Ben white called up to england

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 8:54 am

As per the title. Would be shocked if Tarks doesn’t at least make this large selection now.

JohnMac
Posts: 7181
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 pm
Been Liked: 2367 times
Has Liked: 3781 times
Location: Padiham

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by JohnMac » Tue May 25, 2021 9:06 am

I would be very surprised if he was called up as recent squads show Tarky is not in the plans for England either now or in the future.

beddie
Posts: 5135
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:10 pm
Been Liked: 1383 times
Has Liked: 511 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by beddie » Tue May 25, 2021 9:15 am

I like White and hoped two seasons ago we might have tried to bring him in.

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by jojomk1 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:30 am

An excellent player over the last two seasons and also very versatile covering midfield as well as defense

Hate to say it, but he has shown himself to be better than JT this season

Zlatan
Posts: 5458
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:06 pm
Been Liked: 2229 times
Has Liked: 5739 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Zlatan » Tue May 25, 2021 9:39 am

Who’s Ben White? And where is he in all the “best of the Premier League” teams I keep seeing Tarky in?

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14566
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:54 am

Stats wise Tarks has better numbers defensively buy a decent margin.

However White passes it a bit more which is probably what Southgate wants as he's prioritising passing over defensive capability.

A summer of rest for Tarks is better for us anyway, but also if he really wants to move he can crack on and get that done and out of the way early in the window.
These 2 users liked this post: Zlatan MT03ALG

Bcrollerz
Posts: 171
Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:32 pm
Been Liked: 25 times
Has Liked: 10 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Bcrollerz » Tue May 25, 2021 10:19 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 9:54 am
Stats wise Tarks has better numbers defensively buy a decent margin.

However White passes it a bit more which is probably what Southgate wants as he's prioritising passing over defensive capability.

A summer of rest for Tarks is better for us anyway, but also if he really wants to move he can crack on and get that done and out of the way early in the window.
Stats wise tarky has better stats than Harry Maguire
Attachments
Screenshot_20210525-101939_Facebook.jpg
Screenshot_20210525-101939_Facebook.jpg (342.4 KiB) Viewed 4022 times

gandhisflipflop
Posts: 5500
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:05 pm
Been Liked: 2317 times
Has Liked: 1399 times
Location: Costa del Padihamos beach.

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue May 25, 2021 10:24 am

I reckon what we should do is pick 22 players and then just pick a random bloke off the street and play him. It would add entertainment value :)

TheFamilyCat
Posts: 10843
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
Been Liked: 5521 times
Has Liked: 208 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue May 25, 2021 10:33 am

Amazing that a central defender only makes 29 tackles in a season.

Zlatan
Posts: 5458
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:06 pm
Been Liked: 2229 times
Has Liked: 5739 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Zlatan » Tue May 25, 2021 10:37 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 10:24 am
I reckon what we should do is pick 22 players and then just pick a random bloke off the street and play him. It would add entertainment value :)
ooooh pick me... fat bloke approaching 50... John Smiths ad comes to mind - Av it...! :D
This user liked this post: gandhisflipflop

JohnMac
Posts: 7181
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 pm
Been Liked: 2367 times
Has Liked: 3781 times
Location: Padiham

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by JohnMac » Tue May 25, 2021 10:39 am

29 tackles because the ball generally is in the other half of the pitch. For balance we conceded more goals than Fulham. Stats are irrelevant if you want them to be in your favour.
These 2 users liked this post: DAVETHEVICAR MT03ALG

Spijed
Posts: 17112
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 2892 times
Has Liked: 1294 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Spijed » Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 am

Being good at defending isn't that important in the modern game, likewise shot stopping for a goal keeper.

Distribution is seen as more important

warksclaret
Posts: 6594
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
Been Liked: 1676 times
Has Liked: 754 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by warksclaret » Tue May 25, 2021 11:05 am

Ben White is a terrific prospect. He should replace Dyer in the squad who is technically there because he can play defensive midfield and CH. Dyer is simply not good enough, based on this seasons form with Tottenham, to be a defender for England in the Euros

claretandy
Posts: 4751
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 953 times
Has Liked: 238 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by claretandy » Tue May 25, 2021 11:24 am

Spijed wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 am
Being good at defending isn't that important in the modern game, likewise shot stopping for a goal keeper.

