Sadly my impressive display of keeps-uppies culminating in me smashing it over the garden fence has not borne fruit. However two trialists are evidently being invited to Barnfield for further assessment. Let's hope one of them has electric pace, creativity and the potential for 25 goals a season.

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/content/aiscout

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:30 am

Sadly my impressive display of keeps-uppies culminating in me smashing it over the garden fence has not borne fruit

good luck to the lads at Barnfield this week!

...and no - you can't have your ball back Stalbans!

I wonder who the lucky guy at Barnfield was, who had to go through 12,000 videos?

Sounds like the BFC equivelant of the army's spud bashing.

Those were the days.

Is Barnfield ,Gawthorpe ?

Benson and Hedges

Good luck to them.

It's potentially a good system, that allows late bloomers or former youth players a way (back) into the game.

Also means those players come to us, instead of us hoping the scouts can find them.

joey13 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:52 am

Is Barnfield ,Gawthorpe ?

Yes it is.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:55 am

Good luck to them.

It's potentially a good system, that allows late bloomers or former youth players a way (back) into the game.

Also means those players come to us, instead of us hoping the scouts can find them.

And hopefully no agents fees to pay!

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:46 am

I wonder who the lucky guy at Barnfield was, who had to go through 12,000 videos?

Sounds like the BFC equivelant of the army's spud bashing.

Those were the days.

The backend of the app does it for them - they "train" the app to get what they want - interesting to know who they used a the model for recruitment i.e wood or vydra for the forward skill etc.

So from 12000+ we’ve got 0.5% coming for some sort of trial?

I know it’s “automated” to some extent but seems a lot of effort for not much return

joey13 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:52 am

Is Barnfield ,Gawthorpe ?

Same place, club have to use the sponsors name but it will always be Gawthorpe to me.

brexit wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:57 am

The backend of the app does it for them - they "train" the app to get what they want - interesting to know who they used a the model for recruitment i.e wood or vydra for the forward skill etc.

messi

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:00 pm

So from 12000+ we’ve got 0.5% coming for some sort of trial?

I know it’s “automated” to some extent but seems a lot of effort for not much return

What if out of the 0.5% we find the next Wood, Pope McNeil or even Messi it will of been worth the effort

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:00 pm

So from 12000+ we’ve got 0.5% coming for some sort of trial?

I know it’s “automated” to some extent but seems a lot of effort for not much return

You could use that point to say scrap youth set ups. What % of kids would you imagine make it to professional football.

Really hope we unearth some hidden gems.

I’m no scout but theres’s many a footballer I’ve played with with who I thought could make the step up and play professionally.

They just never got the chance for one reason or another.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:05 pm

You could use that point to say scrap youth set ups. What % of kids would you imagine make it to professional football.

Got to admit I do sound negative (and believe me I’m not, I’m involved in grassroots coaching) I think I was just expecting more of a hit rate for some reason

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:08 pm

Got to admit I do sound negative (and believe me I’m not, I’m involved in grassroots coaching) I think I was just expecting more of a hit rate for some reason

Those 2 could be the next Messi & Ronaldo.

If anything I am glad the uptake is so small, shows there is a decent level of criteria required rather than accepting loads

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:11 pm

Those 2 could be the next Messi & Ronaldo.

If anything I am glad the uptake is so small, shows there is a decent level of criteria required rather than accepting loads

Very good point .

There’s another 24 invited for a trial match. Perhaps a few more might come through there

It sounds like a system that would work for non league/league two sides, similar to the Jamie Vardy academy thing.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:56 am

And hopefully no agents fees to pay!

That’s why I’m creating the AiAgent app to make millions!

Dodobdobodobo wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:14 pm

There’s another 24 invited for a trial match. Perhaps a few more might come through there

One of the four invited is already playing in US College football, so I don't think we will be the only club that know about him.

Obviously, we all hope this works for BFC, but it's hard for real talent to go unnoticed in this 'Connected' world. We'll need more than our fair share of luck to unearth a 'Gem'.

Nothing to lose and fair play to the club for trying

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:00 pm

So from 12000+ we’ve got 0.5% coming for some sort of trial?

I know it’s “automated” to some extent but seems a lot of effort for not much return

Well that's the point really, it's to enable a wide net to be cast with a minimum amount of incremental effort. Realistically the current iteration of the app isn't going to be great, these rounds will also be used to fine tune what it's looking for.

Obviously there's a potential issue that the time and effort of the BFC staff is being used to develop a third party app. The flip side is obviously if it works and we get in some players that make a profit/improve the first team.

brexit wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:54 am

Benson and Hedges

Benson is already here, let's hope Hedges is better.

I see that we’re still searching for a proof reader, judging by that article.

The hit rate will always be small with scouting, whatever method is used. There could be some talent to be unearthed though - it’s an opportunity that might not otherwise be there for, as an example, kids in a remote African village.

Has one of them said they are George Weah’s cousin.....? We need to be wary of this.

24 players who'll be assessed in 1 game? Is someone's maths a bit crap or more worryingly the organiser's knowledge of football? Harsh for the two lads who are on the bench. A long way to come from USA, Canada, Malaysia or New Zealand for 90 minutes of football or less.

