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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:50 am
A German side in transition with a manager leaving. Will be some excuse like that.

Knockout game at Wembley against Germany after a **** 16-18 months, in front of fans, pubs are open just enjoy it ffs
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:53 am

gtclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:09 am
The question was IF we exit the competition in 5 days time, will it be a failure. So far, given the players at Southgate disposal, looking at the quality of the opposition and our performances, England have fallen short. We are capable of beating Germany and looking good doing it, I just don't believe that Southgate will set up the team tactically and mentally for that to happen
I am tempted to agree with this post (though I think we MAY edge it). In terms of players at his disposal though, that defence and goalie does not look great compared to players like Dias, Neuer etc, and the holding midfield does not look great when compared to Kante etc. Up front, sure, we look good.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by gtclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:57 am

I hope we beat Germany. Out it this way, Burnley are rightly regarded as successful by remaining in the prem, even though we lack goals and we have to scrap for a win. What if we continued like this but we managed to sign, Kane, Stirling, Mount, Saca, Foden and Grealish, would it still be regarded as successful? England are not the Wales of this competition or the Burnley of the Prem, we deserve better

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:00 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 am
I’m no England fan, but by god I hope they win it to shove it right up some of you. Nothings ever good enough, semi finals of World Cup against expectations (easy route), very good nations league performance (not good enough), solid qualifying (it was easy), top of group no dramas 7 points, no goals conceded (but why didn’t he pway Gwealish, it so unfair, and why does he start Sterling he’s shite other than His 14 goals in the last 18 internationals what does he do)….. I hope they win it just to show the idiocy of the assessment of the England team, and defeatist nature that too many have.

As pre tournament favourites (joint-favourites with France with some betting firms) it is surely time for England to win a tournament that is largely being staged in our own backyard. A team cannot ask for more than all of their games thus far being staged at their own National Stadium (Wembley). Most countries are rightly expected to deliver in a Home tournament.

Some post on here as though we went into the tournament as rank outsiders. :P
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:02 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:00 am
As pre tournament favourites (joint-favourites with France with some betting firms) it is surely time for England to win a tournament that is largely being staged in our their backyard. A team cannot ask for me than all of their games thus far being staged at their own National Stadium (Wembley). Most countries are rightly expected to deliver in a Home tournament.

Some post on here as though we went into the tournament as rank outsiders. :P

Do you think there is another reason why bookies in England price up England a bit shorter than what they should be other than they are the best team ?

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:03 am

gtclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:56 am
Not nonsensical, Southgate has been given a group of the most talented players we have had since the 1960s.They are capable of attacking with pace skill and power. Southgate has instilled fear in them, they hesitate, withdraw into defence mode after 30 minutes. These players should frighten the life out of the opposition when in possession moving forward, but they don't. If England are prevented from playing to their strengths, as they have been, we will lose and in will have been a failure. I have a feeling that Southgate will be Germanys best weapon.
It's completely nonsensical. For a start the game hasn't been played yet, and so far the team hasn't put a foot wrong despite performances not being fantastic. If we lose to Germany it may be a failure depending of the nature of the performance, but we may put in a fantastic display and be on the unfortunate end of the scoreline. We may even win. So to say that losing in the last 16 would be a failure regardless of the circumstances is, like I say, nonsensical. Germany are second favourites to lift the trophy, the delusion or arrogance of some fans to think that we have a divine right to beat these sides is what leads to such negativity.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by dandeclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:08 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:00 am
As pre tournament favourites (joint-favourites with France with some betting firms) it is surely time for England to win a tournament that is largely being staged in our own backyard. A team cannot ask for more than all of their games thus far being staged at their own National Stadium (Wembley). Most countries are rightly expected to deliver in a Home tournament.

Some post on here as though we went into the tournament as rank outsiders. :P
Who were favourites with the bookmakers in Germany? What about in Italy? What about in France? Unsurprisingly, bookmakers will price their home nation shorter, as they get a lot of patriotic money. England were amongst the favourites on the 100% Book, along with Italy, Germany, France and Spain. Apparently it would be embarrassing to lose to one of these sides who were in the group of favourites.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:15 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:08 am
Who were favourites with the bookmakers in Germany? What about in Italy? What about in France? Unsurprisingly, bookmakers will price their home nation shorter, as they get a lot of patriotic money. England were amongst the favourites on the 100% Book, along with Italy, Germany, France and Spain. Apparently it would be embarrassing to lose to one of these sides who were in the group of favourites.

