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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Darthlaw » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm

I missed the exciting game showing in tv that Shearer and Jenas watched where England played fast flowing exciting football
I saw the boring sideways and backwards passing game with Mings and Stones tripping over each other and Foden running into defenders
Sorry, but England are still a poor team, overrated by the media with a poor manager
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by taio » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:40 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm
I missed the exciting game showing in tv that Shearer and Jenas watched where England played fast flowing exciting football
I saw the boring sideways and backwards passing game with Mings and Stones tripping over each other and Foden running into defenders
Sorry, but England are still a poor team, overrated by the media with a poor manager
Poor team? Give over.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:31 pm
Average performance against an average side.
A team that always beat us and were runners up in the world cup are average?
Darthlaw wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:31 pm
Tripps bailed out by Pickford, Pickford untroubled but distribution iffy and I can’t remember anyone else.
It wasn't that bad. Easy to deal with for Pickford.
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The BBC’s ‘punditry’ bigging it up as some wonder performance was vomit inducing.
They are trying to inject some positively and support for the team. The key difference between England and other teams have been the media coverage. We are negative by nature and quick to bash our team. Other countries are supportive of theirs.

It may not have been the most convincing performance but as I said already Croatia are our nemesis and a very good side. Saying we didn't play well is a bit like saying Burnley didn't play well digging a result out against Arsenal.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:44 pm

Imagine Burnley fans complaining about a defensively solid hard fought 1-0 win

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:45 pm

Excellent opening performance. Not sure what some fans expect? Deserved win and clean sheet against a team that knocked us out of the most recent tournament. We had the better chances - Foden was unlucky and Kane should have scored - and limited Croatia to literally nothing. I’ve criticised Mings and while Croatia didnt have much up top, he delivered a very composed performance.

Not sure Tripps at left back is for me though. Southgate seems to suggest its for his leadership and experience. Perhaps if Maguire gets fit then he will partner Shaw with him. Well in control of the group now.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by taio » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:46 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm
A team that always beat us and were runners up in the world cup are average?

It wasn't that bad. Easy to deal with for Pickford.

They are trying to inject some positively and support for the team. The key difference between England and other teams have been the media coverage. We are negative by nature and quick to bash our team. Other countries are supportive of theirs.

It may not have been the most convincing performance but as I said already Croatia are our nemesis and a very good side. Saying we didn't play well is a bit like saying Burnley didn't play well digging a result out against Arsenal.
Absolutely right about injecting positivity. Some of the negativity after a solid win against a decent side is curious.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:36 pm
Mings won everything but you won’t credit him of course
I'm not a fan personally, I never used to be a fan of Phillips either but both played flawlessly and credit to them.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:47 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm
A team that always beat us and were runners up in the world cup are average?

It may not have been the most convincing performance but as I said already Croatia are our nemesis and a very good side. Saying we didn't play well is a bit like saying Burnley didn't play well digging a result out against Arsenal.
As for “ a team that always beats us “ get a grip ffs , that has no bearing whatsoever and means nothing to any current crop of players of any generation . I thought we did well in a typical very tricky tournament opener

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:50 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:45 pm
Excellent opening performance. Not sure what some fans expect? Deserved win and clean sheet against a team that knocked us out of the most recent tournament. We had the better chances - Foden was unlucky and Kane should have scored - and limited Croatia to literally nothing. I’ve criticised Mings and while Croatia didnt have much up top, he delivered a very composed performance.

Not sure Tripps at left back is for me though. Southgate seems to suggest its for his leadership and experience. Perhaps if Maguire gets fit then he will partner Shaw with him. Well in control of the group now.
I thought Southgate got his subs bang on today that kid Bellingham looks really good

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:50 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:47 pm
As for “ a team that always beats us “ get a grip ffs , that has no bearing whatsoever and means nothing to any current crop of players of any generation . I thought we did well in a typical very tricky tournament opener
I disagree. They're a hard team to beat and we often find it hard against them. The backbone of their team is very similar and the way they play trying to get under your skin is very much still a thing. Not sure how you can't see that to be honest.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by milkcrate_mosh » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:51 pm

England got a higher xG today against world cup finalists than we managed in 70% of our games last season. We never looked like conceding, we've topped the group, it's the hottest day of the year and there's beers in the fridge (ymmv). Cheer up lads!
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by bodge » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:52 pm

A well managed game by England who created the most danger even though it was sporadic.

They were always going to have some decent possession with Modric, Kovacic and Perisic in their side, the big miss for them from a few years ago was Mandzukic, Rebic and Kramaric were peripheral at best.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:53 pm

Boring but easily comfortable.

Mings and Phillips were great.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:53 pm

milkcrate_mosh wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:51 pm
England got a higher xG today against world cup finalists than we managed in 70% of our games last season. We never looked like conceding, we've topped the group, it's the hottest day of the year and there's beers in the fridge (ymmv). Cheer up lads!
We are used to hard gritty one nillers, I dunno when Burnley fans became football snobs

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by taio » Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:54 pm

The only negative I can think of was the result was too good and we are nearer to finishing top of the group - I'd rather we came second.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Darthlaw » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:00 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm
A team that always beat us and were runners up in the world cup are average?
They don’t and without Mandzukic (sp?) and a 3 year older Modric are certainly not the same team.

