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Aww, bless the little loves...

Post by tarkys_ears » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:55 pm

They didn't half look confused when VAR didn't show up every 3 seconds and they couldn't get a free kick/penalty for dragging their legs behind them.

Shows just how

1) Entitled they are

2) Just how ATROCIOUS the reffing is in the PL.


This ref fell for a bit but he was 10x better than anything in the Prem.
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Post by BabylonClaret » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:52 pm

The Sterling pen shout was laughable. To be fair if he had given it VAR wouldn't have overturned it but the touch was very slight.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:54 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:52 pm
The Sterling pen shout was laughable. To be fair if he had given it VAR wouldn't have overturned it but the touch was very slight.
He'd run out of room. Basically tried to con the ref. Embarrassing.

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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:54 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:52 pm
The Sterling pen shout was laughable. To be fair if he had given it VAR wouldn't have overturned it but the touch was very slight.
Never a pen, but that's how embarrassing England were tonight.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:00 pm

It's funny how these players go from 1-2 metre strides to 30cm ones when someones leg is near them.

It's pathetic.

Grealish got away with a few blatant dives down the wing towards the end too.
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Post by minnieclaret » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:52 pm
The Sterling pen shout was laughable. To be fair if he had given it VAR wouldn't have overturned it but the touch was very slight.
I wouldn’t have given a pen but he did get contact. Yet only 5 mins later Mings shaved a Scots boot and McCoist is saying clear foul. The Sterling incident was far more of a foul.
BTW the ref is getting a lot of plaudits, I thought he made plenty of mistakes.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:33 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pm
I wouldn’t have given a pen but he did get contact. Yet only 5 mins later Mings shaved a Scots boot and McCoist is saying clear foul. The Sterling incident was far more of a foul.
BTW the ref is getting a lot of plaudits, I thought he made plenty of mistakes.
That's just McCoist for you.
Can't blame him really.

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:34 pm

It gets given as a penalty in the Premier League 9 times out of 10.

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Post by dsr » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:47 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pm
I wouldn’t have given a pen but he did get contact. Yet only 5 mins later Mings shaved a Scots boot and McCoist is saying clear foul. The Sterling incident was far more of a foul.
BTW the ref is getting a lot of plaudits, I thought he made plenty of mistakes.
"He did get contact"?!? That's just another way of saying that the two players touched each other. Please do not fall for the prevalent idea that if two players touch it is a foul and all the ref has to decide is who fell over first. There is no penalisable offence of "making contact", and if there was, it could only mean that both sides get a free kick at the same time.
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Post by dsr » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:48 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:34 pm
It gets given as a penalty in the Premier League 9 times out of 10.
And it would be wrong 9 times out of 10. Our refs, as controlled by the hopeless Elleray I believe, would automatically give a foui for anyone who touches another player and throws himself down.

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Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:49 pm

I think we are seeing refs who are not so easily conned as our PL ones.
And our PL VAR isn't helping

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:03 am

Weird thing is that for years English fans have accused foreigners for diving and cheating.

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:08 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:03 am
Weird thing is that for years English fans have accused foreigners for diving and cheating.
And no doubt we'll continue. What's your point?

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:25 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:08 am
And no doubt we'll continue. What's your point?
Fairly obvious. We're as bad, if not worse for it.

May be a case that foreign refs have been dealing with it for longer and are less susceptible to being conned so our players don't get away with it in internationals like they do every week in the PL.

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Post by bfcmik » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:43 am

Sterling clearly had his toe stood on. At the speed of modern football there is practically no way you could stay on your feet with that contact. Even in walking football it isn't easy to stay on your feet whilst moving if your feet are stood on or you calf/ankle is tapped from behind

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Post by timshorts » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:22 am

minnieclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pm
I wouldn’t have given a pen but he did get contact. Yet only 5 mins later Mings shaved a Scots boot and McCoist is saying clear foul. The Sterling incident was far more of a foul.
BTW the ref is getting a lot of plaudits, I thought he made plenty of mistakes.
The bale penalty was similar. He definitely bought that by leaving his right foot to get caught up. I had very mixed feelings about that one. In the long run I'm glad he missed the penalty as I didn't want to win that way.
I'd make a rubbish spain/Liverpool/grealish fan.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:01 am

bfcmik wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:43 am
Sterling clearly had his toe stood on. At the speed of modern football there is practically no way you could stay on your feet with that contact. Even in walking football it isn't easy to stay on your feet whilst moving if your feet are stood on or you calf/ankle is tapped from behind
You can’t honestly be saying that because someone gets his “toe” stood on after he over ran the ball and is otherwise heading to the stands he deserves a penalty. Surely???

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Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:14 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:01 am
You can’t honestly be saying that because someone gets his “toe” stood on after he over ran the ball and is otherwise heading to the stands he deserves a penalty. Surely???
Are the refs meant to take into account where the ball is going? I’ve seen plenty of penalties when the attackers have no chance of keeping the ballin play.

