Absolutely no chance that Dyche goes after a player like Lookman or Perreira. I'll show my arse in Burton's window, as they say.

Maitland-Niles is the dream signing for us in that wide midfield role on the right. Marc Albrighton would be excellent too, albeit older and so little resale value (yes it's important).

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:06 pm

Absolutely no chance that Dyche goes after a player like Lookman or Perreira. I'll show my arse in Burton's window, as they say.

Maitland-Niles is the dream signing for us in that wide midfield role on the right. Marc Albrighton would be excellent too, albeit older and so little resale value (yes it's important).

so you think if Dyche became manager of Man United and had a wedge of cash to spend he'd still sign and play Ashley Barnes over a Marcus Rashford ?

I don't buy this Dyche type player at all, he's been forced down a rabbit hole due to lack of finance (at PL level)

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:15 pm

Considering Wood is currently playing for NZ his fitness shouldn't be affected.

You are right.
In fact FIFA are considering scrapping Summer breaks altogether so that the players stay 100% prepared and fresh

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:15 pm

so you think if Dyche became manager of Man United and had a wedge of cash to spend he'd still sign and play Ashley Barnes over a Marcus Rashford ?

I don't buy this Dyche type player at all, he's been forced down a rabbit hole due to lack of finance (at PL level)

And I don't buy the idea that the only reason Dyche has always favoured workers over flair players is simply because of the finance available to him (or lack thereof).

I think, as ever, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. At the end of the day he's always going to be one of the more conservative and cautious managers, and for Burnley, I don't believe that will ever change. I don't believe he would ever sign a player with the profile of Perreira, he would always go for the Albrighton. His management of the recruitment has served us well.

If he became the manager of a Man Utd, he'd have players bought for him, which is why he'd never get a job like that.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:21 pm

And I don't buy the idea that the only reason Dyche has always favoured workers over flair players is simply because of the finance available to him (or lack thereof).

I think, as ever, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. At the end of the day he's always going to be one of the more conservative and cautious managers, and for Burnley, I don't believe that will ever change. I don't believe he would ever sign a player with the profile of Perreira, he would always go for the Albrighton. His management of the recruitment has served us well.

If he became the manager of a Man Utd, he'd have players bought for him, which is why he'd never get a job like that.

So how do you explain players like McNeil & Defour, likewise Aaron Lennon?

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:23 pm

So how do you explain players like McNeil & Defour, likewise Aaron Lennon?

That's an easy one - they're nothing like the flair players I've mentioned (in my opinion).

Albrighton featured in 31 games for Leicester last season
They have another season in Europe to look forward to so why would he seriously want to come to Burnley
Can't see us being able to compete on wages, just a matter of whether he can get a min two year deal to stay, with Rodgers saying they are looking to offer another contract
Seems like a rumour as a bargaining tool from his agent to get a new deal at Leicester sorted out in the next couple of weeks

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:25 pm

Albrighton featured in 31 games for Leicester last season
They have another season in Europe to look forward to so why would he seriously want to come to Burnley
Can't see us being able to compete on wages, just a matter of whether he can get a min two year deal to stay, with Rodgers saying they are looking to offer another contract
Seems like a rumour as a bargaining tool from his agent to get a new deal at Leicester sorted out in the next couple of weeks

If the agents creating rumours to get their player a better deal scenario was as common and obvious as made out on here, then surely the players current club wouldn’t fall for it?

All players will keep their options open on an ongoing basis (accidental alliteration) (and again) (etc).

I disagree. I think Dyche at United would play 442.
Big striker small striker …its the only way he knows

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:40 pm

If the agents creating rumours to get their player a better deal scenario was as common and obvious as made out on here, then surely the players current club wouldn’t fall for it?

All players will keep their options open on an ongoing basis (accidental alliteration) (and again) (etc).

Not exactly a rumour, the agent could have contacted clubs in the hope of getting the player a better deal

Come on folks. It's tiresome now. Dyche will never have envisaged Burnley would be considered an established Premier League club when he took over.

It was new ground for us as it was for him, and whether we like it or not, we are indeed a small club by PL standards. We have made a mockery of the small town/club mindset by achieving and maintaining this level.

Please stop knocking the club's ambitions and way of working. Throwing cash recklessly at the first team could end our little session in the sun and leave us belly up.

Leave funding to the people who are no doubt very well paid to guide us through these tough waters. If we had spent anything near Brighton have spent and finished 17th I'd have some concerns, but as it is, UTC.