Most importantly I didn’t say it was a bad performance, just not the ******** of total football some are making it out to be.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by bobinho » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:01 pm

The team that always beat us and were runners up in the WC weren't playing today.

An average Croatia side were tho... and we managed to put them to the sword, so all's well.

Saturday is a big test, the Scots will be as up for it as they always are against us.

Philips did very well today, very well indeed.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Culmclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:02 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:53 pm
Boring but easily comfortable.

Mings and Phillips were great.
That sums it up perfectly

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:02 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:50 pm
I thought Southgate got his subs bang on today that kid Bellingham looks really good
Agree with all of that - he got them wrong against them in the semi but spot on today. Bellingham is a monster.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:02 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm
I missed the exciting game showing in tv that Shearer and Jenas watched where England played fast flowing exciting football
I saw the boring sideways and backwards passing game with Mings and Stones tripping over each other and Foden running into defenders
Sorry, but England are still a poor team, overrated by the media with a poor manager
Not sure how any Burnley fan can say England are a poor team

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:03 pm

Boring game, I fell asleep during the second half & after reading the match report & what people have to say to on here I don’t think I missed much, from the sounds of it we did what we had to do but going forwards we need to improve in a colossal way if we are to be taken seriously in this tournament.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:04 pm

You can lead a horse to water..

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:09 pm

Very disappointed with Croatia - they looked slow and lacked tenacity.

Job done but people are getting ahead of themselves a tad

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:10 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:04 pm
You can lead a horse to water..
Is that supposed to mean something? People are giving there opinions which are mixed, it was a 1 nil game played out in sweltering heat it wasn’t what I’d call a thriller, it was ok a few odd decent performances mainly Phillips & mount didn’t do too bad. I’ve watched lower league football & being more interested than the 55 mins I did watch today being honest.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:13 pm

WC semi we had 45% possession, it was 50/50 today and we used the ball much better for the most part. I thought we did ok today considering the conditions and the opposition.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by bobinho » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:02 pm
Not sure how any Burnley fan can say England are a poor team
Easy. Burnley fans are used to watching a GOOD team. Because that’s what we are, a good TEAM. I think maybe that the point is this England team aren’t as good as they SHOULD be, given their individual talent. Great players, not a great team… at least not yet.

England are LESS than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.

Burnley are GREATER than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:20 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm
Easy. Burnley fans are used to watching a GOOD team. Because that’s what we are, a good TEAM. I think maybe that the point is this England team aren’t as good as they SHOULD be, given their individual talent. Great players, not a great team… at least not yet.

England are LESS than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.

Burnley are GREATER than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.
England are a new, young and developing team. Clearly not the finished article. Bellingham is 17. Foden Phillips Rice Mings have less than 20 caps between them. Give them chance. Kane looked a tad off it today but im sure he will come good.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Didn't see much of it since my granddaughter needed me to play with her. Ironically, I was able to see the pundits at half time. Had it been Radio 4's 'Just A Minute' it contained plenty of repetition, not too much deviation but not even a hint of pausing. They were like clockwork dolls wound up to their maximum with Shearer in particular holding the microphone ìn a manner suggesting that karaoke might be on his agenda sometime soon. And how many people does it take to tell everyone that it was hot? t was hot just prior to kick off but then an hour later just before the second half we were reliably informed by some lady at pitchside that it was still hot. Incredible.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Spijed » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:22 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm

Croatia are our nemesis and a very good side.
Didn't England beat them previously as well in the Nations league?

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:38 pm
I missed the exciting game showing in tv that Shearer and Jenas watched where England played fast flowing exciting football
I saw the boring sideways and backwards passing game with Mings and Stones tripping over each other and Foden running into defenders
Sorry, but England are still a poor team, overrated by the media with a poor manager
I missed the game I was having a eye test,looks like I missed nothing your post summed it up perfectly for me,with Southgate in charge we arnt going anywhere...thanks for the summary Woodley it's just what I expected

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:27 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm
Easy. Burnley fans are used to watching a GOOD team. Because that’s what we are, a good TEAM. I think maybe that the point is this England team aren’t as good as they SHOULD be, given their individual talent. Great players, not a great team… at least not yet.

England are LESS than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.

Burnley are GREATER than the sum of their parts, presumably because of the instructions given to them on how to set up and play the game.
But you look stupid if you’re expecting PL fast paced action from International football because it’s never really been like that. International football is mainly defensive low tempo football in general it reminds me of French league footy

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:28 pm

not going to get fast football in that heat

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:37 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:01 pm
The team that always beat us and were runners up in the WC weren't playing today.

An average Croatia side were tho... and we managed to put them to the sword, so all's well.

Saturday is a big test, the Scots will be as up for it as they always are against us.

