Ashley Barnes arrested

[boatshed bill]

Been unlucky and of course wrong . But my, some Holy Joe drama qeens on here about this.

it has more to do with (I think) that these sports stars are seen as role models.
Let's face it, if I got done for D&D it wouldn't even make the local rag.

[Milltown1882]

it has more to do with (I think) that these sports stars are seen as role models.
Let's face it, if I got done for D&D it wouldn't even make the local rag.

Name me one footballer that gets into the game to be a role model. There’s probably 0.

[boatshed bill]

Name me one footballer that gets into the game to be a role model. There’s probably 0.

It's still a fact.

[BurnleyPaul]

Been unlucky and of course wrong . But my, some Holy Joe drama qeens on here about this.

Did you read my post about having been hit by a drunk driver? I wouldn’t call it being a drama Queen; more like having first hand experience of the potential consequences.

He was an idiot- plain and simple. He will now have to suffer whatever punishments are coming his way.

[Quickenthetempo]

Didn't Payton get shipped off to Blackpool after being caught drink driving?

[BurnleyPaul]

Barnes fans = fine him and let’s get on with it...

Barnes haters = flog him and sack him and burn him and never let him play for the club again.

Am a Barnes fan but my feelings on this are definitely more akin to what you say about Barnes haters. Like or dislike the man- he cannot be defended over this; he made a serious mistake with his actions and he needs to be dealt with harshly- simply to get it through to everybody else at the club that you do not do anything so stupid.

[boatshed bill]

Didn't Payton get shipped off to Blackpool after being caught drink driving?

I thought that was for hiding in his wardrobe....or similar

[bf2k]

I can't believe someone has just posted those who are calling Barnes out as drama queens. Football idiocy a side that's a moronic statement

[Quickenthetempo]

I thought that was for hiding in his wardrobe....or similar

He wasn't the best at hide and seek from the police.

Good to see he's a reformed character now and helping people stay away from drugs and alcohol.

[tim_noone]

People find it best that you kick a man when hes down....and kick him hard. Let it be a lesson to him.

[tim_noone]

I suspect Alan Pace will be furious

And??The jury's still out with him anyway...

[CrosspoolClarets]

I bet Ashley is gutted, but I can’t see this going down well with our new owners. Wouldn’t be a surprise at his age to see him gone in the summer. If I were him I’d forget the court case, plead guilty (if he did it, which of course we don’t know 100% but it doesn’t look good), then do some high profile grovelling and charity work ASAP. That MAY give him a chance of redemption.

[Vegas Claret]

And??The jury's still out with him anyway...

what do you mean "and" ?

Like it or not Pace is the big cheese and given his beliefs I would imagine he won't be impressed. I would also imagine Dyche would be less than impressed.

Not many jobs you do where you can **** off the powers that be, the fact the "jury is still out on Pace" is utterly irrelevant

[Taffy on the wing]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15008262 ... k-driving/

Plenty of "first stone throwers" on this thread...........

[superdimitri]

Marcos Alonso - Kills a passenger in a car accident driving 70mph in a 50mph zone, over the legal limit. €61,000 fine and 3 years driving ban (that he already served before sentencing apparently). Goes on to have a successful career at Fiorentina/Chelsea.

Jack Grealish - Speeds and crashes into two cars in the middle of the night, flees the scene. Later done for 'Careless Driving'. £82.000 fine and 9 month driving ban. (He also repeatably broke lockdown rules).

Ashley Barnes - Gets caught pulling into his cul-de-sac over the limit after making his way home accident free. Never plays for Burnley again.

Don't get me wrong, I know the reputable players get away with more than ours, but I think its a bit of a stretch to say he'll never play for us again. He'll get a ban, Westwood will drive the van instead and a hefty fine.

Not good from Barnes, who should know better. Although I'd guess a lot of them do this and get away with it quite regularly.

[dermotdermot]

It’s not as if he makes a habit of it. Lynch Mob syndrome. Just one of those things. He probably thought he was fine and made a misjudgment. Leave him alone. I’m sure that Sean will see it the way I do.

[ClaretMov]

He’s on his way out of the club anyway . Even at 3am on empty roads it’s bloody stupid risk to take . As for the usual virtuous knee jerkers re: “ terminate his contract “ etc etc etc ....

Knee Jerk, What a ******* stupid thing to say, obviously you or your family have never suffered a tragedy to a drink driver, let's hope you never found out what it feels like.

