Ashley Barnes arrested

[Jakubclaret]

Personally I’d prefer drivers to be in full control of the vehicle and not under any influence of any substance. If you need to take medication to feel relaxed enough to drive, please do us all a favour and get a bus pass

But some stressed out drivers aren’t in full control, if somebody can take something to make them feel more relaxed why not? It’s all about road SAFETY I think some people are forgetting this, because it doesn’t chime with there own moral code of conduct, stressed out drivers cause accidents not relaxed drivers.

[Grumps]

But some stressed out drivers aren’t in full control, if somebody can take something to make them feel more relaxed why not? It’s all about road SAFETY I think some people are forgetting this, because it doesn’t chime with there own moral code of conduct, stressed out drivers cause accidents not relaxed drivers.

Just to be clear..... Are you suggesting that some drivers should have a drink before they drive, every time?

[Zlatan]

But some stressed out drivers aren’t in full control, if somebody can take something to make them feel more relaxed why not? It’s all about road SAFETY I think some people are forgetting this, because it doesn’t chime with there own moral code of conduct, stressed out drivers cause accidents not relaxed drivers.

Yes, you’re absolutely right it is about SAFETY. It is not safe to take drugs or alcohol to feel confident enough to drive. Do not drive, use a bus or a taxi instead. You may think I’m being harsh, but the realities are that anyone who you have described is a real danger to the rest of us on the road and should accept they cannot drive

[Jakubclaret]

Just to be clear..... Are you suggesting that some drivers should have a drink before they drive, every time?

Yes IF it ultimately makes them SAFER drivers if it doesn’t NO, my 100% number 1 concern is ROAD SAFETY nothing else.

[ClaretAndJew]

Forget drink driving, some people should stop drink posting.

[Zlatan]

Yes IF it ultimately makes them SAFER drivers if it doesn’t NO, my 100% number 1 concern is ROAD SAFETY nothing else.

Please take a step back and listen to yourself. It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be safer if you have had alcohol. If you are deluded enough to believe what you’re saying then you are also dangerous (not in a good way)

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And with that, we’ve reached peak Jakubclaret.

You may want to rethink this, it appears he was only at the lower peak... He's set off for the upper one

"We've reached peak Jakubclaret"

Jakubclaret - hold my beer...

[AlargeClaret]

There’s a driving “ sweet spot” of around 6 pints - Alan Partridge

[boatshed bill]

Just to be clear..... Are you suggesting that some drivers should have a drink before they drive, every time?

Well it is within their legal right to do, so if they feel comfortable with it then who's to say otherwise?
i think it's odd, but it's not against the law, providing they are below the legal limit

[Tribesmen]

Boy this thread is going off on one .

I think you cant drink and drive which is the bottom line , now make the choice .

[dougcollins]

There’s a driving “ sweet spot” of around 6 pints - Alan Partridge

If you can't find your car, you've probably had too much.

[box_of_frogs]

Millions of people suffer from anxiety through no fault of their own, are you suggesting people with anxiety or suffering lack of confidence should be deprived from the privilege of driving, the roads are dangerous with sober drivers taking unnecessary risks when people are relaxed you can make decisions correctly I think. I’d prefer somebody on the road who’s had a pint or 2 than somebody teetotal.

Yes. If they can’t drive the in a safe manner without ‘shaking’ the as crap as it seems, they shouldn’t drive. Driving isn’t a right. It’s earned. Ditto for old people. Make them retake a test at circa 70-75.

[fatboy47]

Probably a hundred or so posters on this thread who speed regularly...something that kills just as many folk as drink driving...

[Jakubclaret]

Well it is within their legal right to do, so if they feel comfortable with it then who's to say otherwise?
i think it's odd, but it's not against the law, providing they are below the legal limit

Exactly that’s what some people don’t understand, we need more relaxed drivers on the road, but for some strange unknown reason the preference seems to be with some stressed out sober drivers, why anybody in there right mind wouldn’t prefer a relaxed driver as opposed to a stressed out driver, god only knows, judging off this thread me & my vehicle is staying well away from Burnley.

[evensteadiereddie]

I don’t even know where to begin with this. I’m flabbergasted.

Most if not all coppers, including myself, acknowledge the ambiguity that comes with the law as it is. It is far simpler just to make the limit zero, and then everyone knows where they stand.

I don’t really have the inclination to start recounting the road accidents I’ve been to that have involved drink or drugs. I’ve seen enough blood to last me a lifetime.

All I will say is if you’re going to have a drink and then drive, just be bloody careful. There is no doubt that even drinking 1 or 2 pints dulls the senses and slows your reaction time.

