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over here in the US the most dangerous drivers are all of them ! You would be hard pressed to drop one of them in the UK and find them to be confident or competent. My mates driving test in Washington involved him doing one lap of a car park and a reverse park - they didn't even take him out onto a public road !
My driving test in Dallas lasted 12 minutes
My driving test in Dallas lasted 12 minutes
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I meant speed as amphetamine.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:19 pmSpeed as amphetamine or MPH? Ideally I’d like a society where people don’t take any drugs whilst driving but we are living in a society where people have alsorts of problems & are driving & need to drive whilst not right & you need to mitigate that, banning people isn’t working & as never worked, for certain conditions I think more drugs & higher dosages should be allowed providing its valid & under medical supervision if it can be clearly demonstrated that the measures will reduce the driver accidents & the need for driving is essential.
The rest of this ...... I’m actually lost for words of even trying to reply
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Under medical supervision you have clearly missed, it won’t be our decision, a professional doctor will make that decision, people are already driving on recreational & prescribed drugs I’d like all drivers really to be attending medicals periodically & the DVLA & the NHS to be liaising. It should be a regulated arena.DCWat wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:23 pmYou want more people on higher doses of drugs to be driving, if it can be demonstrated that it’ll make the roads safer?
I wonder where this trial of coked up, pilled up, doped up drivers will take place - I hope they make it public because that’s an area that I’ll try to avoid whilst on my travels.
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I could name a minimum 2 dozen people I know who've done, or do, it regularly.
Currently trying to help a mate get clean, but he has been driving for the last 12 months more under the influence of cocaine than not.
The strangest thing is they aren't really sniffing much cocaine.
Its mainly fillers like paracetamol, other medication and basic things like rat poison.
The actual cocaine content is a very very small %.
If you gave these idiots pure cocaine for them to sniff in the same quantity most of them would OD with the first line.
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You're batshit mental.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:28 pmUnder medical supervision you have clearly missed, it won’t be our decision, a professional doctor will make that decision, people are already driving on recreational & prescribed drugs I’d like all drivers really to be attending medicals periodically & the DVLA & the NHS to be liaising. It should be a regulated arena.
Want a roulette wheel of punishment for criminals yet advocating drug driving..
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You do realise how many drivers there are? Nearly 38 million licenses are out there.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:28 pmUnder medical supervision you have clearly missed, it won’t be our decision, a professional doctor will make that decision, people are already driving on recreational & prescribed drugs I’d like all drivers really to be attending medicals periodically & the DVLA & the NHS to be liaising. It should be a regulated arena.
You’re saying our already overstretched NHS should now assess every driver, along side the DVLA!? What would this be an hours assessment without drugs and an hours dosed up?
Have a look at the number of doctors that would need - you’d surely need to assess everyone, otherwise how would you identify those that do / don’t need ‘topping up’?
If we’re talking about the current vaccination programme being a huge national effort and logistical nightmare, you’re talking a whole new level with this suggestion.
Licenses are already removed under certain conditions by GP’s etc.
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You’re forgetting the whole new 5hitstorm that’s be caused when people start saying “sorry, I didn’t realise this gram of cocaine was stronger than the last stuff I got so I’m over the limit” if anything happens whilst driving and a dr has said they’d be driving at optimum efficiency at .84 grams of Columbian.DCWat wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:47 pmYou do realise how many drivers there are? Nearly 38 million licenses are out there.
You’re saying our already overstretched NHS should now assess every driver, along side the DVLA!? What would this be an hours assessment without drugs and an hours dosed up?
Have a look at the number of doctors that would need - you’d surely need to assess everyone, otherwise how would you identify those that do / don’t need ‘topping up’?
If we’re talking about the current vaccination programme being a huge national effort and logistical nightmare, you’re talking a whole new level with this suggestion.
Licenses are already removed under certain conditions by GP’s etc.
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Fantastic thread. I hope our Ashley has taken the time to read this because I’m sure it would cheer him up no end.
