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Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:36 pm
by elwaclaret
With all the buildup for the match, I just thought I’d point out another major event that still impacts our lives. Although Napoleon turned towards the alliance rather than the overpowering army moving to crush him from the East. Today is the day Napoleon met his Waterloo 206 years ago. (1815).
At the time around here there was a sense of relief for most that it was over, but many returned wondering if they had done the right thing. In just over another four years, some of those winning today would be among the Peterloo casualties fighting to win liberty at home, when the Manchester Yeomany attacked Henry Hunt’s mass reform meeting at St Peters Field
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:03 pm
by Buxtonclaret
The Stars were aligned for our Hook-Nosed Hero!
At least the Scots & English were on the same side for a while.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:26 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:03 pm
The Stars were aligned for our Hook-Nosed Hero!
At least the Scots & English were on the same side for a while.
And the Germans & Prussians.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:35 pm
by elwaclaret
gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:26 pm
And the Germans & Prussians.
While Germany did not exist then…. Prussia saved the day…. But most German states were on the other side. The alliance included Belgium herself, and much of Northern Europe stood behind Wellesley on the day facing the the Grande Armee
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:40 pm
by elwaclaret
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:35 pm
While Germany did not exist then…. Prussia saved the day…. But most German states were on the other side. The alliance included Belgium herself, and much of Northern Europe stood behind Wellesley on the day facing the the Grande Armee
…. Of course the German Hessian states were also in British uniform, fighting for their king George but still most Germans stood in theFrench lines.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:01 pm
by dsr
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:35 pm
While Germany did not exist then…. Prussia saved the day…. But most German states were on the other side. The alliance included Belgium herself, and much of Northern Europe stood behind Wellesley on the day facing the the Grande Armee
Prussia didn't save the day. The day was won by the British, and Napoleon was defeated; the Prussian arrival turned the defeat into a rout and ensured Napoleon was finished. Without the Prussians, he might - possibly - have been able to re-from his army and carry on.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:01 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:03 pm
The Stars were aligned for our Hook-Nosed Hero!
At least the Scots & English were on the same side for a while.
Until Wellington was faced with McAdder.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:05 pm
by 2 Bee Holed
Strange thread title.
Off the top of my head I cannot think of any battle for which we say
happy 'name of battle' day.
Sure others will think of one.
By we I mean British.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:43 pm
by Bosscat
25th October stuck 2 fingers up to the French at Agincourt 1415
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:18 pm
by LeadBelly
A very bloody and important battle - it ended a very violent phase of European history and brought a general period of peace.
Napoleon wasn't strong enough to tackle a combined Prussian/Wellington army and needed to tackle them one at a time to continue his quest for European domination. (Boney had c 72k men- a lot of which were very experienced campaigners. Wellington about 30k of his own army and c 35,000 mixed bag Dutch/German; Blucher had c 50,000).
Wellington's army did very well to fend of the French attacks until late in the day when the Prussians arrived. Maybe Wellington could've won the day anyway but Blucher's arrival made it a rout.
Napoleon "abdicated" a few days later (24th June) and was carted off to St Helena where he died (two hundred years ago this May gone).
The waterlogged ground probably helped our lads but Wellington's infantry did a resolute job and the threat of Bluchers arrival (then his actual arrival) undoubtedly helped enormously.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:35 pm
by evensteadiereddie
Happy Waterloo Day - a concept that should be booed soundly - being nothing but a cheap poltical gesture...
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:11 pm
by Pstotto
The new town of Waterlooville was named in honour of Waterloo.
I think Jack Dee wrote the Wikipedia page entry:
History
Once there was a pub and then another and another and then Wetherspoons came to town...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterlooville
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:47 pm
by Vino blanco
It's also my and Mrs Vino's 27th wedding anniversary. We have been out fora tapas lunch and a quiz in benalmadena and we are now at home with a good supply of Mahou beer and white wine in the fridge forthe football. Come on England.
Ps. It's also Paul McArtneys 79 th birthday
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:52 pm
by JohnMac
LeadBelly wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:18 pm
A very bloody and important battle - it ended a very violent phase of European history and brought a general period of peace.
Napoleon wasn't strong enough to tackle a combined Prussian/Wellington army and needed to tackle them one at a time to continue his quest for European domination. (Boney had c 72k men- a lot of which were very experienced campaigners. Wellington about 30k of his own army and c 35,000 mixed bag Dutch/German; Blucher had c 50,000).