That's interesting. Not being personal, Tsar,and it's not a loaded question in any way whatsoever but do you sometimes drink and drive legally or have your experiences turned you against mixing even the smallest amount of alcohol and driving ?

On a slightly different tack, I have a mate who used to man one of the signal boxes just outside Lichfield and he and his colleagues were absolutely forbidden any alcohol 24 hours before signing on for work. No excuses. Make of that what you will.

[dougcollins]

Exactly that’s what some people don’t understand, we need more relaxed drivers on the road, but for some strange unknown reason the preference seems to be with some stressed out sober drivers, why anybody in there right mind wouldn’t prefer a relaxed driver as opposed to a stressed out driver, god only knows, judging off this thread me & my vehicle is staying well away from Burnley.

I'll vote for that.

[boatshed bill]

I'll vote for that.

i'm far more concerned about cocaine users on our roads right now.
How long does it affect performance, and is it detectable the morning after a session?

[evensteadiereddie]

"How's that drunk driver that wrapped his car around the tree ?"

"Relaxed. His cremation's next week...."

[ksrclaret]

me & my vehicle is staying well away from Burnley.

That’s okay, you’ll still have heard the collective sigh of relief...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

i'm far more concerned about cocaine users on our roads right now.
How long does it affect performance, and is it detectable the morning after a session?

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Detectable for approx 2 days I think it is.

[TheFamilyCat]

Exactly that’s what some people don’t understand, we need more relaxed drivers on the road, but for some strange unknown reason the preference seems to be with some stressed out sober drivers, why anybody in there right mind wouldn’t prefer a relaxed driver as opposed to a stressed out driver, god only knows, judging off this thread me & my vehicle is staying well away from Burnley.

I know this is a dangerous game, but here goes....

By your reckoning every driver who is sober is stressed out and nobody who is under the influence of drink or drugs is stressed or aggressive, right?

[timshorts]

On a slightly different tack, I have a mate who used to man one of the signal boxes just outside Lichfield and he and his colleagues were absolutely forbidden any alcohol 24 hours before signing on for work. No excuses. Make of that what you will.

Had a bit of catching up to do when his shift started then?

[Devils_Advocate]

i'm far more concerned about cocaine users on our roads right now.
How long does it affect performance, and is it detectable the morning after a session?

Good stuff and a fat line will probably last an hour or two but to maintain a high level of performance the driver will need to keep topping up. I very much doubt they'd see any benefits the next day mind unless its proper rocket fuel and they proper smashed it.

[Bosscat]

Good stuff and a fat line will probably last an hour or two but to maintain a high level of performance the driver will need to keep topping up. I very much doubt they'd see any benefits the next day mind unless its proper rocket fuel and they proper smashed it.

[ClaretAndJew]

If you get too high off cocaine just take a few sleeping tablets to balance yourself out before you drive home.

[claret2018]

I thought the posters trying to defend racism on the booing thread was about as low as it gets, but here we have people literally defending drink driving.

[Bosscat]

I thought the posters trying to defend racism on the booing thread was about as low as it gets, but here we have people literally defending drink driving.

You could not make it up

[TsarBomba]

That's interesting. Not being personal, Tsar,and it's not a loaded question in any way whatsoever but do you sometimes drink and drive legally or have your experiences turned you against mixing even the smallest amount of alcohol and driving ?

On a slightly different tack, I have a mate who used to man one of the signal boxes just outside Lichfield and he and his colleagues were absolutely forbidden any alcohol 24 hours before signing on for work. No excuses. Make of that what you will.

I haven’t had a drink for 4 years (since my eldest was born). I haven’t drunk with any sort of regularity in say 10+ years. Probably 15-20 years ago, I would have a session and drive the next day. But being in my teens, I was ignorant to the effects of alcohol even a day later.

I get that people fancy a pint or two after work, and then jump in the car for convenience, thinking they’ll be ok.

Chances are you might be under the limit, but there’s no doubting your reactions and senses have been adversely affected. That’s without question.

I just don’t think it’s worth taking that risk. Of course, everything in life comes with an element of risk but this is something you can control.

[Vegas Claret]

interesting to know if those defending it with the "legality argument" would be happy for train drivers, aircraft pilots etc to have the same amount of "legal" alcohol in their bloodstream as car drivers do ? (they aren't allowed btw)

[ClaretAndJew]

My heart surgeon had a few whiskeys before the surgery and I'm here to tell the tale.