Distribution is seen as more important
I'd love to see some stats on how many goals are scored from playing out from the keeper, compared to how many are conceded trying to do it and failing.

Woodleyclaret
Posts: 6889
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 1468 times
Has Liked: 1839 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue May 25, 2021 12:16 pm

Southgate has no idea .Ben Mee and Tàrks are streets ahead but Brighton are a media darling team so its compulsory to pick their players.Llllalllana will probably get the call soon and Welbeck

Claretitus
Posts: 1257
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:39 pm
Been Liked: 327 times
Has Liked: 199 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Claretitus » Tue May 25, 2021 12:21 pm

And don’t forget that big lummox from Villa, Mings. How he even gets near the squad is a joke.

Claret_tinted
Posts: 233
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:19 am
Been Liked: 43 times
Has Liked: 69 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue May 25, 2021 12:27 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 10:39 am
29 tackles because the ball generally is in the other half of the pitch. For balance we conceded more goals than Fulham. Stats are irrelevant if you want them to be in your favour.
This needs reading by all those above!!

IanMcL
Posts: 30129
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:27 pm
Been Liked: 6340 times
Has Liked: 8654 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by IanMcL » Tue May 25, 2021 12:31 pm

A manager always preferring youth to experience, will never mature a side capable of winning tournaments.

When you look at Alfred Ramsey's 66 side, Jack Charlton was there for a purpose. Jimmy Greaves was there for a purpose, Nobby Stiles, similarly. Not always most accomplished but best at what they did. Greaves didn't run or close down. Just scored goals.

He added one or two youn, different, energy players to complete the blend of accomplished footballers, mature and best in position and youth with energy.

Alan Ball and Martin Peters come to mind.

Southgate plays them too early, it must go to their head and then they lose form and never quite recover.
The list is endless.

John Stones is a classic, still learning and very fallible player, who messes up by over complicating.

Never mind, someone will catch the eye. There is always another tournament!

claretandy
Posts: 4751
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 953 times
Has Liked: 238 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by claretandy » Tue May 25, 2021 12:36 pm

Godfrey has been called up as well, no chance Tarks gets called up now.

minnieclaret
Posts: 6842
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
Been Liked: 2012 times
Has Liked: 2287 times
Location: lismore co. waterford

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by minnieclaret » Tue May 25, 2021 1:32 pm

The Southgate/ Tarkowski issue has to be personal. There is no way on Earth some chosen are better than our man.
I really hope England fail at the group stage and we get shut of this guy.

tiger76
Posts: 25697
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:43 pm
Been Liked: 4644 times
Has Liked: 9849 times
Location: Glasgow

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 25, 2021 1:36 pm

No Tarks as expected TBH, and also no Michael Keane, Tripps however does make the initial cut.

Burnley1989
Posts: 7346
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
Been Liked: 2275 times
Has Liked: 2154 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue May 25, 2021 1:38 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 11:24 am
I'd love to see some stats on how many goals are scored from playing out from the keeper, compared to how many are conceded trying to do it and failing.
I get where you are coming from, but we also score less as we have less possession

timshorts
Posts: 2534
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:52 pm
Been Liked: 410 times
Has Liked: 307 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by timshorts » Tue May 25, 2021 1:38 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 12:16 pm
Southgate has no idea .Ben Mee and Tàrks are streets ahead but Brighton are a media darling team so its compulsory to pick their players.Llllalllana will probably get the call soon
Llllalllana is clearly Welsh - and we might need him, so hands off. Of course, Lewes Dunk is from a town just North East of Brighton, so you can have him. We are also claiming Matt Fydrau.