[TsarBomba]

Wouldn't matter if he'd been dropped of 50 metres from home, still shouldn't have driven.

I really like Ashley Barnes, remember him at Torquay, i'm really disappointed at this (if proven).

If proven? That’s not how being charged for drink driving works.

He has been stopped by the road side, and suspected of being in charge of a motor vehicle whilst under the influence of alcohol, Barnes has been required to give a specimen of breath for analysis. He has done so, and obviously failed this. This roadside breath test is only preliminary.

Back at the station, Barnes will then have been required to give two more specimens of breath on an EBM. Basically a very large machine that gives two readings. The lower one is taken, and then evidenced in court. This is done in custody and the procedure is quite long. Dependent on the time it takes to travel to custody, the wait time to get into custody, and for the procedure to be carried out means it can easily be 1-2 hours from being stopped to giving your two specimens of breath on the EBM.

Driving offences are absolute. The fact that Barnes has been charged and bailed to court means he’s given at least one specimen over the prescribed limit. He’s guilty of committing the offence.

In my experience, it is never just 2 or 3 beers, because the likelihood is that you will have sobered up in time. The procedure of evidencing drink driving on the EBM is long, so the whole argument that Barnes has been unlucky, only had a couple and been caught out is just plain wrong.

This isn’t a mistake. Barnes has made a conscious decision to drive, under the influence, knowing he shouldn’t have. It’s inexcusable.

[Top Claret]

Fella I feel sorry for is Ashley Westwood who is now lumbered with the driving job.

Looks like Ben Mee or Jack Cork will have to step up

[pushpinpussy]

I think everyone is forgetting you are innocent until proven guilty. Being charged does not mean you are guilty of the offence. Give Ashley the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I specialise in Motoring Law and there are so many ways to challenge a drink drive offence which i wouldn't post on here. But if anyone ever finds themselves in this situation then email me and i will explain all the routes you can go down. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AB pleads not guilty. I challenge everything and he will get himself a good lawyer who will do the same.

[AlargeClaret]

I think everyone is forgetting you are innocent until proven guilty. Being charged does not mean you are guilty of the offence. Give Ashley the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I specialise in Motoring Law and there are so many ways to challenge a drink drive offence which i wouldn't post on here. But if anyone ever finds themselves in this situation then email me and i will explain all the routes you can go down. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AB pleads not guilty. I challenge everything and he will get himself a good lawyer who will do the same.

What a bizarre posting . He’s obviously given a positive breath sample and probs a blood /urine so he’s bang to rights and almost impossible to get out of . Unless there’s been some procedural cock up ( very rare indeed with DD these days ) or it’s medication linked ( also very very hard to make stick) he’s not got a chance in holy hell of getting off a DD charge it’s as good as absolute . Even the resurrection of the great George Carmen QC wouldn’t change that

[jojomk1]

I think everyone is forgetting you are innocent until proven guilty. Being charged does not mean you are guilty of the offence. Give Ashley the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I specialise in Motoring Law and there are so many ways to challenge a drink drive offence which i wouldn't post on here. But if anyone ever finds themselves in this situation then email me and i will explain all the routes you can go down. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AB pleads not guilty. I challenge everything and he will get himself a good lawyer who will do the same.

Why would anyone challenge a drink driving offence if they knew they had indeed been drinking and failed the breathalyser

Why would anyone try to defend someone who had done such a thing - it's not like a brave knight coming to the aid of the poor and needy

He was on the bench last night which clearly shows the club and manager's stance on the matter

[TheFamilyCat]

I think everyone is forgetting you are innocent until proven guilty. Being charged does not mean you are guilty of the offence. Give Ashley the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I specialise in Motoring Law and there are so many ways to challenge a drink drive offence which i wouldn't post on here. But if anyone ever finds themselves in this situation then email me and i will explain all the routes you can go down. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AB pleads not guilty. I challenge everything and he will get himself a good lawyer who will do the same.

I'll take your story with a pinch of salt as you are a bit of a fantasist, but helping drink drivers escape punishment is a morally questionable way to make a living.

[ksrclaret]

Pushpinpussy is as much a lawyer specialising in motoring offences as I am Burnley’s new striker. Absolute fantasist.

As for Barnes, really poor and I imagine he is beating himself up a lot at the moment. Let’s see what comes of it.