Zom Zom wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:07 pm

Come on folks. It's tiresome now. Dyche will never have envisaged Burnley would be considered an established Premier League club when he took over.

It was new ground for us as it was for him, and whether we like it or not, we are indeed a small club by PL standards. We have made a mockery of the small town/club mindset by achieving and maintaining this level.

Please stop knocking the club's ambitions and way of working. Throwing cash recklessly at the first team could end our little session in the sun and leave us belly up.

Leave funding to the people who are no doubt very well paid to guide us through these tough waters. If we had spent anything near Brighton have spent and finished 17th I'd have some concerns, but as it is, UTC.

To be fair they just sold a central defender for £50m, they have a keeper worth £20m+, a right back worth £40m+ and a central midfielder worth £40m+. I know they've spent a lot but players don't automatically become worth £0 once you've purchased them, they have a lot of money they can recoup in player sales.

Not a link, rumour or suggestion, but just showing how recruitment can change quickly with summer cups and leagues.

Tajon Buchanan, 22 has now qualified for enough WP points because Canada have been playing in the Gold Cup. Plays in MLS so also can gain points when players in winter leagues can’t.

Skillful winger plays anywhere up and down the right even RB. Loads of offers from France Germany Belgium. New England looking for about 10m.

Just find it interesting how a player can suddenly qualify mid summer….wonder if we track that kind of thing.

ALL IS DROSS!

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm

ALL IS DROSS!

There must be someone we’re linked with who’s not dross?

Zom Zom wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:07 pm

If we had spent anything near Brighton have spent and finished 17th I'd have some concerns, but as it is, UTC.

In the four seasons that Brighton & their free flowing football have spent in the Prem, they have finished in 15th, 17th, 15th & 16th.

Shows they have wasted lots of money for not much gain.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:41 pm

In the four seasons that Brighton & their free flowing football have spent in the Prem, they have finished in 15th, 17th, 15th & 16th.

Shows they have wasted lots of money for not much gain.

I don't get the obsession with Brighton.
They do what they want. They have a very very rich chairman who chooses to spend his own money on his beloved club.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:45 pm

I don't get the obsession with Brighton.
They do what they want. They have a very very rich chairman who chooses to spend his own money on his beloved club.

Quite simple, some Burnley fans have it in their heads that spending lots each year is the way forward to playing pretty football.

Brighton are an example of spending lots and playing pretty football but achieving the same or less than us.

Are we interested in Daniel James? If not, why not?

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:50 pm

Are we interested in Daniel James? If not, why not?

Apparently he's staying at Man United.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:48 pm

Quite simple, some Burnley fans have it in their heads that spending lots each year is the way forward to playing pretty football.

Brighton are an example of spending lots and playing pretty football but achieving the same or less than us.

To be fair DJ there is a direct correlation between money spent and league position.

Burnley are actually the ones that regularly beat this trend.

As usual the teams that spend the most money on fees and wages typically win the league

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:50 pm

Are we interested in Daniel James? If not, why not?

According to Mr Nixon he's not for sale:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -sancho-2/

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:45 pm

I don't get the obsession with Brighton.
They do what they want. They have a very very rich chairman who chooses to spend his own money on his beloved club.

No obsession with Brighton, just an example of clubs spending money and not getting much return. It means nothing.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:50 pm

Are we interested in Daniel James? If not, why not?

Because he is ****

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:48 pm

Quite simple, some Burnley fans have it in their heads that spending lots each year is the way forward to playing pretty football.

Brighton are an example of spending lots and playing pretty football but achieving the same or less than us.

But the way forward is to improve on the pitch, is it not?

Zom Zom wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:56 pm

No obsession with Brighton, just an example of clubs spending money and not getting much return. It means nothing.

Please take it from me, there is one

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:04 pm

But the way forward is to improve on the pitch, is it not?

But the point is, Brighton aren't are they, otherwise they would be finishing higher.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:17 pm

But the point is, Brighton aren't are they, otherwise they would be finishing higher.

This is exactly my point. Who gives a flying **** about bluddy Brighton and Effing Hove @kin Albion????

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:19 pm

This is exactly my point. Who gives a flying **** about bluddy Brighton and Effing Hove @kin Albion????

