survival in this league is down to
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:57 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:54 pm
Same old story new owners new chairman but same manager = same windows
So who is it down too ???
Pipe down, window hasn't closed yet.
The window is already different with Collins being signed so early on.
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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:00 pm

Fabrizio Romano says in the next few weeks he thinks the market will change and prices will come down for most clubs as many simply have to sell in the current climate - he's one guy who should know

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:11 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:57 pm
Pipe down, window hasn't closed yet.
The window is already different with Collins being signed so early on.
But Collins isn’t a starting eleven player, so for me we haven’t done any business yet. Before this window opened the general consensus on this board was we needed a minimum of 3 first team quality players. There is five weeks left in the window and only 3 weeks until our opening game.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:22 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:11 pm
But Collins isn’t a starting eleven player, so for me we haven’t done any business yet. Before this window opened the general consensus on this board was we needed a minimum of 3 first team quality players. There is five weeks left in the window and only 3 weeks until our opening game.
Window hasn't closed yet, if Tarks leaves in the next 5 weeks Collins is starting.
We've done business, just not what you're demanding.
It isn't enough yet, we need wingers, but we've started and started earlier than I can recall.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:26 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:22 pm
Window hasn't closed yet, if Tarks leaves in the next 5 weeks Collins is starting.
We've done business, just not what you're demanding.
It isn't enough yet, we need wingers, but we've started and started earlier than I can recall.
I understand that view but if Tarks leaves we are in a considerably worst position.
We have done business but let’s be honest we are going into the season no better than we ended the last.

Let’s hope you are right and we address these areas, we are leaving it very late.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:41 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:26 pm
I understand that view but if Tarks leaves we are in a considerably worst position.
We have done business but let’s be honest we are going into the season no better than we ended the last.

Let’s hope you are right and we address these areas, we are leaving it very late.
We
Have
5
Weeks
Left
Of
The
Window

We haven't left anything late yet, we have been linked with several wingers, we were very very close to getting Young signed until Villa rocked up.
We are being active in trying to get players in.

I would say lighten up, but you won't :lol:

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:41 pm
We
Have
5
Weeks
Left
Of
The
Window

We haven't left anything late yet, we have been linked with several wingers, we were very very close to getting Young signed until Villa rocked up.
We are being active in trying to get players in.

I would say lighten up, but you won't :lol:
Let’s hope we get the 3-5 signings we require in the next 5 weeks then.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:11 pm
But Collins isn’t a starting eleven player, so for me we haven’t done any business yet. Before this window opened the general consensus on this board was we needed a minimum of 3 first team quality players. There is five weeks left in the window and only 3 weeks until our opening game.
Is our current first eleven not good enough?

BTW, don't use the argument we finished the season poorly, as we have done the same in every previous season once we are safe. Our form will drop off a cliff when we have little to play for.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:03 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm
Is our current first eleven not good enough?

BTW, don't use the argument we finished the season poorly, as we have done the same in every previous season once we are safe. Our form will drop off a cliff when we have little to play for.
I think our starting eleven is bottom 4 in the league, we just need to win our mini league of 4 to stay up.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:48 pm
Let’s hope we get the 3-5 signings we require in the next 5 weeks then.
5?

2 wingers, maybe a CM.

Unless we sell one of our 4 strikers I can't see us signing another.

3 is enough for this season unless we sell first.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:06 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:49 pm
Is our current first eleven not good enough?

BTW, don't use the argument we finished the season poorly, as we have done the same in every previous season once we are safe. Our form will drop off a cliff when we have little to play for.
Why doesnt every other club do this when they reach 38/40 points ? Is it club policy to throw away £10/£15m per season that extra 3 or 4 places could be worth ? I am being facetious of couse but I cannot get my head round this " little to play for " argument. We, of all clubs, cannot afford to down tools once we're mathematically safe.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:08 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:06 pm
Why doesnt every other club do this when they reach 38/40 points ? Is it club policy to throw away £10/£15m per season that extra 3 or 4 places could be worth ? I am being facetious of couse but I cannot get my head round this " little to play for " argument. We, of all clubs, cannot afford to down tools once we're mathematically safe.
I think last season they were just knackered and once they knew that we were safe they let up.
Tbh it was a mental season, so many games in a short time for the second half of the season so I understand