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He's already tapped Jakub up to be his defence counsel.
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Absence of any class from a previous player, and someone who had his own demons too - he certainly shouldn’t be “throwing stones” at Barnes about this with his past.
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Don't worry, Jakub isn't a real person, he's a comedy character created just for this messageboard.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:43 pmMy lord it is scary that there are people out there that believe this kind of rubbish
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Looks like Austin as been on the sniff again!
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I was about to post the same story.... At least the driver won't have been stressed...... Unlike those who have to deal with it.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:05 amhttps://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... e-cocaine/
one for jakub
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Poor man management on behalf of BFC?
Yes, celebrate and have drink but surely lay on a chauffeur or a taxi and insist and instill that in the players.
After all, they're not short of a bob or two.
Yes, celebrate and have drink but surely lay on a chauffeur or a taxi and insist and instill that in the players.
After all, they're not short of a bob or two.
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I hear your point, but people don’t go out and typically use prescribed benzodiazepines for recreational purposes. They typically use weed, or coke.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:35 pmThe laws a ASS, people should & need to operate this “Ton of metal” in a safe & reasonable manner, I’m not favouring people taking drugs wily & nily & driving cars, but if people are safer doing that because of anxiety issues & other issues I’d much rather prefer somebody dropping a low dose of a benzodiazepine than somebody getting behind the wheel shaking like a sh1tting dog.
If some needs an anxiety medication to allow them to drive then they shouldn’t be driving.
Medication affects individuals differently, at the point of an accident how do you accommodate that factor into cause, blame and consequence?
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What I learned from this thread:
Ashley Barnes - bad
Pushpin - deluded
Jakub - proper mental
Up the Clarets!
Ashley Barnes - bad
Pushpin - deluded
Jakub - proper mental
Up the Clarets!
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Plus, the new norms are:SalouClaret wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:01 amWhat I learned from this thread:
Ashley Barnes - bad
Pushpin - deluded
Jakub - proper mental
Up the Clarets!
1/. Guilty until proved innocent.
2/. Trial by media and social media.
God help us.
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TBH Honest I'm surprised the Content on this Thred as Been given the Air time it Has by the Mods. Mmm.....2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:18 amPlus, the new norms are:
1/. Guilty until proved innocent.
2/. Trial by media and social media.
God help us.
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This incident made me think of the 3 Derby players who went on the lash just over a year ago,then got in one car and drove back. There was a serious accident involved where Richard Keogh who was in the back suffered a serious ankle injury. I think Lawrence was driving. Derby allowed Keogh to recover, and continued to pay him, but then offered him a contract on I believe half the previous wage. Keogh refused it and is playing for another club in the Championship or League 1, but last week the courts made the decision that Derby must now pay him £2.5m in compensation. This for going on the lash, acting very irresponsible, and no doubt breaching his contract. To make things even more bizarre the other two players, one of who was driving, were not given the same treatment by Derby County and are still playing on the same terms to pre-accident
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Derby were more interested in the retail value of the 2 players who were given preferential treatment hence why Keogh was viewed as less of a loss.warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:54 amThis incident made me think of the 3 Derby players who went on the lash just over a year ago,then got in one car and drove back. There was a serious accident involved where Richard Keogh who was in the back suffered a serious ankle injury. I think Lawrence was driving. Derby allowed Keogh to recover, and continued to pay him, but then offered him a contract on I believe half the previous wage. Keogh refused it and is playing in the Championship, but last week the courts made the decision that Derby must now pay him £2.5m in compensation. This for going on the lash, acting very irresponsible, and no doubt breaching his conduct. To make things even more bizarre the other two players, one of who was driving, were not given the same treatment by Derby County and are still playing on the same terms to pre-accident
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I accept that, and it has since cost them dearlyGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:56 amDerby were more interested in the retail value of the 2 players who were given preferential treatment hence why Keogh was viewed as less of a loss.