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Post by minnieclaret » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:14 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:01 am
You can’t honestly be saying that because someone gets his “toe” stood on after he over ran the ball and is otherwise heading to the stands he deserves a penalty. Surely???
So if the ball hadn’t been going out would you have give it? That shouldn’t make any difference.
I’ve said above that I wouldn’t have given it but it was one where if the ref had given it VAR would not have overturned the decision.

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Post by minnieclaret » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:16 am

dsr wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:47 pm
"He did get contact"?!? That's just another way of saying that the two players touched each other. Please do not fall for the prevalent idea that if two players touch it is a foul and all the ref has to decide is who fell over first. There is no penalisable offence of "making contact", and if there was, it could only mean that both sides get a free kick at the same time.
My point was that it wasn’t a dive. He fell because contact was made.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:18 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:14 am
Are the refs meant to take into account where the ball is going? I’ve seen plenty of penalties when the attackers have no chance of keeping the ballin play.
Refs are supposed to have a certain amount of inherent skills where they can identify whether a player has @@@@ed up and is just trying to make the best of a bad job?

Or don’t you agree

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:20 am

minnieclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:16 am
My point was that it wasn’t a dive. He fell because contact was made.
That’s absolutely ********.

He over ran the ball, felt a tickle on his pinkie and screamed like he’d been garotted.

Nonsense.
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Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:23 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:20 am
That’s absolutely ********.

He over ran the ball, felt a tickle on his pinkie and screamed like he’d been garotted.

Nonsense.
Spot on.

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Post by Zlatan » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:04 am

Sterling was clearly tripped

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Post by duncandisorderly » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:16 am

I bet it's difficult to scream whilst being garrotted.

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:22 am

duncandisorderly wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:16 am
I bet it's difficult to scream whilst being garrotted.
I’ll have to google that. But it’s an excellent point!

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:23 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:04 am
Sterling was clearly tripped
Oh come on 👀👀👀

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Post by Zlatan » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:04 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:23 am
Oh come on 👀👀👀
Watch it again, clear trip. At the time I thought it was a penalty, would’ve been soft though but still a penalty going by the standards we’ve had to put up with the past few years

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Post by minnieclaret » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:09 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:20 am
That’s absolutely ********.

He over ran the ball, felt a tickle on his pinkie and screamed like he’d been garotted.

Nonsense.
You’ve obviously never been running at pace and had somebody stand on your toe.
You go down. Might not warrant the squealing pig but you still go down.

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Post by Spijed » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:10 am

The Gareth Bale penalty was just as soft yet was given.

Inconsistencies still remain. Likewise the laughable penalty against Croatia.

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Post by taio » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:34 am

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:10 am
The Gareth Bale penalty was just as soft yet was given.

Inconsistencies still remain. Likewise the laughable penalty against Croatia.
Bring back inconsistencies all day for me as long as that means no or minimal VAR. I don't want robotic influence and perfection. As soon as that happens I'll stop watching. I enjoy the spontaneity of what football is, or what it was, and talking about it in the pub afterwards. If you want consistency you're going to end up enormously disappointed at the end result.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:41 am

tarkys_ears wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:55 pm
They didn't half look confused when VAR didn't show up every 3 seconds and they couldn't get a free kick/penalty for dragging their legs behind them.

Shows just how

1) Entitled they are

2) Just how ATROCIOUS the reffing is in the PL.


This ref fell for a bit but he was 10x better than anything in the Prem.


“are you f****** sure? You spend half your f****** life on the floor, son!”


What Dyche thinks about Sterling.

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Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:41 am

minnieclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:09 am
You’ve obviously never been running at pace and had somebody stand on your toe.
You go down. Might not warrant the squealing pig but you still go down.
He wasn’t running at pace though was he, he’d slowed to almost a stop, he was probably hoping for a push in the back. Yes there was contact with his toe. But he wasn’t fouled, not in a million years. You obviously agree with the “there was contact, he had a right to go down” crap.

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Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:49 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:18 am
Refs are supposed to have a certain amount of inherent skills where they can identify whether a player has @@@@ed up and is just trying to make the best of a bad job?

Or don’t you agree
It would stop a lot of diving if the rule was changed so it couldn’t be a penalty/foul if the contact came after it looks like the attacker has lost control of the ball or if it would probably have gone out of play.

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Post by Ric_C » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:15 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:01 am
You can’t honestly be saying that because someone gets his “toe” stood on after he over ran the ball and is otherwise heading to the stands he deserves a penalty. Surely???
Kind of cost Tarks his international career

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Post by Ric_C » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:17 pm

My take on the sterling pen.

Was it a pen? - no but I've seen them given
Would that be given in the prem? - yes especially to the big teams
Am I glad it was not given? - yes. Hopefully this is a wake-up call for Southgate and his **** system

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Post by Spijed » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:35 pm

I doubt the pen against Croatia would have been given in the prem. It's ridiculous when two players jump in the box, both looking at the ball and the defender gets penalised.

Players like Ben Mee would be in trouble every single game.

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