Calm down Bill, you’ll give yourself a Goldstone

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:06 pm

Calm down Bill, you’ll give yourself a Goldstone

No, I'm allright thanks.
But I do wish this obsession with B&HA would stop. They are not a point of comparison.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of our fans check their results right after our own

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:53 pm

To be fair DJ there is a direct correlation between money spent and league position.

Burnley are actually the ones that regularly beat this trend.

As usual the teams that spend the most money on fees and wages typically win the league

Brighton have the 11th highest net spend in European football.

They've won absolutely bugger all and only just about finished above us last season by 2 points and that's the first time in years they've finished above us.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:04 pm

But the way forward is to improve on the pitch, is it not?

Yes it is and they haven't been despite having the 11th highest net spend in European football.

I expect this has been quoted on here but just in case it hasn’t here’s something I didn’t see or hear about.

“Liverpool rejected a bid of about £11m for Harry Wilson from Burnley last summer.”

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:30 pm

Yes it is and they haven't been despite having the 11th highest net spend in European football.

More to the point: have we?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:29 pm

Brighton have the 11th highest net spend in European football.

They've won absolutely bugger all and only just about finished above us last season by 2 points and that's the first time in years they've finished above us.

Yes I get what you are saying regards to Brighton but I was merely reacting to your statement about money and good football.

As a general rule of thumb money does lead to good football. Brighton are an example of when it doesn’t always work and Burnley are the opposite they have proven it can work with little finance.

However, I think we can all agree if Dyche had Brighton’s funding the club would be in a considerably better position. (However that kind of funding is unsustainable unless you do Leicester)

Back onto the topic of transfers

According to the hand of Arsenal we have been told AMN will cost 20m

Back to the Brighton thing:

I'm convinced that some of our fans live in an alternative footballing universe where the league title is decided by points won per pound (million) spent.

OK. We are the best!

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:40 pm

Yes I get what you are saying regards to Brighton but I was merely reacting to your statement about money and good football.

As a general rule of thumb money does lead to good football. Brighton are an example of when it doesn’t always work and Burnley are the opposite they have proven it can work with little finance.

However, I think we can all agree if Dyche had Brighton’s funding the club would be in a considerably better position. (However that kind of funding is unsustainable unless you do Leicester)

The league position would potentially be better but the financial position would potentially be just as precarious and there's still no guarantee Dyche would do a better job than Potter.

Dyche has always started each season with getting to 40 points first and anything after that is a bonus.
We seem to alternate between a mid table finish one year and the next a lower end finish, but that's not unique to Burnley.

It takes a lot of very good signings to become consistently mid table but there will also be a number of very poor signings made along the way, see West Ham having a clear out and selling players they paid £30 million for the other year for £4 million ish now just to get rid.

Dyche has shown he can make a team that plays attractive attacking football, he just needs to do it again and find the right players at the right price to do so.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:42 pm

Back onto the topic of transfers

According to the hand of Arsenal we have been told AMN will cost 20m

I still want him here, even at that price.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:41 pm

In the four seasons that Brighton & their free flowing football have spent in the Prem, they have finished in 15th, 17th, 15th & 16th.

Shows they have wasted lots of money for not much gain.

What do you mean not much gained? What have we gained that they haven't? Surely the objective for both clubs is to just survive? they have achieved that, like us. As for wasted money, you're completely forgetting the players they've bought aren't suddenly worth nothing, they have over £150m in players to sell.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:30 pm

Yes it is and they haven't been despite having the 11th highest net spend in European football.

net spend includes assets purchased but doesn't factor in what those assets are worth. Go through their squad, there's easily another £200m+ of assets, add in the potential £50m sale of Ben White. They didn't spend money on players and just instantly lose that money, it's an investment.

Webster £30m
Dunk £20m
Lamptey £40m (potentially £60m)
Bissouma £45m
Sanchez £20m-£30m
Maupay £10m
Trossard £30m
White £50m
Mac Allister £25m

They've spent money but they've got alot of valuable players, we haven't spent much so we don't have valuable players.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:41 pm

In the four seasons that Brighton & their free flowing football have spent in the Prem, they have finished in 15th, 17th, 15th & 16th.

Shows they have wasted lots of money for not much gain.

Not much gain, what did you expect from Brighton to win the league, they have done what they needed to do to ensure survival probably spent more than was necessary along the way but what the hell the owner is loaded it doesn’t matter to them, why does it matter to you?

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:38 pm

Not much gain, what did you expect from Brighton to win the league, they have done what they needed to do to ensure survival probably spent more than was necessary along the way but what the hell the owner is loaded it doesn’t matter to them, why does it matter to you?

