Who cares anyway? You do know Portugal drew all 3 group games and won the tournament the last time, right? the knockout round they won against shitty Poland on penalties. beat Croatia deep in extra time. They won 1 time in 90 minutes in the entire tournament and that was against Wales.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:37 pmyou throw the game against the Czechs not against Scotland - after that performance England will be under pressure to win. Win today, make a load of changes and nobody will care
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yes well aware. Doesn't explain why Grealish was stuck on the wing, why Foden was taken off and Mount left on to mis-deliver every single set piece he took.KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:38 pmWho cares anyway? You do know Portugal drew all 3 group games and won the tournament the last time, right? the knockout round they won against shitty Poland on penalties. beat Croatia deep in extra time. They won 1 time in 90 minutes in the entire tournament and that was against Wales.
Dress it up how you want, I don't expect England to play well but I do expect a manager to not make basic errors in tactics. He's just a crap manager
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Grealish is a wide player lolVegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:41 pmyes well aware. Doesn't explain why Grealish was stuck on the wing, why Foden was taken off and Mount left on to mis-deliver every single set piece he took.
Dress it up how you want, I don't expect England to play well but I do expect a manager to not make basic errors in tactics. He's just a crap manager
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^^^Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:35 pmRelegated Boro
Failed with the U21's
Did nothing to warrant getting the job
Proper FA yes man
I've probably bored you all with SouthgateOut since the day he got the job but taking off Foden and then marooning Grealish out on the wing should show anyone with an ounce of faith left in him that he can't do the job - that's not someone out of their depth that's just someone who doesn't have a clue and didn't watch the game.
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Absolutely shambolic!
You should put that England shirt on and feel the most pride you’d could ever imagine as a footballer, and especially in that game! England vs Scotland , a gigantic derby game! I’m not saying this is this reason but perhaps a contributing factor…the youth of today or at least for the age that the majority of these players are at, don’t get the passion that foregone generations have, it’s not in their DNA. And that’s sad for me to say, I’m an extremely passionate person, and today I watched an England team play where very few players wanted that win, whereas the Scotland players absolutely didn’t want to lose, and for me if they had shown a tad more belief , they would have won that game , and quite comfortably.
Hundreds of thousands of pounds a week paid to these players and when the time comes to show some commitment they can’t muster it. I’m flabbergasted by that lack lustre performance .
Having said that I thought Billy Gilmour was brilliant
You should put that England shirt on and feel the most pride you’d could ever imagine as a footballer, and especially in that game! England vs Scotland , a gigantic derby game! I’m not saying this is this reason but perhaps a contributing factor…the youth of today or at least for the age that the majority of these players are at, don’t get the passion that foregone generations have, it’s not in their DNA. And that’s sad for me to say, I’m an extremely passionate person, and today I watched an England team play where very few players wanted that win, whereas the Scotland players absolutely didn’t want to lose, and for me if they had shown a tad more belief , they would have won that game , and quite comfortably.
Hundreds of thousands of pounds a week paid to these players and when the time comes to show some commitment they can’t muster it. I’m flabbergasted by that lack lustre performance .
Having said that I thought Billy Gilmour was brilliant
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Rashford is a CF but plays out on the wing. Given the fact we got nothing out of the full backs of Scotland all game we clearly needed someone (who wins loads of free-kicks) driving at them from the center of the pitch.
Did you watch the friendlies where Grealish was given a free role and he drove through the middle ? Guessing not
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What has happened to Harry Kane, he's nearly as slow as me! Still gets the shirt and the armband.
TBF, I'm not blaming him, the manager should see there's something wrong.
TBF, I'm not blaming him, the manager should see there's something wrong.
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whine and complain about Southgate all you want but complaining about him playing a wide player out wide is just bizarre, keep driving that agenda tho!!!Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:56 pmRashford is a CF but plays out on the wing. Given the fact we got nothing out of the full backs of Scotland all game we clearly needed someone (who wins loads of free-kicks) driving at them from the center of the pitch.
Did you watch the friendlies where Grealish was given a free role and he drove through the middle ? Guessing not
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Different role than at Spurs. He’ll be staying there too after these Euros. He’s made the habit of dropping off over the past couple of years and England nor Manchester City or any other too side will be wanting that.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:58 pmWhat has happened to Harry Kane, he's nearly as slow as me! Still gets the shirt and the armband.
TBF, I'm not blaming him, the manager should see there's something wrong.
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Agenda ? Not really, like the majority of people I can't understand why the fraud got the job in the first place..........and he only got it because BFS was greedy
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Why does he drop deep? His job is to score goals which he is fantastic at.
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Is he coming back from injury?
So slow. Wouldn't matter what he did tactically, he looked like a carthorse tonight.
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Really?Vino blanco wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:26 pmWorld class players? At their best, we have one world class player ...Kane.