[pushpinpussy]

I'll take your story with a pinch of salt as you are a bit of a fantasist, but helping drink drivers escape punishment is a morally questionable way to make a living.

Email me. ill send you my company details and if anyone else needs any assistance with a motoring offence email me and ill send you my contact details. first consult is always free. i probably have a 80 percent rate of getting drink drivers found not guilty or get them the lesser charge of drunk in charge. Drug drivers probably a 90 percent rate of not guilty. its not about morals. I follow the legislation. if the police or Crown don't then that there problem. I don't break any rules. I apply the law. a positive test at the Police Station means nothing.

[Grumps]

I think everyone is forgetting you are innocent until proven guilty. Being charged does not mean you are guilty of the offence. Give Ashley the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I specialise in Motoring Law and there are so many ways to challenge a drink drive offence which i wouldn't post on here. But if anyone ever finds themselves in this situation then email me and i will explain all the routes you can go down. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AB pleads not guilty. I challenge everything and he will get himself a good lawyer who will do the same.

If indeed you specialise in motoring law, you will know very few people charged with drink driving actually get found not guilty at court, for the reasons the police officer has stated above

If you are that good at getting people acquitted, no doubt you have a collection of press cuttings reporting your successes..... Perhaps you'd like to share a few with us

[Bordeauxclaret]

Email me. ill send you my company details and if anyone else needs any assistance with a motoring offence email me and ill send you my contact details. first consult is always free. i probably have a 80 percent rate of getting drink drivers found not guilty or get them the lesser charge of drunk in charge. Drug drivers probably a 90 percent rate of not guilty. its not about morals. I follow the legislation. if the police or Crown don't then that there problem. I don't break any rules. I apply the law. a positive test at the Police Station means nothing.

Is your name Nick Freeman?

[pushpinpussy]

Seriously I’m not coming on here telling people how to challenge a drink drive offence. But if anyone needs any assistance with any driving matter email me on here personally and I’ll get back to you in 24 hours. I’ll send you my contact details. We can meet in person or over the phone. I can’t get fairer than that. Like I say. Free consult at first and if you don’t require my services I’m more than happy to point you in the right direction.

[Grumps]

Seriously I’m not coming on here telling people how to challenge a drink drive offence. But if anyone needs any assistance with any driving matter email me on here personally and I’ll get back to you in 24 hours. I’ll send you my contact details. We can meet in person or over the phone. I can’t get fairer than that. Like I say. Free consult at first and if you don’t require my services I’m more than happy to point you in the right direction.

Just point us in the direction of your successes.... They will all have been reported in an online paper......

[Belial]

I hate the Sun. Their 'a source said" is basically an excuse to spout whatever bullsh1t they want and make out someone at the club said it

Nevertheless, stupid thing to do and I wouldn't be disappointed if he was let go before next season

[bfcjg]

I wonder if Barnes would have got away with it if he hadn't of got out of the car nudged backwards into the copper pretended to jump then fall over ?
If he has been drinking and driving then he is an irresponsible idiot.

[BurnleyFC]

He’s been very irresponsible and he will have to take whatever punishment comes his way but that doesn’t mean I want him booted out of the club.

He’s still been a terrific player for us.

[Grumps]

I hate the Sun. Their 'a source said" is basically an excuse to spout whatever bullsh1t they want and make out someone at the club said it

Nevertheless, stupid thing to do and I wouldn't be disappointed if he was let go before next season

So the sun are telling lies? It never happened?

[claretonthecoast1882]

He has been an idiot and deserves what ever punishment comes his way through the courts and the fine from the football club.

Those demanding him be sacked I trust would be saying the same if it was one of the highly valued players in the squad and not just a player they want replacing

[Squidgy]

In relation to convictions for drink driving.

Of people charged with that offence between 2005 and 2015 97% were convicted 3% were not convicted!

Stats from drinkdriving.org

[Boss Hogg]

Nobody should be drink driving and he needs hauling before victims relatives to see how this ruins many lives. Some footballers seem to think they are above the law but they are not. When you can afford to hire a private jet to fly you ten miles there really is no excuse and demonstrates really poor character. Anyone who shows delight in getting a drink driver ( and particularly a footballer) off on a technicality lacks moral fibre imo.

[Boss Hogg]

He has been an idiot and deserves what ever punishment comes his way through the courts and the fine from the football club.

