Local cricketer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:15 amLeeds just signed a goalkeeper. Another one we have missed out on
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Local cricketer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:15 amLeeds just signed a goalkeeper. Another one we have missed out on
£55k.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:44 amI would be surprised if we are willing to go to 60k.
Isn’t Ben mee our highest on 50k?
Completely agree. I was going to post the same. I’d personally prefer we continue to insist on this protection but equally if we want to sign players like AMN we’ll perhaps have to compromise in some way.claretspice wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 amThis is educated guesswork, but I've suspected for some time that our limiting factor on wages may not be what we can pay now, but out insistence on reductions in the event of relegation
Maitland Niles probably doesn't have that in his Arsenal contract and as I understand it, far from every club in the top flight insists.
Do you think he would be happy to accept any bonuses that might come his way if the team performs well but he possibly didn't play very well?
Yeah, I can understand that perspective and I know earnings are relative. It’s not like they’d be on the breadline or not have other opportunities should the worst happen - particularly if they’re that confident in their own worth.
I certainly would. I would obviously want my employment contract to be weighted more in my favour than my employers’. We don’t know if this is the situation with AMN in any case.
Of course not, but if there are two offers on the table it’s not hard to imagine a player taking the one with a less severe relegation penalty.
I’d assumed that most outside of those pretty much guaranteed safety would have relegation clauses. I think it was Spice’s post further up that suggested this might not be the case.
Well if some clubs for whom relegation is a possibility don't insist on relegation clauses they're very silly in my view, and in the event of dropping to the Championship, you can see why clubs quickly run into trouble when their income dramatically decreases, but they're still obliged to honour their contracts.
our wage bill covers circa 250 permanent employees and probably anything up to 500+ casual staff not just the football squad, people tend to forget about the non football side
I get that, but if you said the 250 averaged £40k pa (as an average and setting aside the senior coaches/management) you get £10m. Add 500 casuals at £8k pa average and you’re at £4m. So £14m total.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:43 pmour wage bill covers circa 250 permanent employees and probably anything up to 500+ casual staff not just the football squad, people tend to forget about the non football side
Dyche said in the first lockdown that bonuses made up around 30% of the wage bill for the football staffNewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:18 pmI get that, but if you said the 250 averaged £40k pa (as an average and setting aside the senior coaches/management) you get £10m. Add 500 casuals at £8k pa average and you’re at £4m. So £14m total.
So I still struggle to fathom how we get to £90m without some of our top players being on a lot more than £55k pw.
Hi CP, what do you expect is the average wage of the non-footballing staff? If we assume it is comparable to the average national wage, let's say that it is £30,000 per annum for 200 permanent staff (assuming 50 of perm staff are football staff), then we get £6,000,000. For the casual staff, let's assume they are on minimum wage (which I think compares with the security at Wembley for the Euros), so, let's say 500 staff at £10/hour and 5 hours per match day - no more than 25 of them a season gives us £625,000. Add those two figures together £6,625,000 and add ERS NIC at 13.8% = £914,250. So, total cost of non-footballing staff (ball park, but not "kicking the ball in the park") is £7,539,250. Let's call it £7.5 million cost of all the non-footballing staff. So, the footballing staff cost the club £94.0m less £7.5m = £86.5 million. And, that includes the u23s and other age groups/academy - plus, of course, Sean Dyche and all the coaching staff.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:43 pmour wage bill covers circa 250 permanent employees and probably anything up to 500+ casual staff not just the football squad, people tend to forget about the non football side
Hi New, I see we made different estimates of the average wages of the 250 permanent staff - and, I've assumed that 50 of these 250 are footballing staff (maybe I'm wrong on this, I don't know). I've also assumed only minimum wage for all casuals (inflated to £10/hr) and allowed 5 hours per home game. I'm sure some of these assumptions aren't correct.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:18 pmI get that, but if you said the 250 averaged £40k pa (as an average and setting aside the senior coaches/management) you get £10m. Add 500 casuals at £8k pa average and you’re at £4m. So £14m total.
So I still struggle to fathom how we get to £90m without some of our top players being on a lot more than £55k pw.
I'd expect more and more clubs are adopting relegation clauses. I'm sure that's what they mean when they refer to copying the Burnley model. If a football regulator ever gets going it will be one of the first things on the list - it's all about sustainable finances in the game.
When wolves dropped down the league's they were paying Jamie O'Hara £40k a week in league one.
Personally I believe they should be mandatory for every club in the professional leagues.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:46 pmI'd expect more and more clubs are adopting relegation clauses. I'm sure that's what they mean when they refer to copying the Burnley model. If a football regulator ever gets going it will be one of the first things on the list - it's all about sustainable finances in the game.
Villa was never really the issue for me. I think Everton will come in with a bid, and try and dump Kenny on usminnieclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:27 pmAston Villa have reached an agreement to sign Leon Bailey from Bayer Leverkusen.
This should turn their heads from Dwight, hopefully.
Agree - simply not for sale. We shouldn't be getting rid of anyone, although there could be a case for selling Tarkowski if the right offer came in and the club was confident of bringing in a suitable replacement.
Very much doubt we’d be getting Dwight fit for Everton if we thought he were going to leave.
Hi PW,Paul Waine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:44 pmHi New, I see we made different estimates of the average wages of the 250 permanent staff - and, I've assumed that 50 of these 250 are footballing staff (maybe I'm wrong on this, I don't know). I've also assumed only minimum wage for all casuals (inflated to £10/hr) and allowed 5 hours per home game. I'm sure some of these assumptions aren't correct.
The big question re the senior squad is how much is their base wage and how much is bonus? Then, there's the context that the wages are spoken about. I think it often includes bonuses, though when Sean Dyche mentions wages he's more often speaking about a base number, aiming to maintain the psychology and togetherness of the team - and the value of the bonus as an incentive to match day performances.
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There will now follow 4 pages pontificating on how to spend the 50M!burnley007 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:07 pmIf we sold Dwight for £50m, how would we replace him? We are really struggling to make any signings atm.
Dangerous period...
Nixon linking him with us on loan but it’s a big loan fee and big salary
Feels a bit like one of those near to the bottom of a short list.JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:07 amI just read Nixon’s post about Lookman, he was hard working and one of Fulham’s best players last season. That said I’m struggling to see him fitting into our structure but do like him so wouldn’t be upset about signing him.
He plays left and right so perfect cover for Dwight and JBG, who I expect to start.