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I agree .no point keeping someone who plays such defensive football.when England's strengths are in the attacking players
And the next game he'll play five at the back four holding midfield players..and Harry Kane
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Germany: Joachim low- won a World Cup
France: Didier Deschamps- won a World Cup European cup
Spain: Luis Enrique- won a champions league
Italy: Roberto Mancini- won Seria A and Premier league
England: Gareth Southgate- used to manage Middlesborough and used to wear a waistcoat.
France: Didier Deschamps- won a World Cup European cup
Spain: Luis Enrique- won a champions league
Italy: Roberto Mancini- won Seria A and Premier league
England: Gareth Southgate- used to manage Middlesborough and used to wear a waistcoat.
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You are complaining he played a wide player, out wide. Very much an agenda, very quick to jump on here and criticize after job done in the group stage. Peak late not early is my new motto for this tournament. I wonder if the Portugal fans were whining about their manager playing Bernardo Silva out wide when they won the Euros without winning a group game. Job done, feet up and look forward to the knockout rounds, gradually go through the gears and build momentum.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:04 pmAgenda ? Not really, like the majority of people I can't understand why the fraud got the job in the first place..........and he only got it because BFS was greedy
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The unfathomable thing today was taking Foden off, literally our only bright spark
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Spain 0-0 Sweden, Enrique out!!!!Goalposts wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:07 pmGermany: Joachim low- won a World Cup
France: Didier Deschamps- won a World Cup European cup
Spain: Luis Enrique- won a champions league
Italy: Roberto Mancini- won Seria A and Premier league
England: Gareth Southgate- used to manage Middlesborough and used to wear a waistcoat.
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Exactly! and the one real chance he had he fluffed. TBH I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did, he looks jaded to me.Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:04 pmWhy does he drop deep? His job is to score goals which he is fantastic at.
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I don't really get the Foden love-in.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:08 pmThe unfathomable thing today was taking Foden off, literally our only bright spark
Yes, he looks good on the ball, but what actually comes from it?
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I can only assume you've either been drinking and are a bit tipsy or not been paying attention since November 2016. You clearly haven't read a word I've said but that's ok.KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:07 pmYou are complaining he played a wide player, out wide. Very much an agenda, very quick to jump on here and criticize after job done in the group stage. Peak late not early is my new motto for this tournament. I wonder if the Portugal fans were whining about their manager playing Bernardo Silva out wide when they won the Euros without winning a group game. Job done, feet up and look forward to the knockout rounds, gradually go through the gears and build momentum.
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Southgate is the most successful manager since I was born, keep crying and we might sack him and bring in the mighty Capello.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:12 pmI can only assume you've either been drinking and are a bit tipsy or not been paying attention since November 2016. You clearly haven't read a word I've said but that's ok.
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pretty difficult to do it on your own. Today we had a CF that did a superb impression of a planted tree and an entire midfield that just wanted to pass sideways and backwards. He's sensational for City because they bother attackingboatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:10 pmI don't really get the Foden love-in.
Yes, he looks good on the ball, but what actually comes from it?
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I'm relaxed with my expectation of England, after years of underperformance. I think we can do well, we certainly aren't the best squad at this tournament but with a bit of luck and a favorable draw, we might be able to over achieve for once. The negativity is from people who never wanted Southgate, they are waiting for him to fail. I think i'll wait a little longer though, after qualifying for the group stages isn't exactly the greatest time to be crying Southgate out, even if it was a boring 0-0 draw. I look at Portugal drawing 3/3 group games and winning the whole thing, the negativity is certainly premature.
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4 of the best 3rd placed sides qualify for the next round, 4 points is more than enough. Portugal won the Euros and drew all 3 group games.
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Well then Gareth can build for the World Cup - we aren't good enough to beat Scotland in the rain at home but we'll beat Argentina in the 35 degree heat of Qatar
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I concur with the OP
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The negativity is based on him clearly not being deserving of the job and not being tactically good enough for the job. I also have low expectations, doesn't mean I don't want them to do well. It just won't happen with Southgate that's allKRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:20 pmI'm relaxed with my expectation of England, after years of underperformance. I think we can do well, we certainly aren't the best squad at this tournament but with a bit of luck and a favorable draw, we might be able to over achieve for once. The negativity is from people who never wanted Southgate, they are waiting for him to fail. I think i'll wait a little longer though, after qualifying for the group stages isn't exactly the greatest time to be crying Southgate out, even if it was a boring 0-0 draw. I look at Portugal drawing 3/3 group games and winning the whole thing, the negativity is certainly premature.
I'm actually beginning to think you are a Portugal fan such is your obsession with them
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Yes, I get that,Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:14 pmpretty difficult to do it on your own. Today we had a CF that did a superb impression of a planted tree and an entire midfield that just wanted to pass sideways and backwards. He's sensational for City because they bother attacking
But to be fair, playing for Man City has got to be a lot easier than playing for England...
Especially when those pesky Scots don't just roll over and get battered.
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Foden faced the same issue McNeil faces, the only threat is far easier to nullify. Which is why Mount should have gone off and Grealish should have come on at half timeboatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:24 pmYes, I get that,
But to be fair, playing for Man City has got to be a lot easier than playing for England...