According to the Racing Post on 3 June 2021 England were outright 4/1 Favourites on the Betfair Exchange.

All of the games thus far at Wembley we SHOULD be delivering and progressing.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:16 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:02 am
Do you think there is another reason why bookies in England price up England a bit shorter than what they should be other than they are the best team ?

England were outright 4/1 clear favourites on the Betfair Exchange.

Isn't that global?

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:20 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:39 pm
I’m sure as the game gets nearer optimism will rise and we will all sit down in front of our TVs thinking it will be different this time. We always do and we always end up disappointed.
Better losing to Germany than Hungary I suppose.
Nothing to do with the era of social media, we’ve been getting beaten by Germany in tournaments going back half a century
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:35 am

Yes over history those figures give us a chance on paper. There are other figures between the 2 sides in the last 50+ years that are not too encouraging.
I’ll be shouting for England and while pessimistic will be jubilant if they overturn the form book . Germany have been hit and miss so far but will England and Southgate have what it takes to take advantage? I don’t think so

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:37 am

Best possible fixture from that group.

I think England will win 2-0 quite comfortably.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:42 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:35 am
Yes over history those figures give us a chance on paper. There are other figures between the 2 sides in the last 50+ years that are not too encouraging.
I’ll be shouting for England and while pessimistic will be jubilant if they overturn the form book . Germany have been hit and miss so far but will England and Southgate have what it takes to take advantage? I don’t think so
Last ten games.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:46 am

Ultimately this comes down to what standards we demand of ourselves and others. Some of us are happy with giving it a go, others demand more. I don’t mind (1996) losing on pens to Germany in a semi, but I do mind it if we never practiced them. I don’t mind (2010) going out of the World Cup to Germany from a goal not given that was way over the line, but I do mind if we were only in that game because the USA topped our group because our keeper threw one in the net.

It’s all about context.

So maybe no, not necessarily a failure, but our history usually is. The Germans have nothing like our baggage.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:07 am

I think we will beat them. Not concerned about them in the slightest.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:08 am

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:00 am
The OP clearly waving their rod in the water hoping to get a few nibbles
You can get locked up for that! :D
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:09 am

I’m just glad our lads in 1944 in Normandy didn’t have the same mindset as some of our fans we might as well have just turned around.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by brexit » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:58 am

“Being an England supporter is like being the over-optimistic parents of the fat kid on sports day.”
— John Bishop
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by JTClaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:16 am

Covid really has affected the Euros. The fact there has been no media hype (it is still very negative about the team), we don't have the usual bombardment of football adverts on TV (which I'm missing, I always look forward to them) and people aren't piling in the pubs to watch the games surrounded by crowds of people stood around, there just isn't the same buzz.

I've got the same England feeling I have about England games for friendlies, I'll watch them, but I don't feel invested - Even my son noticed as he didn't know it was 1-0 the other night where as if Burnley are playing you can hear me down the street haha

All this said, the attitude of Southgate and the players is really promising. He doesn't hide from how he prioritises team spirit and the physiological aspect of the game. It's very Burnley. Don't get too high, or too low following a result - We won the group unbeaten ffs. I've come to the conclusion that Southgate would be a perfect fit for Burnley when the time comes that Dyche leaves - Doesn't have the glamour, very pragmatic, opinions don't phase him, but he has a system and method very similar to what we have at Burnley.

Tell you what though... beat the Germans and everything will change. The Euros will actually start for England then, weirdly.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:40 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:42 am
Last ten games.
You raised me the last 20 years , I’ll raise you the major final tournaments ( not qualifiers) when the 2 countries have met.
We got to the last World Cup semis and Southgate didn’t get the credit such an achievement deserved.
Beating the Germans this time in a major I believe will gain him a lot of new respect

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:49 am

England will be favourites to win this game both with the bookies and on the betting exchanges.

Played at Wembley, an increase in crowd numbers, England should be making the most of home advantage and progressing further in the Euros.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:56 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:49 am
England will be favourites to win this game both with the bookies and on the betting exchanges.

Played at Wembley, an increase in crowd numbers, England should be making the most of home advantage and progressing further in the Euros.
England to qualify 4/5
Germany to qualify 10/11

Not much in it

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:10 pm

With England at home to have to give it to them to have the edge over the Germans . But and this is a big but all depends which German side turns up as play like they did agianst Portugal and the Germans will distory the English .

