Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:17 pm

I think it was allowed to stand because it hit the defender before reaching him.

Yes it’s because the defender tried to play the ball. What a stupid law though.

Clinical finish by Lukaku, but a poor mistake by the defender. However even in the opening 20 minutes Belgium have looked vulnerable at the back, which as the tournament progresses could ultimately cost them when they face better opposition than Russia.

Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:10 pm

Missed pen
Justice.
Cheating diving Dane

Doesn't VAR sort this out?

Just asking like...

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 pm

Doesn't VAR sort this out?

Just asking like...

You might well ask - hard to believe it wasn’t corrected

Russia look very poor so far.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 pm

Russia look very poor so far.

True but Belgium make a lot of teams look very poor.

Yuri Zhirkov, Footy Manager legend

Didn't even know he was still about until today.

Is Roberto Martinez a good manager or does he just manage some very good players ?

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Is Roberto Martinez a good manager or does he just manage some very good players ?

I’ve never been able to work that out.

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Is Roberto Martinez a good manager or does he just manage some very good players ?

Bit of both.
A manager has to be able to manage said good players and this is their golden generation afterall.

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Is Roberto Martinez a good manager or does he just manage some very good players ?

Dave Whelan thinks he's a good manager!

sounds like the Danish Captain Simon Kjaer started the preparations for CPR before the medics got on the pitch according to some reports coming out, he got him on his back and cleared his airway because he knew what to do.

I like this Ref!
Belgium should be out of sight in this game, but now giving Russia hope.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:08 pm

sounds like the Danish Captain Simon Kjaer started the preparations for CPR before the medics got on the pitch according to some reports coming out, he got him on his back and cleared his airway because he knew what to do.

Fantastic that someone 1) knows what to do and 2) can do it at such an emotional time.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:24 pm

Fantastic that someone 1) knows what to do and 2) can do it at such an emotional time.

100%, food for thought for all of us that don't know or in my case remember.

plenty of tutorials on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd7o6wdjmto

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:33 pm

100%, food for thought for all of us that don't know or in my case remember.

plenty of tutorials on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd7o6wdjmto

Nothing like what’s happened tonight but it’s 45 years ago this year that I was knocked unconscious playing cricket and my airways were blocked. Thankfully a team mate, a friend and a poster on this board knew what to do.

A free online course aimed at coaches or anyone running sports events but really the same techniques can be applied anywhere.

https://www.ukcoaching.org/courses/elea ... iac-arrest

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 pm

Nothing like what’s happened tonight but it’s 45 years ago this year that I was knocked unconscious playing cricket and my airways were blocked. Thankfully a team mate, a friend and a poster on this board knew what to do.

very fortunate indeed.

There's a reason I never played Cricket, the only thing I used to catch was a cold !

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 pm

Nothing like what’s happened tonight but it’s 45 years ago this year that I was knocked unconscious playing cricket and my airways were blocked. Thankfully a team mate, a friend and a poster on this board knew what to do.

You didn’t get much luck playing cricket did you?

Knocked unconscious and struck by lightning playing the same sport. Glad both incidents had a positive outcome.

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:46 pm

You didn’t get much luck playing cricket did you?

Knocked unconscious and struck by lightning playing the same sport. Glad both incidents had a positive outcome.

Struck by lightning ? !!!!!

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:46 pm

You didn’t get much luck playing cricket did you?

Knocked unconscious and struck by lightning playing the same sport. Glad both incidents had a positive outcome.

Sounds bad but they were the only two incidents thankfully apart from my fingers being knackered from keeping wicket.

And thankfully I’ve never witnessed anything like what happened today.

I wonder how long it will be until Man United try and re-sign Lukaku

Beast of a player

Now that the signs are good for Christian can we have a sensible discussion about the coverage?
I will start by saying the coverage was provided by Danish tv and that European audiences are less sensitive than their British counterparts. I know from my times in Europe that when some countries cover RTAs it is blood, snot and body parts. I believe they think it is a deterrent to speeding.
The initial coverage I can understand, nobody knew what was going on. From the moment they gave him shock treatment and you saw his body jerk it should have gone to studio. By that stage someone in London should have said this is not for us. The worst moment for me was seeing them holding the blankets up shielding him from the crowd. I feared he had gone.

This is a very rare occurrence during sport coverage, hopefully lessons will be learned.

Opinions please guys. No need for back and forths.

Interesting one.

I think the BBC should have cut it earlier than they did, even though it wasn't their coverage. It did go a bit OTT e.g. close ups of his wife in bits, shocks being administered.

Having said that its easy to just turn the TV off if you didn’t like it.

Some people couldn't wait to bash the BBC for this.

They appear to be ignorant to the fact that the pictures weren't being filmed or broadcast by them.

But I agree, they could have cut to the studio sooner.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:54 pm

Interesting one.

I think the BBC should have cut it earlier than they did, even though it wasn't their coverage. It did go a bit OTT e.g. close ups of his wife in bits, shocks being administered.

Having said that its easy to just turn the TV off if you didn’t like it.

