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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:04 pm

jtv wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:27 pm
Are there still rifts within the camp Tony?
Not as I’m aware but remember this thread is the result of something in the Daily Mail that clearly wasn’t true.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:21 pm

I did say at the time that Dyche was on holiday, and I'm sure something as crucial as a new contract would need all.key stake holders meeting face to face, and that includes Woan etc. Now he is back talks may be going on, but the mail article has been proven for what it is.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:28 pm

I think the fact that Collins has signed in June tells us SD has told him there are no issues.
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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by andyh » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:29 am

I think SD is handicapped by his playing career. If you’d swapped the careers of Lampard and SD around there is no way Lampard would have had the offers… and everyone would be saying SD deserved a top 10 job… However SD as a player is seen as a blueprint for the teams he manages.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:58 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:01 pm
I wouldn’t have thought that’s the case at all
And that's what this board is all about, Opinions.

It seems others agree with me. See above.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by burnley007 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:21 am

When does pre-season start?
When is the 1st friendlie?

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:23 am

burnley007 wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:21 am
When does pre-season start?
When is the 1st friendlie?
July 7th I believe. Of course Vyds and Wood won't be there at the start.

No friendlies arranged as yet so far as I'm aware.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Grumps » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:41 am

I believe at least one behind closed doors game has been arranged..... Opposition begins with S.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:09 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:41 am
I believe at least one behind closed doors game has been arranged..... Opposition begins with S.
Good.

Will give Dyche an opportunity check out Campbell :D

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:41 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:58 am
And that's what this board is all about, Opinions.

It seems others agree with me. See above.
But when I know opinions are wrong I’ll say do.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:41 pm
But when I know opinions are wrong I’ll say do.
Being precise here Tony - and I not criticising you in any way. Your belief stems from the information that you have been given, it may be from people at the club but unless it is directly from the key protagonists in the discussion at hand (which some may believe unlikely) it is technically hearsay no matter how much you trust your source and their understanding of the situation. That does not stop it being a step or two in likelihood above the conjecture that I and others have put forward.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:06 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:56 pm
Being precise here Tony - and I not criticising you in any way. Your belief stems from the information that you have been given, it may be from people at the club but unless it is directly from the key protagonists in the discussion at hand (which some may believe unlikely) it is technically hearsay no matter how much you trust your source and their understanding of the situation. That does not stop it being a step or two in likelihood above the conjecture that I and others have put forward.
I have information that I believe is 100% accurate. What I can’t be doing with is the sort of response I got.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:56 pm
Being precise here Tony - and I not criticising you in any way. Your belief stems from the information that you have been given, it may be from people at the club but unless it is directly from the key protagonists in the discussion at hand (which some may believe unlikely) it is technically hearsay no matter how much you trust your source and their understanding of the situation. That does not stop it being a step or two in likelihood above the conjecture that I and others have put forward.
While there are plenty on here (no I’m not naming names) who feel they are ‘in the know’ and require the boost of a largely anonymous message board for self justification. While Tony can come across like this through being frank, I don’t have him in that group. If Tony says it I usually pay a bit more attention… I’ve seen him in action finding things out personally often enough to understand Tony rarely these days gets involved without having ‘a feel’ for what is actually going on. Though as I’ve said many times before things can change in an instant in football so no one is foolproof.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:16 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:11 pm
Though as I’ve said many times before things can change in an instant in football so no one is foolproof.
Can’t they? I found that with the takeover when things were changing so often but I was confident all the way through that everything I posted was correct at the time.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:16 pm
Can’t they? I found that with the takeover when things were changing so often but I was confident all the way through that everything I posted was correct at the time.
Yep cannot think of a single thing you said that was off the mark… but that is point I was making. One of the things I specialise in is the history of religious influx’s arriving in the area… so I have a left field option within the Mormon church. I contact them about history, but leave the football to guys who have more time.. I may add sniffs I get on the air but I’m rarely actively pursuing them. Although that may change as one local Professor of football history has said he is keen to work with me at a future date, sadly as a labour of love such offers have to remain on the back burner, for now.