So will sit on the fence and go with a 1-1 draw and pens .

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:20 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:40 am
You raised me the last 20 years , I’ll raise you the major final tournaments ( not qualifiers) when the 2 countries have met.
We got to the last World Cup semis and Southgate didn’t get the credit such an achievement deserved.
Beating the Germans this time in a major I believe will gain him a lot of new respect
Do world cup qualifiers not count?

That 5-1 in Munich is one of the most complete performances you will ever see from any team ever. Absolutely world class performance that night in their back yard

We beat them in the final in '66.

We beat them in Euro 2000 when they were the holders.

In 90 and 96 semis we held them on the night and only penalties separated us. Granted we ultimately lost. But penalties are a real lottery and had they gone the other way our record all of a sudden is vastly superior head to head and in major competition.

The only really disappointing performances from an effort perspective are the last game at Wembley when Keegan resigned and the 2010 world cup when we were abysmal.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Cubanclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:24 pm

I have never watched so little of a major tournament’s group games in my adult life, just been too busy with work and life commitments sadly. And partly because of that, I feel less invested than usual in the outcome, a one-off between England and Germany could go either way be the two sides currently have very similar attributes. So it would be more a disappointment than necessarily a failure. If we get outplayed it would be a failure. I can well imagine a 0-0 or 1-1 and a penalty shoot-out but you just hope we might produce something stirring like that 4-1 win be holland in 96. Germany don’t look quite right at the minute for whatever reason, It feels like the england players are rallying around each other a bit more somehow. I think Southgate has shown really good management and understanding about his players, their life journeys and moulded a team that believes in each other. I’d love to see him succeed.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by arise_sir_charge » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:28 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:10 pm
With England at home to have to give it to them to have the edge over the Germans . But and this is a big but all depends which German side turns up as play like they did agianst Portugal and the Germans will distory the English .

So will sit on the fence and go with a 1-1 draw and pens .
To be honest I think the Portugal side are bang average.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:20 pm



We beat them in the final in '66.

That was about two weeks ago wasn't it 8-)

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:39 pm

Along with Belgium we've definitely been unlucky with the draw as the other 4 group winners have got the following teams in the last 16

Switzerland
Austria
Czech Republic
Ukraine

No shame going out to the Germans if we put in a good performance but if we win then to not go on to reach the last 4 would be disappointing

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:45 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:00 am
The OP clearly waving their rod in the water hoping to get a few nibbles
Yes and no. I thought I’d get the negativity out of the way straight away then we can all get behind the England team. Boy, this country needs a big win on Tuesday!
So many times in the big tournaments it’s been a case of we’re going to beat them this time, only to be left feeling deflated once more. Good enough to take them to penalties twice but not good enough to win the penalty shoot out. So near and yet so far away.
Please no more disappointment for those old enough to remember the hurt
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by AfloatinClaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:12 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:58 pm
...is in fact Germany who are playing the pre tournament favourites. ;)
Only in the UK though, I suspect that the odds being offered would've varied in other European countries? I'm not a regular gambler, but for a number of years, whenever there's been an Ashes Series I've laid £30-£50 in bets on England, via a good friend in Australia, whilst I have similarly lay his bets in the UK; it makes a significant difference to the odds you'll be offered.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:30 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:34 pm
That was about two weeks ago wasn't it 8-)
No. But for some reason the OP didnt want to know about recent head to heads when it didnt suit the agenda. 8-)

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:32 pm

Germany are a decent side, but in the past year in the Nations League they failed to beat Switzerland twice and lost 6 - 0 to Spain. They lost 2 -1 at home in the World Cup qualifiers to North Macedonia. Currently they are in third place in their group behind those footballing giants North Macedonia and Armenia. They couldn't beat Hungary.

So buck up, get behind your team and country.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by timshorts » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:54 pm

Hungary were unlucky. How Sane stayed on the pitch for the full game I have no idea. When the ref didn't send him off, the German manager ought to have yanked him. He should never have started in the first place.

If the Germans that played Portugal turn up, they will win. If the Germans that played Hungary turn up, then it will probably be an even game, with England maybe having the edge due to home advantage. the key to Hungary's success appeared to be their negating the German wing backs (half helped by one of them having double-agent Sane dumped in front of him).