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:09 pm

https://twitter.com/raisbeck10/status/1 ... 96005?s=19

This is amusing from Bruce at Newcastle

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:12 pm

Probably accidentally reading off Dyche's script
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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:08 pm
I think last season they were just knackered and once they knew that we were safe they let up.
Tbh it was a mental season, so many games in a short time for the second half of the season so I understand
Same for all the PL, except some try to win various cup matches.... and some managers do a bit of squad rotation.
My personal opinion is that we have accepted a very low bar in terms of expected final league position.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:14 pm
Same for all the PL, except some try to win various cup matches.... and some managers do a bit of squad rotation.
My personal opinion is that we have accepted a very low bar in terms of expected final league position.
Not really, the club just makes sure 17th is the bare minimum, I'd like to see us finish mid table more often, but going off recent years we are due a mid table finish this time round.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:19 pm
Not really, the club just makes sure 17th is the bare minimum, I'd like to see us finish mid table more often, but going off recent years we are due a mid table finish this time round.
I sincerely hope you are right.

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Post by CFS » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:02 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:00 pm
Fabrizio Romano says in the next few weeks he thinks the market will change and prices will come down for most clubs as many simply have to sell in the current climate - he's one guy who should know
He's ITK with top clubs what will he know about bottom of the championship and the goings-on there.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:06 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:29 pm
Going for £10m apparently, and he was a target of our former chairman not the manager. If he is going for £10m then it makes Cornet at £11-£13m seem cheap in my opinion
Liverpool have sold 3 players this week for around £27m who have barely a handful of Liverpool League games between them

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Post by NewClaret » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:10 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:09 pm
https://twitter.com/raisbeck10/status/1 ... 96005?s=19

This is amusing from Bruce at Newcastle
This sounds very much like they’re looking for loan signings - Lingard, James?

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:15 pm

CFS wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:02 pm
He's ITK with top clubs what will he know about bottom of the championship and the goings-on there.
I'd say he's in the know of the 'market' and the knock on effects, he's appeared on loads of podcasts and channels recently and has been pretty consistent with his message. I would imagine his opinion is based on him talking with clubs and others in the industry - of course he could be wrong but I hope he isn't, prices clearly need to drop. Only yesterday he was talking about a signing in the PL now that would cost 40 million but in two weeks he thought it would be 30. Not in his interest to be wrong.

Regarding Championship etc, Simon Jordan agrees with him that prices simply have to change as clubs need to sell
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Post by NewClaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:01 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:00 pm
Fabrizio Romano says in the next few weeks he thinks the market will change and prices will come down for most clubs as many simply have to sell in the current climate - he's one guy who should know
That’s what I’d expect - still think this will be a very interesting window with lots of bargains to be had as clubs look to reduce their wage bills. There’s a lot of skint clubs out there! Hope we’re well placed to take advantage.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:20 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:01 am
That’s what I’d expect - still think this will be a very interesting window with lots of bargains to be had as clubs look to reduce their wage bills. There’s a lot of skint clubs out there! Hope we’re well placed to take advantage.
“There’s a lot of skint clubs out there” I would exactly describe us as cash rich enough to take advantage from some of the opportunities that may be about, everybody will be after that bargain buy which within itself will drive the prices up, some of the bargain buys will also be insured on further potential with 1st refusals & buybacks & a whole range of other add ons.

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Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:59 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:41 pm
We
Have
5
Weeks
Left
Of
The
Window

We haven't left anything late yet, we have been linked with several wingers, we were very very close to getting Young signed until Villa rocked up.
We are being active in trying to get players in.

I would say lighten up, but you won't :lol:
I know what you mean about 5 weeks left, but it’s shaping up in a familiar way…..

Hoping I’m wrong!

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Post by elwaclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:13 am

I suggest that some fans on here never ever play poker for money, and warn snap may present a challenge of nerve. As for guess who.. have the Valium ready.