Especially when those pesky Scots don't just roll over and get battered.
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I think the situation with all these tidy ball players is more a case of...Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:26 pmFoden faced the same issue McNeil faces, the only threat is far easier to nullify. Which is why Mount should have gone off and Grealish should have come on at half time
knock it around the box for a while until the real talents Aguerro, Lacazette, Silva et al, actually finish the move.
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deserving of the job? probably not but who cares? there's better things to judge him on, like results while in the job.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:24 pmThe negativity is based on him clearly not being deserving of the job and not being tactically good enough for the job. I also have low expectations, doesn't mean I don't want them to do well. It just won't happen with Southgate that's all
I'm actually beginning to think you are a Portugal fan such is your obsession with them
tactically not good enough? I mean if you say so, the results don't agree with you though. Final of the nations league, should've won it. Breezed through qualifying (something we'd previously struggled at) and semi final of a WC.
As for doing well, I'd suggest the results have been great under Southgate.
It's a results business these days, as much as I want to see mind blowing fast paced football (same with Burnley), I simply cannot argue against Dyche's results because I'd look an idiot.
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all players that move and don't impersonate said planted tree !boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:29 pmI think the situation with all these tidy ball players is more a case of...
knock it around the box for a while until the real talents Aguerro, Lacazette, Silva et al, actually finish the move.
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Precisely.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pmall players that move and don't impersonate said planted tree !
And we produce lots of very good "functional" players, but fewer matchwinners.
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i doubt krbfc is actually an advocate of southgate.
he's just one of those weird types who thrives on being a bellend on the internet.
he's probably normal in the real world; or at least portrays a veneer of normality.
southgate is a rabbit in the headlights and everybody knows it krbfc - even you.
he's just one of those weird types who thrives on being a bellend on the internet.
he's probably normal in the real world; or at least portrays a veneer of normality.
southgate is a rabbit in the headlights and everybody knows it krbfc - even you.
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I don't agree with that unless one of Rice or Phillips should have been hooked for another forward as well to change the formation.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:26 pmFoden faced the same issue McNeil faces, the only threat is far easier to nullify. Which is why Mount should have gone off and Grealish should have come on at half time
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Southgate is never going to play without 2 holding midfielders, I mean he wasn't brave enough to do it at home to Scotland - I dread to think what formation he would play against someone like FranceTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:37 pmI don't agree with that unless one of Rice or Phillips should have been hooked for another forward as well to change the formation.
Pickford
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I'm not sure how halting the mass panic and negativity makes me a bellend, we were crap to watch there's no doubt but upon reflection it's job done and I'll wait for the rest of the tournament to play out before casting judgement.yTib wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:35 pmi doubt krbfc is actually an advocate of southgate.
he's just one of those weird types who thrives on being a bellend on the internet.
he's probably normal in the real world; or at least portrays a veneer of normality.
southgate is a rabbit in the headlights and everybody knows it krbfc - even you.
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Kane? Steady now.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:41 pmSouthgate is never going to play without 2 holding midfielders, I mean he wasn't brave enough to do it at home to Scotland - I dread to think what formation he would play against someone like France
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Stones's header goes in and everyone would be blowing smoke up Gareth's arse...as someone often says: "fine margins"
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No idea why.Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:04 pmWhy does he drop deep? His job is to score goals which he is fantastic at.
We're still p1ssing about around the box with no one in it.
I'd have stuck Calvert Lewin on with Kane and got balls in t' box.
We're so boring it's untrue.
A 0-0 against Scotland isn't the end of the world (in this competition or otherwise), but the manner of it makes you wonder.
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He is paid bucket loads, his remit is to win a major tournament. I'd love it for you to come on here in a few weeks and rub a tournament win in all our faces but I just don't see it remotely possible with Southgate
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Exactly, with the players at his disposal he should be getting more of a tune out of them but I think you’ve also got to make allowances in this instance & credit Scotland who played very well & took the game to us just as much as we did to them, overall it’s not that damaging it wasn’t a defeat.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:45 pmStones's header goes in and everyone would be blowing smoke up Gareth's arse...as someone often says: "fine margins"
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Win a major tournament? I genuinely don’t think England will win a major tournament in my lifetime. Some expectations them, no wonder you’re so disappointed with a draw in the group stages than secure our qualification into the knockout round.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:58 pmHe is paid bucket loads, his remit is to win a major tournament. I'd love it for you to come on here in a few weeks and rub a tournament win in all our faces but I just don't see it remotely possible with Southgate
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set out by the FA not me !!!! I don't expect us to get out of groups
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Grealish shouldn’t have come on at all. He did sod all but fall over about seven or eight times. His movement off the ball was non existent. I failed to understand why a great cheer went up when he came on and Foden went off. But then the cheer came from ENGLISH football fans who, as we all know, are as thick as ****.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:26 pmFoden faced the same issue McNeil faces, the only threat is far easier to nullify. Which is why Mount should have gone off and Grealish should have come on at half time