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:07 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:30 pm
No. But for some reason the OP didnt want to know about recent head to heads when it didnt suit the agenda. 8-)
I know , let’s all ignore the outcome between the two nations in the big tournaments when it really matters.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:30 pm

timshorts wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:54 pm
Hungary were unlucky. How Sane stayed on the pitch for the full game I have no idea. When the ref didn't send him off, the German manager ought to have yanked him. He should never have started in the first place.

If the Germans that played Portugal turn up, they will win. If the Germans that played Hungary turn up, then it will probably be an even game, with England maybe having the edge due to home advantage. the key to Hungary's success appeared to be their negating the German wing backs (half helped by one of them having double-agent Sane dumped in front of him).
Sane was crap and also seems to be a complete cock.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:12 pm

If Southgate wants to silence the doubters, this is probably his best chance against a very average Germany side.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:15 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:12 pm
Only in the UK though, I suspect that the odds being offered would've varied in other European countries? I'm not a regular gambler, but for a number of years, whenever there's been an Ashes Series I've laid £30-£50 in bets on England, via a good friend in Australia, whilst I have similarly lay his bets in the UK; it makes a significant difference to the odds you'll be offered.
According to the prices quoted pre tournament on Betfair England were quoted at 4/1 Germany double that price at 8/1.

Betfair is reportedly the worlds largest Online Gambling Company available in more then 40 countries.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:18 pm

For all those writing Germany off just beware, they've demolished the reigning champions Portugal 4-2, lost narrowly to a France team that most people expect to win the tournament, yes they weren't great against Hungary, but they showed character to fight back and nick the point to take them through, as they did in the Portugal game as well after conceding early.

In fact they've conceded 1st in all 3 of their group matches, however they only lost 1 of those games, so even if England do go ahead on Tuesday I certainly won't be counting any chickens especially with our suspect defence.

This isn't a great German side, mind you how often have we said that down the years, and they've ended up at the business end of a major tournament,

I note September 2001 and the 5-1 Munich game was mentioned, yes England blew them away that memorable night, however just 8/9 months later it was Germany lining up to play Brazil in the WC final, and England had been sent packing in the quarter-finals.

England do have a chance absolutely, but we'll need to improve from what we've shown thus far, and our big players will need to come to the party, yes Harry Kane I do mean you.

Both teams will be well aware that win this one, and there's every chance you could be in the final in a couple of weeks, so there's plenty of incentive for both to prevail.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:23 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:12 pm
If Southgate wants to silence the doubters, this is probably his best chance against a very average Germany side.
Yes for all England relative success in the last few years, what GS lacks is a statement win at a major tournament, there's been some in the qualifiers and NL games, Belgium & Spain spring immediately to mind, but none yet at a big stage, so certainly GS will gain a lot of good faith if England do overcome the traditional foe on Tuesday, and this is a fairly average German side, so the chance to cement his place in English footballing folklore is definitely there for him should he wish to accept it.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by djemba-djemba » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:34 pm

I’m very much looking forward to the game.

Hopefully we put in a good performance and progress to shut all those people on here up who were saying they’d rather watch paint dry than England (who will more than likely be glued to their tv like the rest of us).

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:38 pm

I was wondering what leads to our pessimism then I’ve just noticed that despite an easy group England have fewer shots on goal than every other team apart from Finland and Hungary :shock: .

Let’s be honest, given our attacking players, that’s dreadful.

Based on the last year or three we also expect a defensive wobble every now and again. I hope he succeeds but if he doesn’t, one of those two factors will have come back to haunt him, probably both.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:47 pm

I’m sure Southgate would love to accept the chance to cement his place in English footballing folklore . The question is one of his ability to be good enough to influence the result in a positive way.
While everybody will be judging him on his starting eleven his biggest decisions on the night might be his substitutions and tactics.
These Germans are wily battle hardened devils and Southgate will need to react quickly at key moments and even take the initiate at times during the game. These, in my opinion , will be the biggest , most important factors.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by dandeclaret » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:36 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:15 pm
According to the prices quoted pre tournament on Betfair England were quoted at 4/1 Germany double that price at 8/1.

Betfair is reportedly the worlds largest Online Gambling Company available in more then 40 countries.
World's largest gambling exchange, and a part of the worlds largest gambling company (Flutter entertainment) along with Paddy Power, Skybet, Sportsbet (Australia) Pokerstars (Global), Fanduel (America), TVG (America) and Adjarabet (Georgia). The exchange probably makes up 2-3% of Flutter's revenue, and is sometimes a seperate exchange based on local gambling rules.