For now you and certain other posters remain my go to sources.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Thehistoryteacher » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:47 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:41 am
I believe at least one behind closed doors game has been arranged..... Opposition begins with S.
The whole of pre-season was arranged as normal several weeks ago - as ever, even under more normal circumstances, it remains subject to change. When and if they choose to tell the world at large is another issue ;)

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Papabendi » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:59 pm

andyh wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:29 am
I think SD is handicapped by his playing career. If you’d swapped the careers of Lampard and SD around there is no way Lampard would have had the offers… and everyone would be saying SD deserved a top 10 job… However SD as a player is seen as a blueprint for the teams he manages.
Yeah, same happened with Klopp, Wenger, Tuchel and Mourinho.
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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by joey13 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:36 pm

Dyche In Jersey at present,I’ll try and ask some questions :D

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:16 pm
Can’t they? I found that with the takeover when things were changing so often but I was confident all the way through that everything I posted was correct at the time.
It had to be to be fair, if it’s in the public domain & it’s wrong especially in terms of moderation & censorship a couple of wrong moves & litigation can happen if something is published deemed libellous, you have to be extremely careful.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Bosscat » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:57 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:36 pm
Dyche In Jersey at present,I’ll try and ask some questions :D
Heres Sean on a Jersey 🤭
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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:06 pm
I have information that I believe is 100% accurate. What I can’t be doing with is the sort of response I got.
I’ve never known CT to get the big calls like this wrong. Burnley’s BBC. :D

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:29 am

I am now confused has dyche:

1. signed a new contract
2. declared publicly he will stay until next season
3. been considered as still in contention for the palace job
4. decided to wait until Wednesday morning when the England job becomes vacant
5. a masterplan to get the signings he wants by indifference.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:32 am

brexit wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:29 am
I am now confused has dyche:

1. signed a new contract
2. declared publicly he will stay until next season
3. been considered as still in contention for the palace job
4. decided to wait until Wednesday morning when the England job becomes vacant
5. a masterplan to get the signings he wants by indifference.
6. Got the West Brom job

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:17 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:32 am
6. Got the West Brom job
Point taken coast - I have apologised on another thread my contact misheard the phrase "barnsley manager"

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:25 pm

brexit wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:17 pm
Point taken coast - I have apologised on another thread my contact misheard the phrase "barnsley manager"
:lol: I thought you were joking on the other thread. That is actually hilarious. You seriously took the word of someone who said Dyche was going to West Brom and didn’t know the difference between Barnsley and Burnley? Classic.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:25 pm
:lol: I thought you were joking on the other thread. That is actually hilarious. You seriously took the word of someone who said Dyche was going to West Brom and didn’t know the difference between Barnsley and Burnley? Classic.
Must work for the BBC or Sky 😀😀
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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by brexit » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:11 pm

She ex-pro and works for bbc

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:15 pm

brexit wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:11 pm
She ex-pro and works for bbc
Bradfords Lumb Lane Studios 😉

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:26 pm

brexit wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:17 pm
Point taken coast - I have apologised on another thread my contact misheard the phrase "barnsley manager"
:D :D fair play

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by FeedTheArf » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned in all the other pages, but The Athletic are reporting the deal on the table is 5 years, salary increase from £70k to £100k a week with “significant bonuses”.

A fair statement of intent from the new owners to tie Dyche down!

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:45 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned in all the other pages, but The Athletic are reporting the deal on the table is 5 years, salary increase from £70k to £100k a week with “significant bonuses”.

A fair statement of intent from the new owners to tie Dyche down!
£26m+ deal. Wow. I’d be surprised if he’s not going to sign that.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:45 pm
£26m+ deal. Wow. I’d be surprised if he’s not going to sign that.
probably well over £40m with bonuses

and that figure was over £100k pw not £100k pw

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:52 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:49 pm
probably well over £40m with bonuses

and that figure was over £100k pw not £100k pw
Yes hence the £26m+, crazy money as you point out though and will be very difficult to turn down that kind of security.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:56 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:52 pm
Yes hence the £26m+, crazy money as you point out though and will be very difficult to turn down that kind of security.
to put it into context the well earned bonus is more than the wages of any of our players according to most sources

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:00 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned in all the other pages, but The Athletic are reporting the deal on the table is 5 years, salary increase from £70k to £100k a week with “significant bonuses”.