[boatshed bill]

interesting to know if those defending it with the "legality argument" would be happy for train drivers, aircraft pilots etc to have the same amount of "legal" alcohol in their bloodstream as car drivers do ? (they aren't allowed btw)

Quite rightly.
i'm not sure anyone is allowed to have alcohol either in their body or on the premises while at work...
oops, except publicans and their staff, I suppose

[duncandisorderly]

If there was more drinking and less driving the world would be a better place.

[Vegas Claret]

If there was more drinking and less driving the world would be a better place.

post of the thread !

[randomclaret2]

Some truly remarkable comments on this thread

[Claret_tinted]

But some stressed out drivers aren’t in full control, if somebody can take something to make them feel more relaxed why not? It’s all about road SAFETY I think some people are forgetting this, because it doesn’t chime with there own moral code of conduct, stressed out drivers cause accidents not relaxed drivers.

No it’s about the LAW. You shouldn’t drink or take drugs and then operate a ton of metal.

Peoples lives are ruined when things go wrong

[Burnleyareback2]

I certainly can’t condone him and unlike a lot of the posters on here I only have the details released by the club and I all I know of Ashley Barnes is what I see of him in interviews or on the pitch.

Thank god nobody was harmed by his stupid choice, something I’d expect he is also thinking.

I dread to think what he must be going through right now mentally.

I hope there is a way through this and it’s handled in the appropriate manner.

[Jakubclaret]

No it’s about the LAW. You shouldn’t drink or take drugs and then operate a ton of metal.

Peoples lives are ruined when things go wrong

The laws a ASS, people should & need to operate this “Ton of metal” in a safe & reasonable manner, I’m not favouring people taking drugs wily & nily & driving cars, but if people are safer doing that because of anxiety issues & other issues I’d much rather prefer somebody dropping a low dose of a benzodiazepine than somebody getting behind the wheel shaking like a sh1tting dog.

[DCWat]

Are there a lot driving around on cocaine? It’s rife everywhere so I assume there probably are, but I’d not know it.

Travelling round the UK a lot, it’s amazing just how many cars I drive behind and you can smell the weed that they’re smoking whilst driving.

A quick nosey on the DVLA website suggests: “ Typically it is said that drinking just two pints of a regular-strength lager or two small glasses of wine will put you over the limit to drive.”

As for Barnes, he’s obviously been very stupid and must take any punishments that will come his way, in court and by the club.

[Burnley Ace]

Read the interest of justice part of the attached, then remove your laughing faces

https://www.drinkdriving.org/drink_driv ... _guide.php

Have you ever tried to apply for legal aid for a drink driving case? You do realise this is a website run by a solicitors firm? I won’t remove the laughing face because I’m still laughing at you.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The laws a ASS, people should & need to operate this “Ton of metal” in a safe & reasonable manner, I’m not favouring people taking drugs wily & nily & driving cars, but if people are safer doing that because of anxiety issues & other issues I’d much rather prefer somebody dropping a low dose of a benzodiazepine than somebody getting behind the wheel shaking like a sh1tting dog.

My lord it is scary that there are people out there that believe this kind of rubbish

[TsarBomba]

Are there a lot driving around on cocaine? It’s rife everywhere so I assume there probably are, but I’d not know it.

Travelling round the UK a lot, it’s amazing just how many cars I drive behind and you can smell the weed that they’re smoking whilst driving.

A quick nosey on the DVLA website suggests: “ Typically it is said that drinking just two pints of a regular-strength lager or two small glasses of wine will put you over the limit to drive.”

As for Barnes, he’s obviously been very stupid and must take any punishments that will come his way, in court and by the club.

Yeah, it’s huge.

On the radio, I hear more cell space requested for drug drive than drink drive these days.

[Jakubclaret]

My lord it is scary that there are people out there that believe this kind of rubbish

I want less accidents & fatalities on the roads & stressed out drivers is not the right way to achieve that, people on downers & sedative type of drugs have a tendency to be slow & hesitant but the imperative upside is to be relaxed & not nervous, you can’t kill somebody really at a slow speed well it’s more unlikely.

[DCWat]

Yeah, it’s huge.

On the radio, I hear more cell space requested for drug drive than drink drive these days.

Frightening, but I’m not surprised.

The drug problem now seems to be out of control. Back in my day, people went to clubs to partake in their chosen poison. Nowadays, you’ll see people snorting it alongside a pint in the local (and often decent) boozer.

Something needs to be done about it, though it’s probably a losing battle. The obvious to the ‘man in the street’ must be blatant to the police so I can only assume it’s tactical that very little seems to be done.

I’ve every respect for you - it’s a thankless task a lot of the time and I can imagine it gets massively frustrating. A friend of mine left the force because of those very frustrations.