Exactly, we should be in control of what we decide to do with the remote control, it's not something you can really warn the viewers about, BTW a player will be collasping soon, I think the incident took everybody by surprise & we should be glad the lad is OK that's first & foremost.

I missed most of the incident. By the time I turned the tv on the camera was zoomed out. It’s in poor taste to show close ups of a person being resuscitated so the host broadcasters should be taking the criticism for that. The BBC clearly should have cut to the studio earlier but the studio panel wouldn’t have been prepared, and this situation is so rare that it obviously caught the people who were running the show off guard.

My 3 year old was at the neighbours house playing with his friend and when he came back he told me that his friends brother was watching the football and a player was dying. Clearly what was broadcast wasn’t suitable for tv, never mind at daytime.

Not bad having Eden Hazard on the bench

This incident proves the importance of defibrillators and the knowledge to use them. In recent years they have almost become mandatory at sports clubs and you often see them outside pubs and shops. The ones located outside of hospital are designed for anyone to use. Really straight forward the machine literally tells you what to do. If someone has a cardiac arrest outside of hospital the vast majority of them are shockable rhythms, meaning with good Chest compressions and an early shock the person has a half decent chance of survival.

In hospital the vast majority of cardiac arrests are non-shockable (unless on a cardiac ward) and the prognosis is always very very poor.

I implore eveyone to have a look at the link provided. Doing basic thing well can make a massive difference and it really can happen to anyone. The resus council are pushing for CPR training in school as it’s a life saving skill.


https://www.resus.org.uk/public-resource/cpr-schools

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:50 pm

Now that the signs are good for Christian can we have a sensible discussion about the coverage?
I will start by saying the coverage was provided by Danish tv and that European audiences are less sensitive than their British counterparts. I know from my times in Europe that when some countries cover RTAs it is blood, snot and body parts. I believe they think it is a deterrent to speeding.
The initial coverage I can understand, nobody knew what was going on. From the moment they gave him shock treatment and you saw his body jerk it should have gone to studio. By that stage someone in London should have said this is not for us. The worst moment for me was seeing them holding the blankets up shielding him from the crowd. I feared he had gone.

This is a very rare occurrence during sport coverage, hopefully lessons will be learned.

Opinions please guys. No need for back and forths.

Hi minnie, threads, of course, have been combined. On the original thread I posted about my personal experience of suffering a heart attack. With this in mind and the need for urgent medical assistance to everyone who suffers a cardiovascular event, I'm glad that the the events immediately following Christian Eriksen's collapse were broadcast. Amongst the many millions who would have been watching this game across Europe there will be a few who remember the urgency of the event and if they ever come across something similar it might give them the knowledge and understanding that they have the opportunity to save a life if they act speedily, even if they only thing they do is call for help. Yes, there are some things we see that can shock and disturb and, in some, it can bring back memories of their own experiences, but that is no reason to say these events shouldn't be broadcast. It's actions to save lives that we want not people rushing for the "off switch" so they don't know what is going on.

That's my experience and that's my opinion. Take care.

I would urge everyone to familiarise themselves with how to do CPR.

The most important part is the chest compressions, and reaching the chest depth to ensure it is as effective as can be.

It is exhausting, and of course not particularly pleasant, but if you can do something until that defib arrives, that it might just be enough to save them.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:07 pm

I missed most of the incident. By the time I turned the tv on the camera was zoomed out. It’s in poor taste to show close ups of a person being resuscitated so the host broadcasters should be taking the criticism for that. The BBC clearly should have cut to the studio earlier but the studio panel wouldn’t have been prepared, and this situation is so rare that it obviously caught the people who were running the show off guard.

My 3 year old was at the neighbours house playing with his friend and when he came back he told me that his friends brother was watching the football and a player was dying. Clearly what was broadcast wasn’t suitable for tv, never mind at daytime.

Not sport related.. but I recall the two soldiers bundled into taxis stripped and shot dead in Northern Ireland. On daytime news...Twin Towers played over and over Live!!

I guess we generally accept that it is the media's responsibility to film and report everything they can.
Society accepts video of missiles knocking the crap out of people's homes.

Confirmed he suffered cardiac arrest

A big day for North Macedonia their 1st every appearance in a major tournament, can they repeat what Finland did yesterday, doubtful I'd say but in footy you never know.

1-0 Austria going to form thus far.

1-1.

amazed they didn't give a foul on the keeper (not because it was, just because they are over protected usually)

Arnautovic isn't the least bit unhinged, is he ?

What was all that about when he scored ?

Now for the Netherlands v Ukraine.

Looks like it could be a good game going off the first few minutes.

Denzel Dumfries, best named player so far !

Cracking start to the Holland-Ukraine game I'm just amazed it's still 0-0, but if they keep this up they'll surely be goals.

Brilliant save!

Impressive 45 from the Dutch, however they lack a clinical finisher, and that could well cost them later in the competition.

That's probably the most entertaining half of the tournament so far, and yet bizarrely it's still goalless.

Chris iwelumo a classy summariser again. Can we have him more often please?

Congrats to the monkey hangers for winning at Edgeley Park.

Ukraine pay the price for their defender diving.

Dutch looking a decent team

Netherlands giving Ukraine a bit of a seeing to at present.