The hypocrisy. We do whats needed to survive comfortably every season yet that's not good enough on here.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:56 pm

The hypocrisy. We do whats needed to survive comfortably every season yet that's not good enough on here.

Do you not think you could be overreacting? Some people are dismayed that progression doesn’t seem to be happening that’s all that’s been said.

Brighton are a striker away from pushing the top ten, we are a right winger and probably 1 midfielder away from that. Considering how much they've spent I'd say we've had far better value in terms of over all performance

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:33 pm

net spend includes assets purchased but doesn't factor in what those assets are worth. Go through their squad, there's easily another £200m+ of assets, add in the potential £50m sale of Ben White. They didn't spend money on players and just instantly lose that money, it's an investment.

Webster £30m
Dunk £20m
Lamptey £40m (potentially £60m)
Bissouma £45m
Sanchez £20m-£30m
Maupay £10m
Trossard £30m
White £50m
Mac Allister £25m

They've spent money but they've got alot of valuable players, we haven't spent much so we don't have valuable players.

First of all... They spent way more than 10M on Maupay. Second of all probably very few of those players are being scouted at those prices. White is, however they didn't sign him from anyone. Bissouma and Lamptey are the only ones attracting much interest. I don't particularly rate Bissouma and if he goes to a top club I doubt he'll play much. Lamptey was way behind James at Chelsea and still has a lot to learn (a bit reckless) and a bit undersized. Brighton are well over rated and I can see Potter coaching Birmingham in League One a year or two from now. Thinking they could be this season's surprise relegation fodder. There is one every year and I hope it isn't us!

Hanoverusaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:35 am

Thinking they could be this season's surprise relegation fodder. There is one every year and I hope it isn't us!

People always say this but it isn’t true. Who were the surprise relegation fodder in the last three seasons?

This is just this window:

Jahanbaksh cost 18m, sold for 1m
Propper cost 11m, left on a free
Izquierdo cost 13m left on a free
Bernardo cost 9m left on a free
Locadia cost 15m been on loan to MLS for 2 years basically worthless.

If we did that we’d be bankrupt and this board would be in meltdown.

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:18 am

This is just this window:

Jahanbaksh cost 18m, sold for 1m
Propper cost 11m, left on a free
Izquierdo cost 13m left on a free
Bernardo cost 9m left on a free
Locadia cost 15m been on loan to MLS for 2 years basically worthless.

If we did that we’d be bankrupt and this board would be in meltdown.

Gibson bought 15m, sold 7m
Hendrick bought 10m, sold 0
Brady bought 12m, sold 0

It hasn't effected us, providing you survive in the league, you're good. They got very very good value out of Propper, same as we did with Hendrick regardless of if they left on free transfers. Every club has dud signings, they have spent more than us but they've also got a squad worth more than ours if they need to sell.

Hanoverusaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:35 am

First of all... They spent way more than 10M on Maupay. Second of all probably very few of those players are being scouted at those prices. White is, however they didn't sign him from anyone. Bissouma and Lamptey are the only ones attracting much interest. I don't particularly rate Bissouma and if he goes to a top club I doubt he'll play much. Lamptey was way behind James at Chelsea and still has a lot to learn (a bit reckless) and a bit undersized. Brighton are well over rated and I can see Potter coaching Birmingham in League One a year or two from now. Thinking they could be this season's surprise relegation fodder. There is one every year and I hope it isn't us!

They spent 15 on Maupay I think, I wouldn't say his value has increased but he's young enough that he'll be worth 10+ still. I don't care if Bissouma will play at a top club, I pointed out his value which is around 35-40m. Lamptey's Chelsea career is irrelevant, he left there when he was 18 or something, Chelsea produce young talent and sell them and they've let world class superstars go in the past. Brighton overrated? by who? they're a bang average PL side, survive every year without pulling up trees.

My point was they've spent a lot but their squad is worth £200m+ so they can recoup money further down the line. Players aren't worth £0 once they've been purchased. If we spend a little more, maybe we can also have a squad worth a fortune too, age is a big factor in value too. As for Potter coaching in League One, that wont be happening anytime soon, he did a remarkable job at Ostersunds, good job at Swansea and kept Brighton up last year comfortably. I see no reason he'd drop down 2 leagues in 1 year.

As for relegation fodder, I wouldn't be surprised if either us or Brighton were relegated, we seriously need a good window.