Philips did very well today, very well indeed.
Hard to judge from 90 minutes, but this Croatia don't look the force they were in 2018, however they are an experienced international outfit, and today was never going to be an end-to-end flowing football contest, and one goal either way was likely to settle the match, thankfully for England we grabbed that goal, and then comfortably saw out the rest of the game, and that's encouraging as in the past England have been guilty of throwing away leads, so it might not be the most exciting start, but I'll happily take a 1-0 and the 3 points from what could have been a tricky banana skin first up.

BTW bobinho the Scotland game is Friday evening. :)
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Slow start to a competition is ideal as the tub thumping Sun and others might lay off the we can win it headlines and who knows how far we can go with less pressure. Not the best of performances but a win is a win.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:28 pm
not going to get fast football in that heat
Precisely if England had continued in the vein of the first 10-15 minutes they'd have been on their knees by HT, you have to play the conditions as well as the opponents.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:42 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:26 pm
I missed the game I was having a eye test,looks like I missed nothing your post summed it up perfectly for me,with Southgate in charge we arnt going anywhere...thanks for the summary Woodley it's just what I expected
So you didn’t watch the game but Woodley summed it up perfectly for you? Yet you are ignoring the posters and pundits who have praised the performance? No agenda here, clearly.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:42 pm
So you didn’t watch the game but Woodley summed it up perfectly for you? Yet you are ignoring the posters and pundits who have praised the performance? No agenda here, clearly.
None whatsoever...get back to me later in the tournament when we get beat by a footballing super power.....yawn.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:56 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:53 pm
None whatsoever...get back to me later in the tournament when we get beat by a footballing super power.....yawn.
This thread is about today’s game. I don’t see people claiming we’re going to beat a super power. Most people are just praising what was a very good and solid performance. The fact you didn’t see the match but are agreeing with a critical poster’s analysis shows your agenda.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:27 pm
But you look stupid if you’re expecting PL fast paced action from International football because it’s never really been like that. International football is mainly defensive low tempo football in general it reminds me of French league footy
I can remember Brazil played fast paced, so did Argentina,. Holland were an absolute delight as have been Germany, France, Spain, Italy in their pomp and currently Belgium. The rest knock it side to side because in a competition they are 'also rans'; a bit like Burnley who are just glad to be in the competition with little or no chance of winning it.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by The Enclosure » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:06 pm

For me a good solid performance.We won the game and we move on.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:12 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:56 pm
This thread is about today’s game. I don’t see people claiming we’re going to beat a super power. Most people are just praising what was a very good and solid performance. The fact you didn’t see the match but are agreeing with a critical poster’s analysis shows your agenda.
Or maybe people are just giving an honest assessment based on what they saw & you simply don’t agree with what some people are saying, nobody expects England to be a super power but it’s plain bloody boring it’s a snoozefest for some people me included.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 pm

Southgate spot on with his tactics and team selection and showing why he is the manager of England and not some moaning windbag on a footy messageboard.
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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:12 pm
Or maybe people are just giving an honest assessment based on what they saw & you simply don’t agree with what some people are saying, nobody expects England to be a super power but it’s plain bloody boring it’s a snoozefest for some people me included.
He. Didn’t. Watch. The. Game.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by DCWat » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm
They are trying to inject some positively and support for the team. The key difference between England and other teams have been the media coverage. We are negative by nature and quick to bash our team.
Agree with much of what you’ve said, but it’s not the pundits / summarisers job to inject positivity. It’s their job to accurately assess the performance, using their experience of playing the game.

Did they accurately assess the performance is the question.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by timshorts » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:15 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:35 pm
Because he goes down at every opportunity? :)
Grealish, yes. Small, dangerous, but as soon as he's touched it, then it's dive, dive, dive.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 pm
He. Didn’t. Watch. The. Game.
I only watched 55 mins myself, to have an opinion in rileybobs world how long do we get? 5 mins 10 mins 15 mins or another set time, he’s still allowed his opinion he’s probably based it upon what he’s read & how he feels.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:19 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 pm
Southgate spot on with his tactics and team selection and showing why he is the manager of England and not some moaning windbag on a footy messageboard.
I didn't see a lot of the game so cannot comment on the performance but are you suggesting that a narrow 1-0 victory at home against an 'also ran' vindicates his position as national team manager?

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:19 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:17 pm
I only watched 55 mins myself, to have an opinion in rileybobs world how long do we get? 5 mins 10 mins 15 mins or another set time, he’s still allowed his opinion he’s probably based it upon what he’s read & how he feels.
Erm, I would suggest that to have an opinion on how well England played you ideally would have watched all of the game. Failing that I would suggest that at least watching a single minute of the game may be beneficial.

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Re: England v Croatia

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:19 pm
Erm, I would suggest that to have an opinion on how well England played you ideally would have watched all of the game. Failing that I would suggest that at least watching a single minute of the game may be beneficial.
Maybe he just looked at the stats after all that’s the most important thing or it’s believed to be by some people. You would need to ask him how he’s based his opinion on England’s performance today.

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