[bfccrazy]

I want less accidents & fatalities on the roads & stressed out drivers is not the right way to achieve that, people on downers & sedative type of drugs have a tendency to be slow & hesitant but the imperative upside is to be relaxed & not nervous, you can’t kill somebody really at a slow speed well it’s more unlikely.

What about killing somebody whilst driving on speed.

[bfccrazy]

Frightening, but I’m not surprised.

The drug problem now seems to be out of control. Back in my day, people went to clubs to partake in their chosen poison. Nowadays, you’ll see people snorting it alongside a pint in the local (and often decent) boozer.

Something needs to be done about it, though it’s probably a losing battle. The obvious to the ‘man in the street’ must be blatant to the police so I can only assume it’s tactical that very little seems to be done.

I’ve every respect for you - it’s a thankless task a lot of the time and I can imagine it gets massively frustrating. A friend of mine left the force because of those very frustrations.

It is mental how rife it is now.

I used to enjoy partaking whilst at a rave etc when younger but have mates in their 30/40s who can’t plan to meet up for a pint in the local or a few beers for a catch up without turning up with a bag in their pocket.

Then disappearing for half hour to get more half way through the night.

[DCWat]

I want less accidents & fatalities on the roads & stressed out drivers is not the right way to achieve that, people on downers & sedative type of drugs have a tendency to be slow & hesitant but the imperative upside is to be relaxed & not nervous, you can’t kill somebody really at a slow speed well it’s more unlikely.

I’m yet to see this raft of drivers that are shaking like a shiteing dog! OK, so there are some drivers who are better than others and those that are more confident than others, but advocating SSRIs or worse still alcohol as the solution is bat **** mental.

A person with anxiety or depression doesn’t make a bad or nervous driver, a nervous driver doesn’t necessarily need anti-depressants. Neither do we need confidence in a bottle drivers, who I would be even more dangerous.

Nervous drivers may be a bugbear of yours - hopefully you afford them a little patience and courtesy as that will certainly help with their nervousness. I’d actually argue that overconfident drivers can be far more dangerous on the roads.

[Jakubclaret]

What about killing somebody whilst driving on speed.

Speed as amphetamine or MPH? Ideally I’d like a society where people don’t take any drugs whilst driving but we are living in a society where people have alsorts of problems & are driving & need to drive whilst not right & you need to mitigate that, banning people isn’t working & as never worked, for certain conditions I think more drugs & higher dosages should be allowed providing its valid & under medical supervision if it can be clearly demonstrated that the measures will reduce the driver accidents & the need for driving is essential.

[DCWat]

It is mental how rife it is now.

I used to enjoy partaking whilst at a rave etc when younger but have mates in their 30/40s who can’t plan to meet up for a pint in the local or a few beers for a catch up without turning up with a bag in their pocket.

Then disappearing for half hour to get more half way through the night.

What’s happened to just going for a pint or ten!? Has doing that become so boring that it’s not worth it without a bag of Columbia’s finest marching powder?

It’s bizarre - doing that in your local is like taking a dump on your own doorstep. It’s just another reason that pubs are dying.

Why the hell would your regular mix of local people of different ages want to head down to their local pub to see a bunch of idiots snorting Coke and cock sure of themselves.

As you say - clubs were the place for all that, not too many moons ago.

[bfccrazy]

Nervous drivers may be a bugbear of yours - hopefully you afford them a little patience and courtesy as that will certainly help with their nervousness. I’d actually argue that overconfident drivers can be far more dangerous on the roads.

This is a very good point - I find it quite easy to just ease off and keep a bit of distance from what I view as a nervous driver and give them a bit of space so I don’t get frustrated with their indecisions etc....

A bigger and more dangerous annoyance for me though are the drivers who are overly confident and will fly about at silly speeds and trust themselves too much without a care for the problems being caused to those other cars around them.

[DCWat]

Speed as amphetamine or MPH? Ideally I’d like a society where people don’t take any drugs whilst driving but we are living in a society where people have alsorts of problems & are driving & need to drive whilst not right & you need to mitigate that, banning people isn’t working & as never worked, for certain conditions I think more drugs & higher dosages should be allowed providing its valid & under medical supervision if it can be clearly demonstrated that the measures will reduce the driver accidents & the need for driving is essential.

You want more people on higher doses of drugs to be driving, if it can be demonstrated that it’ll make the roads safer?

I wonder where this trial of coked up, pilled up, doped up drivers will take place - I hope they make it public because that’s an area that I’ll try to avoid whilst on my travels.