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Ashley Barnes is guilty. There is no trial to determine guilt, he already is guilty and all that awaits is the punishment.2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:18 amPlus, the new norms are:
1/. Guilty until proved innocent.
2/. Trial by media and social media.
God help us.
The only way he will get away with it is if the police contrive to **** it up, but even that wouldn't absolve him of the guilt.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Guilty until proven innocent.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:58 amAshley Barnes is guilty. There is no trial to determine guilt, he already is guilty and all that awaits is the punishment.
The only way he will get away with it is if the police contrive to **** it up, but even that wouldn't absolve him of the guilt.
How do you know he is guilty? Unless, of course you know him personally.
How do you know, how he is going to plead?
Actually I don't want an answer. I don't think we should even be discussing it.
Yes, discuss all you like after the court hearing and sentencing, but not before.
But times and attitudes seem to have changed.
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Because I understand how the process for drink driving works.
He's not going to trial, he's going to find out what his punishment is.
He's not going to trial, he's going to find out what his punishment is.
This is from our resident policeman earlier in the thread.If proven? That’s not how being charged for drink driving works.
He has been stopped by the road side, and suspected of being in charge of a motor vehicle whilst under the influence of alcohol, Barnes has been required to give a specimen of breath for analysis. He has done so, and obviously failed this. This roadside breath test is only preliminary.
Back at the station, Barnes will then have been required to give two more specimens of breath on an EBM. Basically a very large machine that gives two readings. The lower one is taken, and then evidenced in court. This is done in custody and the procedure is quite long. Dependent on the time it takes to travel to custody, the wait time to get into custody, and for the procedure to be carried out means it can easily be 1-2 hours from being stopped to giving your two specimens of breath on the EBM.
Driving offences are absolute. The fact that Barnes has been charged and bailed to court means he’s given at least one specimen over the prescribed limit. He’s guilty of committing the offence.
In my experience, it is never just 2 or 3 beers, because the likelihood is that you will have sobered up in time. The procedure of evidencing drink driving on the EBM is long, so the whole argument that Barnes has been unlucky, only had a couple and been caught out is just plain wrong.
This isn’t a mistake. Barnes has made a conscious decision to drive, under the influence, knowing he shouldn’t have. It’s inexcusable.
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Being mazzed up & stoned & coked up is different, people do use tranquillisers/Valium for recreational uses but because it’s a prescription drug it’s sourced thru the dark web or black market, I’d trust people to drive on low doses of tranquillisers but no other drug really apart from the obvious nicotine caffeine paracetamol ect.Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:54 amI hear your point, but people don’t go out and typically use prescribed benzodiazepines for recreational purposes. They typically use weed, or coke.
If some needs an anxiety medication to allow them to drive then they shouldn’t be driving.
Medication affects individuals differently, at the point of an accident how do you accommodate that factor into cause, blame and consequence?
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The poster has described the procedure. Ashley could challenge many parts of the procedure, he could take it to trial or not even get as far as the trial before this case is discontinued.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:22 amBecause I understand how the process for drink driving works.
He's not going to trial, he's going to find out what his punishment is.
This is from our resident policeman earlier in the thread.
He may plead guilty and learn of his punishment, he may not.
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And take it from me. Depending on what he has said under caution and in interview, he could have said not guilty all the way through. He may have a defence. In which case the hearing would be adjourned and a later hearing date set.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:22 amBecause I understand how the process for drink driving works.
He's not going to trial, he's going to find out what his punishment is.
This is from our resident policeman earlier in the thread.
Pre covid. He could have expected a date in court within a fortnight. Mid June? We'll is that covid or is it to give him time to prepare a defence?
Granted. There aren't many defences for this offence. However, stating someone is guilty just because he has been charged, is a worrying process.
I seem to be in the minority of people who now believe in "innocent until proven guilty"
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I thought your comments on the speeding post some time ago was on the wacky side but this is just another level of wacky. You are either on a massive wind up, 12yr old or just a complete Moonbat. Surely you cannot believe the things you are saying are right?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:28 pmUnder medical supervision you have clearly missed, it won’t be our decision, a professional doctor will make that decision, people are already driving on recreational & prescribed drugs I’d like all drivers really to be attending medicals periodically & the DVLA & the NHS to be liaising. It should be a regulated arena.