Wellington's army did very well to fend of the French attacks until late in the day when the Prussians arrived. Maybe Wellington could've won the day anyway but Blucher's arrival made it a rout.
Napoleon "abdicated" a few days later (24th June) and was carted off to St Helena where he died (two hundred years ago this May gone).
The waterlogged ground probably helped our lads but Wellington's infantry did a resolute job and the threat of Bluchers arrival (then his actual arrival) undoubtedly helped enormously.
Wellington had identified the ground several years earlier and knew it was the ideal place to try and stop Boneparte. The rain was a much needed bonus, unlike today at Ascot
He was very astute!
The Veterans of Waterloo suffered from homelessness, alcoholism and a lack of employment. Their problems were very similar to modern Veterans.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:50 pm
by bfcjg
No Waterloo , no Abba, end off.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:51 pm
by bobinho
Vino blanco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:47 pm
It's also my and Mrs Vino's 27th wedding anniversary. We have been out fora tapas lunch and a quiz in benalmadena and we are now at home with a good supply of Mahou beer and white wine in the fridge forthe football. Come on England.
Ps. It's also Paul McArtneys 79 th birthday
Hope it’s green mahou…. That red stuff is dangerous.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:21 pm
by Vino blanco
Its green, bobinho
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:01 pm
by Siddo
Every single flag shagger is all over this thread.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:34 pm
by Bosscat
Siddo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:01 pm
Every single flag shagger is all over this thread.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:51 am
by elwaclaret
LeadBelly wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:18 pm
A very bloody and important battle - it ended a very violent phase of European history and brought a general period of peace.
Napoleon wasn't strong enough to tackle a combined Prussian/Wellington army and needed to tackle them one at a time to continue his quest for European domination. (Boney had c 72k men- a lot of which were very experienced campaigners. Wellington about 30k of his own army and c 35,000 mixed bag Dutch/German; Blucher had c 50,000).
Wellington's army did very well to fend of the French attacks until late in the day when the Prussians arrived. Maybe Wellington could've won the day anyway but Blucher's arrival made it a rout.
Napoleon "abdicated" a few days later (24th June) and was carted off to St Helena where he died (two hundred years ago this May gone).
The waterlogged ground probably helped our lads but Wellington's infantry did a resolute job and the threat of Bluchers arrival (then his actual arrival) undoubtedly helped enormously.
The boggy ground clearly did not help, Nor did Ney’s strange performance on the campaign, that I’ve heard several theories on… being a junkie was one I remember. But Wellington’s master stroke was undoubtably having his main force behind the ridge and the beyond heroic defence at Hougamount… the more they are finding out about that the more impressive the British defence becomes. That and Napoleon’s wild goose chasing After Blutcher
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:14 am
by CharlieinNewMexico
[quote=JohnMac post_id=1581649 time=1624042323 user_id=116
The Veterans of Waterloo suffered from homelessness, alcoholism and a lack of employment. Their problems were very similar to modern Veterans.
[/quote]
Thanks for posting this
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:26 pm
by elwaclaret
CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:14 am
[quote=JohnMac post_id=1581649 time=1624042323 user_id=116
The Veterans of Waterloo suffered from homelessness, alcoholism and a lack of employment. Their problems were very similar to modern Veterans.
Thanks for posting this
[/quote]
Indeed, which is why I finished the opening post with the Peterloo reference. There were Waterloo veterans including an Oldham man killed on StPeter’s field (now Manchester Library and surroundings) in the Yeomanry attack at Peterloo… where The government/ magistrates forces had not a single veteran in the Cavalry that attacked the Reform meeting…
Yet people still think of it as a Industrial Revolution event… it wasn’t, it proceeded the Revolution and was about the old Luddite complaints and included veterans demanding the right to vote…. But they still managed to portray them as traitors… until relatively recently.
Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:34 pm
by elwaclaret
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:26 pm
Thanks for posting this
Indeed, which is why I finished the opening post with the Peterloo reference. There were Waterloo veterans including an Oldham man killed on StPeter’s field (now Manchester Library and surroundings) in the Yeomanry attack at Peterloo… where The government/ magistrates forces had not a single veteran in the Cavalry that attacked the Reform meeting…
Yet people still think of it as a Industrial Revolution event… it wasn’t, it proceeded the Revolution and was about the old Luddite class system complaints and the poor law, it included veterans demanding the right to vote…. But they still managed to portray them as traitors… until relatively recently.
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Re: Happy Waterloo Day
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:08 am
by IanMcL
Can't wait for June 23!