A fair statement of intent from the new owners to tie Dyche down!
Happy birthday, Sean Dyche.

Exciting times.

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:06 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned in all the other pages, but The Athletic are reporting the deal on the table is 5 years, salary increase from £70k to £100k a week with “significant bonuses”.

A fair statement of intent from the new owners to tie Dyche down!
I hope there is a relegation clause in there

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:12 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:56 pm
to put it into context the well earned bonus is more than the wages of any of our players according to most sources
or put in another way - Venky's have so far put £34.75m into our friends down the road this month!!! :o :o :o - which will be the better spend?

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:19 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:12 pm
or put in another way - Venky's have so far put £34.75m into our friends down the road this month!!! :o :o :o - which will be the better spend?
Is that right?!?

Imagine where we’d be with such generous chicken farmers as owners :D

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:21 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:19 pm
Is that right?!?

Imagine where we’d be with such generous chicken farmers as owners :D
from the MMT
Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:24 pm
I missed this yesterday - Venky's continue their generous support of the charity tea, down the road by buying another £5.25m of shares that are not worth the paper they are printed on.

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 58/photo/1

There used to be a manager in the Premier League who referred to this practice as financial doping, no one really seems to care anymore
Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:06 pm
So have Blackburn Rovers had a very bad year financially or are Venky's going all out for a promotion push - they have put another £29.5m into the club it seems

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 1799447560

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:26 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned in all the other pages, but The Athletic are reporting the deal on the table is 5 years, salary increase from £70k to £100k a week with “significant bonuses”.

A fair statement of intent from the new owners to tie Dyche down!
Is that a recent story?

If someone had offered me a pay rise like that, I’d be sacking my 50th and on the first plane back from Jersey to sign the contract!

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:28 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:26 pm
Is that a recent story?

If someone had offered me a pay rise like that, I’d be sacking my 50th and on the first plane back from Jersey to sign the contract!
from the SD 50 thread
Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:17 pm
for those who have a subscription - a piece in the Athletic - which is still doing an annual sub for £1 a month over the next few days

https://theathletic.com/2674519/2021/06 ... dailyemail
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Post by NewClaret » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:33 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:21 pm
from the MMT
That is absolutely staggering!!!!

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:37 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:49 pm
probably well over £40m with bonuses

and that figure was over £100k pw not £100k pw
Will we be saddled with large debt if we get relegated?

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:39 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:37 pm
Will we be saddled with large debt if we get relegated?
we are already - Dyche is as close as we have found to not getting relegated - the mission for the board is the same whatever - to dramatically increase non-tv revenues

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:58 pm

Bigger than the club?

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Bigger than the club?
I have been making reference to that question for some time now, used to get a bit of flack for it less so now

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:51 am

Good to see someone doing a very good job being well rewarded

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by gawthorpe_view » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:07 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:58 pm
Bigger than the club?
No, but becoming 'The Club'.

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Post by ewanrob » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:15 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:39 pm
we are already - Dyche is as close as we have found to not getting relegated - the mission for the board is the same whatever - to dramatically increase non-tv revenues
Chester, honest question.... I get your nervousness on the debt, how would you suggest we continue to stay at this level and compete if we dont take risks...or would you rather have the alternative ?

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Re: Dyche to sign new contract !

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:15 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:15 am
Chester, honest question.... I get your nervousness on the debt, how would you suggest we continue to stay at this level and compete if we dont take risks...or would you rather have the alternative ?
The alternative has gone, the club was sold and the leverage was used to bring in executive talent not to invest in the club and give it the opportunity to grow revenues - I said that at the time. It is something of an irony in that the revenue generating activities we have witnessed so far were already on the roadmap of the previous board. That is not to say there are other activities occurring that we do not know about as yet.

The relationship between Dyche and Garlick forced the takeover situation, whether you think it was poor communication from Garlick with Dyche, Dyche refusing to believe the state of the clubs finances, or somewhere inbetween (my view). There is also no doubt the loss of Dave Baldwin, and Garlick putting himself in an ex executive role exacerbated an already tense situation.