Chester Perry
Posts: 19169
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:06 am
Been Liked: 3115 times
Has Liked: 481 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 25, 2021 1:43 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 10:33 am
Amazing that a central defender only makes 29 tackles in a season.
Paolo Maldini's view on tackling - it is a shame the article is from the Sun

DEFENDER'S DREAM Paolo Maldini: The defender so good, he didn’t even need to make a tackle
Italian legend spent his entire career at AC Milan but he rarely put a foot in as he averaged only 0.56 challenges per game

DAVE FRASER
11:06, 12 Apr 2016 Updated: 8:47, 9 Jun 2016

“If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”

That is the sentiment of Italy legend Paolo Maldini.

At first glance, it seems like an odd thing to say as one of the greatest defenders in footballing history.

When you think of defending, your mind tends to think of getting stuck into a good, old-fashioned tackle.

But, the one-club man, 47 — who spent his entire career at AC Milan — averaged only 0.56 challenges per game during his career.

It’s staggering to think that Maldini achieved what he did, without ever really needing to lunge in.

It speaks volumes for a man whose positioning and ability to read the game was second to none.

So let’s go back to that line: “If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”

It’s a sentiment echoed by Bayern Munich and former Liverpool and Real Madrid holding midfielder Xabi Alonso.

He said: “I don’t think tackling is a quality. It is something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game.

“I can’t get into my head that football development would educate tackling as a quality, something to learn, to teach, a characteristic of your play.

“How can that be a way of seeing the game? I just don’t understand football in those terms.

“Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn’t a quality to aspire to, a definition.

“It’s hard to change because it’s so rooted in the English football culture, but I don’t understand it.”

Well, Alonso’s way of thinking is definitely the way Maldini looked at the game.

The left-footed Italian went about playing the beautiful game as if it were a chess match — eyeing up his opponents and plotting their moves well before they happened.

His ability to be in the right place, at the right time is something lacking in the modern game.

For instance, the top defenders in the Premier League this season are averaging between four and five tackles per game — hardly massive numbers, but it’s nearly TEN times more than Maldini ever needed.

And look what he achieved in the game...

902 appearances for AC Milan, 126 international caps for Italy, five Champions League trophies, seven Serie A titles, five Super Cups, five Supercoppa Italiana and more personal gongs than you could shake a stick at.

I could go on, but we would be here all day; his record as a footballer is almost unsurpassable — particularly by a fellow defender.

Ultimately, the best way to sum up Maldini could be the world ‘elegant’.

To read the game like he did, to break up the play like he did and start an attack with his ability to pass the ball without ever needing to tackle like he did?

It’s something we may never see on a football pitch again.

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14566
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:09 pm

Southgate is focusing on versatility, hence why someone like Tarks has missed out.

KRBFC
Posts: 18018
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 3784 times
Has Liked: 1071 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 25, 2021 2:13 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 12:16 pm
Southgate has no idea .Ben Mee and Tàrks are streets ahead but Brighton are a media darling team so its compulsory to pick their players.Llllalllana will probably get the call soon and Welbeck
Brighton are a media darling? lmaooo since when?

KRBFC
Posts: 18018
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 3784 times
Has Liked: 1071 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 25, 2021 2:15 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 12:21 pm
And don’t forget that big lummox from Villa, Mings. How he even gets near the squad is a joke.
Why? he's one of the better options in the squad, has always played well for England.

KRBFC
Posts: 18018
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:18 am
Been Liked: 3784 times
Has Liked: 1071 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 25, 2021 2:17 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 1:32 pm
The Southgate/ Tarkowski issue has to be personal. There is no way on Earth some chosen are better than our man.
I really hope England fail at the group stage and we get shut of this guy.
Spoiler, it's not personal, there are better younger options.

Vegas Claret
Posts: 30275
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
Been Liked: 10917 times
Has Liked: 5594 times
Location: clue is in the title

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 25, 2021 2:28 pm

southgate out

ClaretAndJew
Posts: 8020
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:08 am
Been Liked: 2814 times
Has Liked: 503 times
Location: Earth

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue May 25, 2021 2:42 pm

People really take the England selection personally.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 1:32 pm
The Southgate/ Tarkowski issue has to be personal. There is no way on Earth some chosen are better than our man.
I really hope England fail at the group stage and we get shut of this guy.
Who is Tarks better than of the players selected?