England vs GErmany Pretty much priced up in both countries on the 100% book at even money...... a flip of a coin, that apparently would be an embarrassment to lose. Wonder how all those captains who lose the toss at the start of the game feel being an embarrassment to their team mates?

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by superdimitri » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:57 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:50 am
A German side in transition with a manager leaving. Will be some excuse like that.

Knockout game at Wembley against Germany after a **** 16-18 months, in front of fans, pubs are open just enjoy it ffs
Manager past his best.
According to some beating Croatia was expected. You know, that Modric is just past it now.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by AfloatinClaret » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:31 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:38 pm
...I’ve just noticed that despite an easy group England have fewer shots on goal than every other team apart from Finland and Hungary...given our attacking players, that’s dreadful...
But perhaps not surprising given that we've played the majority of all three games so far with a side containing only ten active players and the inactive one being the player designated as our main striker.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:05 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:07 pm
I know , let’s all ignore the outcome between the two nations in the big tournaments when it really matters.
As I pointed out.

Beat them when it really mattered in a final. Went out on pens after drawing and giving them a great game in both semis we have met. Beat them when they were holders in 2000. Absolutely pasted them in qualifiying for 2002 away with one of the best performances you will ever see. And were abysmal against them in 2010 and home qualifier in 2001.

So all in all fairly even with us winning the most important of all.
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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:08 am

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:18 pm
I note September 2001 and the 5-1 Munich game was mentioned, yes England blew them away that memorable night, however just 8/9 months later it was Germany lining up to play Brazil in the WC final, and England had been sent packing in the quarter-finals.

We could and should have beat Brazil in the quarter finals.

Brazil then blew germany away in the final. After beating Turkey in the semis.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by Leon_C » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:34 am

Code: Select all

Jun 17, 2000	England 1-0 Germany	Euro 2000 group stage	
Oct 7, 2000	England 0-1 Germany	World Cup 2002 qualifier	
Sep 1, 2001	Germany 1-5 England	World Cup 2002 qualifier	
Aug 22, 2007	England 1-2 Germany	Friendly	
Nov 19, 2008	Germany 1-2 England	Friendly	
Aug 22, 2010	Germany 4-1 England	World Cup 2010 last 16	
Nov 19, 2013	England 0-1 Germany	Friendly	
Mar 26, 2016	Germany 2-3 England	Friendly	
Mar 22, 2017	Germany 1-0 England	Friendly	
Nov 10, 2017	England 0-0 Germany	Friendly	
Jun 29, 2021	England - Germany	Euro 2020 last 16	
Now, if this list (from goal.com) is correct, from all of the matches this century (including friendlies) - we've won 4, lost 5 and drawn 1.
If you only count competitive matches, it 2-2.

That isn't too bad, in my eyes.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:31 pm

gtclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:56 am
Not nonsensical, Southgate has been given a group of the most talented players we have had since the 1960s.They are capable of attacking with pace skill and power. Southgate has instilled fear in them, they hesitate, withdraw into defence mode after 30 minutes. These players should frighten the life out of the opposition when in possession moving forward, but they don't. If England are prevented from playing to their strengths, as they have been, we will lose and in will have been a failure. I have a feeling that Southgate will be Germanys best weapon.
That is nonsense tbf, I don't think Mings, Shaw, Stones, Phillips or Rice get into any England squad in the last 20 years.

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Re: Exit at last 16 is a failure

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:41 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:00 am
As pre tournament favourites (joint-favourites with France with some betting firms) it is surely time for England to win a tournament that is largely being staged in our own backyard. A team cannot ask for more than all of their games thus far being staged at their own National Stadium (Wembley). Most countries are rightly expected to deliver in a Home tournament.

Some post on here as though we went into the tournament as rank outsiders. :P
England have never won the Euros, NEVER.

I was listening to Nigel De Jong speak about England, the over hype and pressure we put on the national team is hilarious. Having never won the tournament before, you would think the expectation would drop down a few notches over time but if anything it just ramps up further. I don't quite understand it, pick a team who have never won the UCL, you wouldn't expect them to suddenly win the UCL.

A failure if we lose to Germany? where do people get this ridiculous ego and expectation from, while shitting on the national team as not good enough? which one is it?

the OP is like many people saying its a failure to lose to Germany, but at the same time is CERTAIN Germany are gonna beat England because Germany are a better side and England are crap. It literally makes zero sense.

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