Clearly we would never have scouted those players from far a field so this could be a positive addition to our scouting if it brings just one player through to the first team.

The idea of using this for the ladies team is a pretty good idea as I'm sure their scouting resources are much lower than the mens.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 12:47 pm

I see that we’re still searching for a proof reader, judging by that article.

For a professional company the article is appalling.

I just hope Toe Bungers are in the list of skills.........

Echoes of Burnley establishing Gawthorpe in 1955, and the idea of developing its own pro’s of the future. Five years later we won the title, 1968, the FA youth Cup. Sounds an interesting development and hopefully we’ll get some cracking prospects and first teamers.

Is there any info on Dyche’s involvement in this scheme? I am assuming he would be heavily involved in the selection process?

I can just imagine thousands of players worldwide trying to dribble like Pele, Maradona and Mark Lawrenson and sending it to BFC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNERlJLo1no

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 1:49 pm

Is there any info on Dyche’s involvement in this scheme? I am assuming he would be heavily involved in the selection process?

Obviously would if it is players above the academy

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 1:21 pm

For a professional company the article is appalling.

Is this one of the positions they advertised looking for a degree, experience, IT skills and a whole load of other things with a salary of 18k?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 2:00 pm

Obviously would if it is players above the academy

Tony, is Dyche involved in academy recruitment to some extent?

I just assumed he would be involved in all levels of recruitment.

What would be the point in taking on a youth player if Dyche didn’t think they would fit?

Well done the 2 lads and others who may materialise.

I am pleased to report my body swerve saw me accepted.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 2:36 pm

Tony, is Dyche involved in academy recruitment to some extent?

I just assumed he would be involved in all levels of recruitment.

What would be the point in taking on a youth player if Dyche didn’t think they would fit?

It's extra work for Dyche, he won't be here forever and some of those lads who don't make the grade can be sold on for a profit.

He wouldn't know if they'd fit at a young age, hence why its delegated to the youth academy.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 2:36 pm

Tony, is Dyche involved in academy recruitment to some extent?

I just assumed he would be involved in all levels of recruitment.

What would be the point in taking on a youth player if Dyche didn’t think they would fit?

He will have some involvement and works alongside but we saw the problems the last time we allowed a manager to have control of the academy.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 2:36 pm

Tony, is Dyche involved in academy recruitment to some extent?

I just assumed he would be involved in all levels of recruitment.

What would be the point in taking on a youth player if Dyche didn’t think they would fit?

I'd expect his involvement in the academy is minimal. You don't really want the academy direction chopping and changing depending on who the manager is, it's pretty unlikely that most managers would be around to benefit from the youngsters that join under their reign.

The vast majority of academy output, particularly whilst we're in the premier league, is going to be on loan/sold. Chelsea probably have the best model for this in terms of generating revenue and I would think that we're well aware of that.

Howe hasn't been forgiven by some because he had some control over the direction of the academy, it's not something that works that well.

brexit wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 11:54 am

Benson and Hedges

Burnley will be playing 4-4-effing-2. These two lads will fit in nicely.

Club source tells me they are called Crouch and Walters

Disappointed by this, not because we are doing it, but because we are telling everyone we are doing it. If this gives us a competitive advantage in finding talent - why tell everyone?

Read an article in the Wall Street Journal about how Barnsley found the lad from Orlando who was instrumental in getting them into the playoffs. They have two algorithms for finding talent and they are a well kept secret. Why let everyone know what you are doing? Pretty soon, better financed and "bigger" clubs will jump on it and we get out competed again - same as the transfer market.

Lord_Bob wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 3:34 pm

Disappointed by this, not because we are doing it, but because we are telling everyone we are doing it. If this gives us a competitive advantage in finding talent - why tell everyone?

Read an article in the Wall Street Journal about how Barnsley found the lad from Orlando who was instrumental in getting them into the playoffs. They have two algorithms for finding talent and they are a well kept secret. Why let everyone know what you are doing? Pretty soon, better financed and "bigger" clubs will jump on it and we get out competed again - same as the transfer market.

Might be wrong but arnt Chelsea using the exact same company for there scouting network? I don’t think this is a secret recruitment process I think we are just trying to catch up with the rest.

Some hopes going to be dashed here if sports reporting of late is anything to go by, all will wear make up, had their nails done & be in high heels......

Some fantastic misunderstandings of AI on this thread.

This method of scouting is clearly the way forward for smaller clubs. It’s worked very well for Barnsley and if they don’t go up via the play offs - they should be the first place we go shopping this summer

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon May 17, 2021 3:13 pm

I'd expect his involvement in the academy is minimal. You don't really want the academy direction chopping and changing depending on who the manager is, it's pretty unlikely that most managers would be around to benefit from the youngsters that join under their reign.

The vast majority of academy output, particularly whilst we're in the premier league, is going to be on loan/sold. Chelsea probably have the best model for this in terms of generating revenue and I would think that we're well aware of that.

Howe hasn't been forgiven by some because he had some control over the direction of the academy, it's not something that works that well.

That’s how I see it and how I believe it’s been since Cotterill was appointed in 2004 apart from the period when Howe was here.

This isn't about finding the next messi. It's about finding the next terminator.