I would argue similar quality. People have to take into consideration style of play. Tarks is in one of the most protected CB roles in the league. He plays in a deep block that defends with 9 men most games. That is simply not how England play.

Tarks is a monster in our set up but I think we have seen it on a number of occasions this season, that when the defence is stretched he usually concedes a number of goals.

Taffy on the wing
Posts: 4600
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
Been Liked: 1020 times
Has Liked: 3163 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue May 25, 2021 3:05 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 2:09 pm
Southgate is focusing on versatility, hence why someone like Tarks has missed out.
So he can play everyone in an unnatural position, they can then pass the ball around aimlessly without any real idea of what they should be doing....eventually going back to Pitchfork to start the process over again.

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14566
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 25, 2021 3:15 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 3:05 pm
So he can play everyone in an unnatural position, they can then pass the ball around aimlessly without any real idea of what they should be doing....eventually going back to Pitchfork to start the process over again.
Not really no.

Some players are versatile and they've done it for their clubs.
In the past, versatility wasn't an encouraged trait, but now it is and as Southgate said this afternoon, it allows the formation to be changed depending on the opposition

claretcarrot93
Posts: 720
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:59 pm
Been Liked: 394 times
Has Liked: 77 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue May 25, 2021 3:24 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm
Who is Tarks better than of the players selected?

I would argue similar quality. People have to take into consideration style of play. Tarks is in one of the most protected CB roles in the league. He plays in a deep block that defends with 9 men most games. That is simply not how England play.

Tarks is a monster in our set up but I think we have seen it on a number of occasions this season, that when the defence is stretched he usually concedes a number of goals.
All of them bar Maguire and Stones. He is miles ahead of Coady/Mings/White/Godfrey. Dunk/Tomori/Konsa and Keane are better than them as well.
Southgate has picked the second best Brighton/Everton and Villa English defenders. Thats how bad it is.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 4:00 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 3:24 pm
All of them bar Maguire and Stones. He is miles ahead of Coady/Mings/White/Godfrey. Dunk/Tomori/Konsa and Keane are better than them as well.
Southgate has picked the second best Brighton/Everton and Villa English defenders. Thats how bad it is.
I could argue he is better than coady, but I think Mings, White and Godfrey have all proven they can play in the style/tactics Southgate wants.

Taffy on the wing
Posts: 4600
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
Been Liked: 1020 times
Has Liked: 3163 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue May 25, 2021 4:41 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 3:15 pm
Not really no.

Some players are versatile and they've done it for their clubs.
In the past, versatility wasn't an encouraged trait, but now it is and as Southgate said this afternoon, it allows the formation to be changed depending on the opposition
I predict mind numbingly boring football....followed by a quarter final exit! (at best).
Southgate to resign.

GodIsADeeJay81
Posts: 14566
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
Been Liked: 3435 times
Has Liked: 6339 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 25, 2021 4:48 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:41 pm
I predict mind numbingly boring football....followed by a quarter final exit! (at best).
Southgate to resign.
I assume you won't be watching it then

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 4:57 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:41 pm
I predict mind numbingly boring football....followed by a quarter final exit! (at best).
Southgate to resign.
This is literally the most successful football we have played in over 20 years?

I am assuming you must be enthralled by the football we have played this season if you find the football England play boring.

JarrowClaret
Posts: 1475
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:04 pm
Been Liked: 341 times
Has Liked: 194 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by JarrowClaret » Tue May 25, 2021 4:57 pm

He is highly rated the strange thing for me is why didn’t Lewis Dunk get in instead of him he is clearly currently the better defender of them 2 anyway. For what it is worth I think Southgate doesn’t rate Tarky it is an opinion he is entitled too I don’t agree but I won’t be calling him because of it.

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by jojomk1 » Tue May 25, 2021 5:05 pm

Bit of an unbalanced squad
12 defenders with four right backs/wing backs
10 forwards
7 midfielders

OK, it's going to be trimmed down but not in midfield
12 defenders suggests a back three plus wing backs so doubt TAA and another RB will make the final squad along with Godfrey
Saka and Watkins also likely to miss out and I would take Grealish over Sancho
Last one to miss out for me would, based on current form, be Sterling

Spijed
Posts: 17112
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:33 pm
Been Liked: 2892 times
Has Liked: 1294 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Spijed » Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:57 pm
This is literally the most successful football we have played in over 20 years?