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Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:39 am

tiger76 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:37 pm
I don't disagree that the squad is thinner, Brady has also been released, so you'd hope with the transfer fees received, and the wages saved we'd have at least some wriggle room in the market to get a couple of additional signings, besides Collins and Hennessey as useful as they may both prove to be next season.
Hennessey will only be useful if Pope gets injurred
The signing of Collins certainly has potential but again he will only be useful next season through player injuries or if Tarks goes
For either or both players to start, our first eleven is weaker than last season
If we can't find improvements on the likes of JBG, Cork or Westwood we are in for another difficult watch this season
"Padding" out the squad is not the answer

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Post by taio » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:22 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:39 am
Hennessey will only be useful if Pope gets injurred
The signing of Collins certainly has potential but again he will only be useful next season through player injuries or if Tarks goes
For either or both players to start, our first eleven is weaker than last season
If we can't find improvements on the likes of JBG, Cork or Westwood we are in for another difficult watch this season
"Padding" out the squad is not the answer
Cheer up. You always see the negative to the extent that you must be similar in other aspects of your life - it can't be good for you.

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Post by KefkaClaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:23 am

We have x amount of weeks left relax, the Burnley transfer motto.

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Post by fatboy47 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:35 am

The departure list will be every bit as significant as the incoming list...and the big beasts are still among us...so far so good in that respect...

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:08 am

I think the lack signings is down to Dyche and his style play.
442 … and 451 …. Only when his hand is forced.
We have 4 keepers.
4 centre backs
4 centre midfielders.
4 strikers.
2 wingers.
There wont be many more signings.
At a push 2. Wingers that is.
But it looks more like maybe 1 that can play both wings

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:12 am

Thats why in his interview he used the word padding.
Hes happy with what he has… plus one or two.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:17 am

I don’t think that’s what he meant at all. I think he meant , we need 3-4 players

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Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:18 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:08 am
I think the lack signings is down to Dyche and his style play.
442 … and 451 …. Only when his hand is forced.
We have 4 keepers.
4 centre backs
4 centre midfielders.
4 strikers.
2 wingers.
There wont be many more signings.
At a push 2. Wingers that is.
But it looks more like maybe 1 that can play both wings
Don't be ridiculous.. The lack of signings is down to the lack of finances. Dyche as never had the funds to go out and buy quality he has had to make do with the likes of Brownhill and Stephens

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:20 am

There is finance available.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:25 am

Nothing wrong with Brownhill, he just needs to gain a bit of composure.

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:26 am

Agree Brownhill is a good player. A grafter.
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Post by BenWickes » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:33 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:20 am
There is finance available.
There is finance available and I kind of get what you're saying but Dyche limits his options because of the type of personality a player has, along with their abilities. He also isn't going to make wholesale changes to formation or style of play either. That would be gradual.
You only have to look at Stoke to see how a dramatic change in style and players can be detrimental.
As someone alluded to further up. Wholesale changes to a team can work against you.
However. I fully expect two or three more players in before the window closes.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:35 am

Brownhill has been a top signing and continues to impress ,look at his interceptions
We need a flying right winger someone to give us forward momentum and anyone who plays sideways or back wants dropping
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Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:40 am

There was very little finance available over the past 3-4 transfer windows to make us competitive at this level, we are only where we are now due to our outstanding manager who as worked miracles with peanuts.

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Post by fatboy47 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:41 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:20 am
There is finance available.
Why do people make statements like this when they really don't have a Scooby about the outlook. You won't have a clue how the land lies until the window ends, and our gross spend is more or less visible.
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Post by Top Claret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:42 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:35 am
Brownhill has been a top signing and continues to impress ,look at his interceptions
We need a flying right winger someone to give us forward momentum and anyone who plays sideways or back wants dropping
All I hear about are his interceptions what about his assists?

He really needs to improve on the ball if he is going to have a long term future at this level

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:43 am

Pace has said there is finance available. The manager will be backed.
12 million plus for Collins.

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:43 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:41 am
Why do people make statements like this when they really don't have a Scooby about the outlook. You won't have a clue how the land lies until the window ends, and our gross spend is more or less visible.
It’s only repeating what both the chairman and manager have said.

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