Any close examination of the finances over the last 5 years will give you the true insight into why our transfer spend has had to drop and as I keep saying it was only the pandemic that stopped last summer being one of significant transfer spend, squad refresh (though by then I do not think that would have repaired the relationship between Dyche and Garlick). It needs to be acknowledged that the decisions taken at that time are what have allowed the club to spend this summer.

The club employed significant risk under Garlick, choosing to grow the club's infrastructure to a level where it was Premier League appropriate (not brilliant but appropriate) after decades of effectively getting by/neglect depending on your perspective. The manager demanded a large part of that spend (rightly and understandably) to improve the players working environment, but that spend also curtailed the clubs desperate need to invest in revenue generating infrastructure and activities. There is a reasonable argument to suggest that the club could have borrowed for such revenue generating investment (but not on players).

What is clearly apparent is that both the previous and current board share the absolute belief in the need to keep Dyche at the club as the best way of ensuring Premier League participation. How much of that is down to his skill set or the way the club is so intrinsically formed to his own desire making any key change dangerously disruptive is open to debate.

For now there is little alternative but to carefully observe what is going on and develop a greater understanding of what has happened previously and how that has set the way forward. For all the debt and small squad, the new owners have been given a great platform to work from and that is thanks to the previous administration. The positive personalities that have come in are managing to change the tone of thinking at the club and in the fanbase - largely because they appear to have changed the tone of Dyche when he his talking about the club (though he is still scathing about Garlick). We should not forget that the takeover is not complete, there is still a large amount of money to be found for that and as yet the preferred route of flipping shares to other investors have not borne fruit (they will need to be convinced by the business plan)

There is much still to be done at the club, the need to significantly grow non-tv revenues has increased as a result of the additional non-football costs (though football costs are appearing to rise just as quickly). Much of those revenues will need to be invested to further grow revenues as we are probably at the limits of our borrowing capability. That means further squad investments are likely to be compromised after the summer without significant player sales. Financing the club through player sales is a familiar model at the club though even Bob Lord found that the balance between sell and retain a fragile one in maintaining the ability to keep in the top league. Of course the financial clout of direct competitors is much stronger these days too.

The track record of Checketts for all it's good points in revenue growth and general operational improvements still gives rise for caution. He has never had the money (and we are yet to see if the other investors do) to see the job through and has been forced to walk away from the teams/franchises he has owned as a result. There is also still a need to understand what the purpose and aim of the investment is. We expect it is to increase the value of the club, but by what multiple - Garlick effectively managed a multiple of around 15 if the new board do that the club would be valued at around £3 billion - does anyone expect that anytime soon.

For those who find that implausible just look at the value of American sports franchises - MLS franchises are all more valuable assets than Burnley Football club (some at 3 times the value) and they share a TV deal that gives them slightly more TV revenue than league 1 clubs and less than half of Championship clubs. This week a 27% stake sale of LA Lakers (NBA) a franchise with similar operational revenues as Burnley FC valued the franchise (which does not own it's arena) at $5 billion.

Of course the aim of American Franchise owners is not just to grow the valuation of their franchise but to create a secondary billion dollar plus business to spin out of it - Three Franchise owners have managed to achieved those valuations from spin offs so far this year as a result of share sales in them.

I believe that for the new owners to be successful in achieving their targets of investment returns they need to sustain a wage + amortisation to revenue ratio of around 70% in the short to medium tern and possibly around 80% in the long term, If they spend as much on players this summer as I think they will and improve contracts of those Dyche wants retained beyond next season then I can see this being at around 95% - 110% depending on end of season placing.

Anyone prepared to do the maths on that thinking will be alarmed at the revenues required to manage it even at current levels of wages and amortisation. I come to that conclusion as a result of all the additional spend that is required at the club (including significant amounts on the Bob Lord and Cricket field stands) and the fact I don't think it can borrow much more, in the short term at least. Achieving it and maintaing Premier League status would attract new investors but very likely lead to an unhappy manager once again.
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