Those demanding him be sacked I trust would be saying the same if it was one of the highly valued players in the squad and not just a player they want replacing

Yes plenty of footballers have remained with their clubs. Look at Grealish and what and idiot he was. Think Barnes ( and /or Jay Rod) will be let go on footballing merit.

[Steve1956]

I've just checked pushpinpussy's IP Address....yep he's on Fantasy Island

[Grumps]

In relation to convictions for drink driving.

Of people charged with that offence between 2005 and 2015 97% were convicted 3% were not convicted!

Stats from drinkdriving.org

Exactly what I said, without the figures you've kindly supplied

Our expert solicitor on this thread, given how successful he says he is, must be responsible for those 3% found not guilty.

[Herts Clarets]

In relation to convictions for drink driving.

Of people charged with that offence between 2005 and 2015 97% were convicted 3% were not convicted!

Stats from drinkdriving.org

If only some of that 97% had contacted pushpinpussy they may have kept their licence......

[Colburn_Claret]

Silly lad, it appears out of character, and he'll rightly be punished, by the law and the club.
So long as he learns his lesson.

[SalouClaret]

Email me. ill send you my company details and if anyone else needs any assistance with a motoring offence email me and ill send you my contact details. first consult is always free. i probably have a 80 percent rate of getting drink drivers found not guilty or get them the lesser charge of drunk in charge. Drug drivers probably a 90 percent rate of not guilty. its not about morals. I follow the legislation. if the police or Crown don't then that there problem. I don't break any rules. I apply the law. a positive test at the Police Station means nothing.

Don't think I'd hire anyone who doesn't use capital letters at the start of sentences, sorry pal.

[claretblue]

he was stopped by police on the residential street he lives on.

...sounds likely that the police were 'tipped-off' by someone and waiting for him to complete his journey

[lakedistrictclaret]

I was a defence solicitor for thirty five years until I retired, and have dealt with hundreds of drink-drive cases.
Whilst it is often quite straightforward to get acquittals in drunk in charge trials, I can only recall three occasions where I was successful in a drink-drive trial. They all involved procedural errors by the Police. If the Cheshire Constabulary followed the rules properly, Ashley will almost certainly be fined and disqualified. I'm assuming he wasn't wildly over the limit, or has previous for this.

[Bcrollerz]

Club wont sack him
Hel jus go further down the pecking order or sold

[Belial]

So the sun are telling lies? It never happened?

Of course it happened ....I'm referring to the Sun suggesting they've spoken to a "source"

[pushpinpussy]

In relation to convictions for drink driving.

Of people charged with that offence between 2005 and 2015 97% were convicted 3% were not convicted!

Stats from drinkdriving.org

the issue with those figures Squidgy is that the majority of drink driving offences are not covered by Legal Aid so people just plead guilty at court because they cannot afford a lawyer to look at it for them. people like (AB) who have money will hire a specialist to challenge the charge. The length of disqualification he will receive will not change because he has pleaded not guilty. the only thing that will effect him is that costs will be higher. Again, im not going into it anymore as its a complex area and id rather people contact me personally if they require assistance in any motoring offence. looking forward to helping my fellow clarets.

[lakedistrictclaret]

the issue with those figures Squidgy is that the majority of drink driving offences are not covered by Legal Aid so people just plead guilty at court because they cannot afford a lawyer to look at it for them. people like (AB) who have money will hire a specialist to challenge the charge. The length of disqualification he will receive will not change because he has pleaded not guilty. the only thing that will effect him is that costs will be higher. Again, im not going into it anymore as its a complex area and id rather people contact me personally if they require assistance in any motoring offence. looking forward to helping my fellow clarets.

Are you " Mr. Loophole "?

[NewClaret]

he was stopped by police on the residential street he lives on.

...sounds likely that the police were 'tipped-off' by someone and waiting for him to complete his journey

That's a very good point. Unless he was seen driving erratically and followed back there?

[Steve1956]

the issue with those figures Squidgy is that the majority of drink driving offences are not covered by Legal Aid so people just plead guilty at court because they cannot afford a lawyer to look at it for them. people like (AB) who have money will hire a specialist to challenge the charge. The length of disqualification he will receive will not change because he has pleaded not guilty. the only thing that will effect him is that costs will be higher. Again, im not going into it anymore as its a complex area and id rather people contact me personally if they require assistance in any motoring offence. looking forward to helping my fellow clarets.

Has Ashley been in touch yet,I know he reads this forum...