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You don’t get interviewed for drink drive.2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:55 amAnd take it from me. Depending on what he has said under caution and in interview, he could have said not guilty all the way through. He may have a defence. In which case the hearing would be adjourned and a later hearing date set.
Pre covid. He could have expected a date in court within a fortnight. Mid June? We'll is that covid or is it to give him time to prepare a defence?
Granted. There aren't many defences for this offence. However, stating someone is guilty just because he has been charged, is a worrying process.
I seem to be in the minority of people who now believe in "innocent until proven guilty"
The only reason you would get interviewed is if there is any doubt who was driving the vehicle at the time it was stopped.
Once Barnes has given his specimens of breath at custody, and dependent on how intoxicated he is, he will be bedded down until the morning, and once sober, brought back to the custody desk for a straight charge.
Because of human error, there is always the possibility of procedural mistakes. On the MGDD forms this could amount to accidentally ticking the wrong box, or missing a signature. But the case wouldn’t get discontinued for a simple mistake like that. The CPS and OIC will review the case before it goes to court to iron out any issues, which for a drink drive case, is rare because they are one of the most straightforward cases you can deal with.
Of course people are innocent until proven guilty, but traffic offences and drink/drug driving are different. Everything is on body worn camera. If Barnes is stopped behind the wheel, and fails the roadside breath test and then the procedure back at the station, then he is bang to rights. There is also CCTV in custody to evidence that the process has been Pace compliant.
In 14 years, I’ve only ever been to court once for someone who plead not guilty to drink driving. His defence was that his diabetes affected the readings on the roadside breath test and EBM. As you can imagine, the Magistrate had a humour bypass.
If Barnes wants to challenge it, and plead not guilty, then good luck to him, that is his right.
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You answer your own argument; it’s a prescription drug, therefore has legal implications if sourced and taken illegally. The law is there to protect.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:27 amBeing mazzed up & stoned & coked up is different, people do use tranquillisers/Valium for recreational uses but because it’s a prescription drug it’s sourced thru the dark web or black market, I’d trust people to drive on low doses of tranquillisers but no other drug really apart from the obvious nicotine caffeine paracetamol ect.
If you want further reading, look the opioid research in the USA. It’s frightening how this has gripped a nations class system.
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Firstly, you contradict your own argument.
Secondly, I beg to differ. Perhaps not in all cases but in some.
I have even been present during such 'interviews'.
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And of course half a dozen Jaeger Bombs to settle the nerves.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:27 amBeing mazzed up & stoned & coked up is different, people do use tranquillisers/Valium for recreational uses but because it’s a prescription drug it’s sourced thru the dark web or black market, I’d trust people to drive on low doses of tranquillisers but no other drug really apart from the obvious nicotine caffeine paracetamol ect.
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Have you got a mate call pushin or something similar?2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:04 pmFirstly, you contradict your own argument.
Secondly, I beg to differ. Perhaps not in all cases but in some.
I have even been present during such 'interviews'.
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If indeed this person is a policeman, I find this worrying.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:22 am
This is from our resident policeman earlier in the thread.
I haven't read his post, but perhaps he could come back on
and correct himself?
Just because the Police/CPS charge you, does not mean you are guilty.
I hope he/you would agree with that?
Without relying on a 'Policeman', what do you think?
Surely the fact that some people 'get off/found innocent/have the charges dropped'
after a drink/drive charge, does this not prove to you, that you are not necessarily 'guilty'?
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Exactly what we need to know
He's someone who pretends to be a solicitor, and comes out with absolute crap.
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Perhaps you should read the post then..2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:11 pmIf indeed this person is a policeman, I find this worrying.
I haven't read his post, but perhaps he could come back on
and correct himself?