I am assuming you must be enthralled by the football we have played this season if you find the football England play boring.
Surely the only aim of being in a tournament is to win it, nothing else.

No one will ultimately care how England play if they with the Euro Championships.

CBT
Posts: 799
Joined: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:23 pm
Been Liked: 108 times
Has Liked: 26 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by CBT » Tue May 25, 2021 5:20 pm

What's the best starting xi from that squad?
Pickford
Tripper Walker Maguire Chilwell
Rice Mount
Foden
Sterling Grealish
Kane

Thoughts?

Woodleyclaret
Posts: 6889
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
Been Liked: 1468 times
Has Liked: 1839 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

The media pick the England team Southgate follows sheeplike
Dont forget White played for Leeds = quality
Tarks and Ben Mee have been top defenders for the last two years yet get overlooked
Henderson and Maguire who are injured get name in the squad
Total nonsense and without Englands No1 Nick ,England have no chance .

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 5:56 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm
Surely the only aim of being in a tournament is to win it, nothing else.

No one will ultimately care how England play if they with the Euro Championships.
Exactly, that’s why you have to trust the manager that gave us our best finish in my lifetime.

The fact that no pros/pundits are even highlighting Tarks as an option tells you everything you need to know.

He’s a monster in a deep block defence. I don’t think he could play in a defence that plays further up the pitch with little cover.

Newcastleclaret93
Posts: 11039
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:29 pm
Been Liked: 1559 times
Has Liked: 359 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 25, 2021 5:57 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm
The media pick the England team Southgate follows sheeplike
Dont forget White played for Leeds = quality
Tarks and Ben Mee have been top defenders for the last two years yet get overlooked
Henderson and Maguire who are injured get name in the squad
Total nonsense and without Englands No1 Nick ,England have no chance .
You do know only Man City conceded less goals from open play this season than Brighton? White has had a good season. Surprised he was picked over Tarks but can understand why.

Taffy on the wing
Posts: 4600
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
Been Liked: 1020 times
Has Liked: 3163 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:57 pm
This is literally the most successful football we have played in over 20 years?

I am assuming you must be enthralled by the football we have played this season if you find the football England play boring.
Absolute dross!......unless you're counting the thrashings of San Marino etc.
There's no settled team and half the players are terrified of making a mistake.
We have some good players but the manager is clueless IMO.

Taffy on the wing
Posts: 4600
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:41 am
Been Liked: 1020 times
Has Liked: 3163 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue May 25, 2021 6:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:48 pm
I assume you won't be watching it then
I'll be watching!.........it'll give me something to moan about.
This user liked this post: GodIsADeeJay81

expoultryboy
Posts: 1582
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:37 pm
Been Liked: 334 times
Has Liked: 453 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by expoultryboy » Tue May 25, 2021 6:43 pm

I can't believe the muppet hasn't picked either wan-bissaka who's the best defending fullback or Mr Ings who's had a great season .

boatshed bill
Posts: 15108
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
Been Liked: 3138 times
Has Liked: 6682 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by boatshed bill » Tue May 25, 2021 7:07 pm

expoultryboy wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 6:43 pm
I can't believe the muppet hasn't picked either wan-bissaka who's the best defending fullback or Mr Ings who's had a great season .
Not even in the 33 man squad>
THIRTY-THREE!!! He doesn't know what he's doing, a while back he was saying a 26 man squad was too big!

OK, I know he'll reduce it, but come on Gareth, show some balls and pick your squad. :D

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: Ben white called up to england

Post by jojomk1 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:30 pm

There are genuine injury concerns for Maguire but anyone else ?

Picking 26 and explaining to others why they were not included in that squad would have been hard enough

But the fact that he has now named 33 means he is going to have some even more difficult conversations with up to seven of the guys named

A man who can't be seen to make tough decisions is also seen as a weak man - you only have to look and listen to the guy to know he is missing a backbone and other things from his nether region

Post Reply