Just because the Police/CPS charge you, does not mean you are guilty.
I hope he/you would agree with that?
Without relying on a 'Policeman', what do you think?
Surely the fact that some people 'get off/found innocent/have the charges dropped'
after a drink/drive charge, does this not prove to you, that you are not necessarily 'guilty'?
I think it was found yesterday that 3% is roughly the number of cases of drink driving found not guilty, and those were on procedure being messed up
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Who was the screaming fantasist who was on here insisted he could “ get 80% of drink drivers off” sounds like one of those fluffers for solicitors who gets a % of the fee to represent . Only procedural balls up could get anyone off as the days of incorrectly calibrated machines are long gone . Only way to “ get off” is go for the blood sample option and hope that your level has gone down by then . Though in those cases you’re not charged in the 1st place.
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Why Grumps?
I am merely trying to point out that I believe in all cases and for all charges
that you should be innocent until proved guilty.
Obviously, times seem to be changing and quite a few on here think it's the other way around.
A sentiment I find worrying.
This charge can lead to inprisonment, it's serious.
I believe that you should have the right to state at a court hearing wether you accept the charges or not.
If you do, then it is dealt with there and then.
If you don't, then you have the right to a full hearing where you present your case.
My understanding is that this is indeed what happens.
Many on here, seem to want people charged with this offence, to have that right taken away from them
and the 'punishment' simply doled out at the first and only hearing.
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I haven’t contradicted my own argument.2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:04 pmFirstly, you contradict your own argument.
Secondly, I beg to differ. Perhaps not in all cases but in some.
I have even been present during such 'interviews'.
You don’t routinely get interviewed for drink drive. The only time would be if there is confusion who was driving. I’ve had it before where three lads all exited from the back of a van after a chase. All 3 were interviewed to determine who was driving and therefore who committed the offence of drink drive.
I’m not here looking for an argument, I’m only adding my two pence from what I know about such matters. Feel free to beg to differ, I don’t pretend to be the know everything about everything, and I don’t feel the need to force my opinion on others.
Have a good one.
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Would you like Barnes to get off on a technicality?2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:11 pmIf indeed this person is a policeman, I find this worrying.
I haven't read his post, but perhaps he could come back on
and correct himself?
Just because the Police/CPS charge you, does not mean you are guilty.
I hope he/you would agree with that?
Without relying on a 'Policeman', what do you think?
Surely the fact that some people 'get off/found innocent/have the charges dropped'
after a drink/drive charge, does this not prove to you, that you are not necessarily 'guilty'?
If he has blown over the limit? Which he must have for the charge, then I would rather he held his hand up said sorry and took his punishment. Do the education courses for it and maybe do some charity work for D n D causes.
Then we can all accept it was a big mistake and he's sorry and he's ready to represent the club again.
If he fights it then he's not sorry.
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I agree with everything you say above, however your original post regarding drink drivers being interviewed at the police station was factually wrong, except in the circumstances explained by a met police officer with many years experience2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:28 pmWhy Grumps?
I am merely trying to point out that I believe in all cases and for all charges
that you should be innocent until proved guilty.
Obviously, times seem to be changing and quite a few on here think it's the other way around.
A sentiment I find worrying.
This charge can lead to inprisonment, it's serious.
I believe that you should have the right to state at a court hearing wether you accept the charges or not.
If you do, then it is dealt with there and then.
If you don't, then you have the right to a full hearing where you present your case.
My understanding is that this is indeed what happens.
Many on here, seem to want people charged with this offence, to have that right taken away from them
and the 'punishment' simply doled out at the first and only hearing.
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Does anyone know what he’s actually been charged with, what the level was or even the circumstances?
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Section 4 Road Traffic Act I imagine.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:37 pmDoes anyone know what he’s actually been charged with, what the level was or even the circumstances?
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Since when does that matter on here? People don't need FACTS,they just jump to their own conclusions, right or wrong.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:37 pmDoes anyone know what he’s actually been charged with, what the level was or even the circumstances?