Southgate Contract to be Extended

[Rowls]

It is widely reported that Southgate will have his contract extended and FA sources quoted that they want him to stay in the role until 2024.

It's a bad joke.

[yTib]

how wide?

[cricketfieldclarets]

Why’s it a bad joke? Doing a good job. The players like him. He has zero baggage. He conducts himself well. Achieved more with less than so called better managers before him has.

And could just take us to the semis again or beyond. Tuesday will be tough no doubt.

But name a better man for the job who would actually want it.

[Bin Ont Turf]

how wide?

The mouth of the Ganges wide.

[yTib]

But name a better man for the job who would actually want it.

brian laws?

[Damo]

I don't think he picks the team or sets the tactics

[yTib]

I don't think he picks the team or sets the tactics

i don't think he picks his nose or sets his tasticles.

[Vegas Claret]

Why’s it a bad joke? Doing a good job. The players like him. He has zero baggage. He conducts himself well. Achieved more with less than so called better managers before him has.

And could just take us to the semis again or beyond. Tuesday will be tough no doubt.

But name a better man for the job who would actually want it.

Wenger ?

[Damo]

i don't think he picks his nose or sets his tasticles.

Edgy..

[KefkaClaret]

We lost to the first decent side we faced in 2018, Colombia was missing some of their best players. Give him 2022 and go from there.

[Vegas Claret]

We lost to the first decent side we faced in 2018, Colombia was missing some of their best players. Give him 2022 and go from there.

2022 as in 22 minutes past 8 ? I'm ok with that version

[KefkaClaret]

I don’t think sacking him after this euros is the answer, next manager probably won’t have enough time to work out the squad and if say we crash out of the groups in Qatar with a new manager, do we sack them?

[Vegas Claret]

I don’t think sacking him after this euros is the answer, next manager probably won’t have enough time to work out the squad and if say we crash out of the groups in Qatar with a new manager, do we sack them?

Seems to work for the current European Champions

[Woodleyclaret]

As stated previously club or country ? With this clown and the media picking his team along with failed coaches he has to help him, we've no chance ever of having a decent national team.

[beddie]

Beat the Germans on Tuesday and opinions will change.

[Zlatan]

It’s a poisoned chalice for managers really. He’s not succeeded, but also not failed. I disagree with many of his selections but until we get beat by Gibraltar in a World Cup qualifier he’s doing all he can. We can only beat who we get in front of us. We won’t win this tournament IMO, but I do think we’ll beat Germany, if anything because the Germans don’t look like the force they once were.

[Gordaleman]

Wenger ?

Best England manager we never had. Even better than Cloughie.

[Gordaleman]

We lost to the first decent side we faced in 2018, Colombia was missing some of their best players. Give him 2022 and go from there.

Yes, we played two decent teams, Croatia and Belgium and contrived to lose to them three times.

That said, Tuesday is probably our best chance to beat Germany in a major competition for ages. After all, they couldn't even beat Hungary on their own patch.

[KRBFC]

It’s a poisoned chalice for managers really. He’s not succeeded, but also not failed. I disagree with many of his selections but until we get beat by Gibraltar in a World Cup qualifier he’s doing all he can. We can only beat who we get in front of us. We won’t win this tournament IMO, but I do think we’ll beat Germany, if anything because the Germans don’t look like the force they once were.

It entirely depends what you consider success, surely it should be taking the team forward and out performing the previous managers?
Surely you're not another expecting us to win tournaments, expectation should come from previous results and placings. Semi finals of a WC for England is success. It wasn't that long ago we failed to qualify for the Euros with Mcclaren, Roy struggled to qualification and lost to Iceland. We got absolutely battered by the Germans at the WC 4-1. The teams with previous for winning tournaments and going deep typically expect to win tournaments or go on deep runs. We barely reach semi final stages historically.

[KRBFC]

Yes, we played two decent teams, Croatia and Belgium and contrived to lose to them three times.

That said, Tuesday is probably our best chance to beat Germany in a major competition for ages. After all, they couldn't even beat Hungary on their own patch.

Colombia were and still are a decent side.

[Gordaleman]

Colombia were and still are a decent side.

Maybe, but when they played us, they had loads of injuries and we still only scored one goal in normal time and scraped through on penalties.

The fact that we haven't won ANYTHING since playing at home in 1966 says it all. Despite the media hype, we just aren't good enough.

[SalisburyClaret]

Why give him a contract before he's had a chance to succeed or fail at the Euros. The F.A.never miss a chance to show off their incompetence

[bobinho]

I disagree gordaleman…. I think we ARE good enough. I look at the squad and I think WOW! Who couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit, and then the answer is right there in front of me. The tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit.
I’m afraid GS is the limiting factor in our ability to not win games we should be smashing quite comfortably.

I don’t know who the man for the job is… I just know who it isn’t. GS still doesn’t know who his best team are, or what his best formation is. He’s obsessed with playing people out of form DESPITE stating early in his tenure that he would be selecting form players. He’s playing players out of position and only the poor quality of the opposition has saved him a bloody nose. He’s scared to drop the ‘big’ names even when they are having an absolute shocker (s). He’s chosen the wrong captain. He failed quite spectacularly in getting his team “up” for the game against Scotland. Let’s face it, the Scots were unlucky really not to win the game, they were the better side and they absolutely should have been brushed aside by the wealth of talent at our disposal.

I am not confident at all about facing ze Germans. Sure they aren’t the force they were, but Loew will have them ready for sure, and they will have a plan and be organised. Scotland showed us (like Burnley do week in week out) how a side assembled of ‘lesser’ players can be organised to achieve a result. And our manager couldn’t work out how to counter it despite having some of the best attacking talent in Europe at his disposal. Genius.

Southgate is the FA’s man without a doubt.

[Sozturf7]

Why indeed SC. Crazy to even think about it at the moment.

[bfcjg]

Southgate's problem IMHO is he is to cautious, a braver coach would have got us to the world cup final. He has a lot of good qualities if he added bravery to them he may well be the ideal manager.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I agree, total incompetence to even leak this at this critical point in the tournament.

There needs to be some sense of jeopardy, of nervous energy, to release the talent these players possess (and to keep the manager on his toes). Not too much, but some. That’s even before we consider possibilities like another 4-1 defeat which would have most fans clamouring for the sack.

If of course his team excels, discuss it then.

[KRBFC]

I disagree gordaleman…. I think we ARE good enough. I look at the squad and I think WOW! Who couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit, and then the answer is right there in front of me. The tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit.
I’m afraid GS is the limiting factor in our ability to not win games we should be smashing quite comfortably.

He’s obsessed with playing people out of form DESPITE stating early in his tenure that he would be selecting form players. He’s scared to drop the ‘big’ names even when they are having an absolute shocker (s). He’s chosen the wrong captain. He failed quite spectacularly in getting his team “up” for the game against Scotland. Let’s face it, the Scots were unlucky really not to win the game, they were the better side and they absolutely should have been brushed aside by the wealth of talent at our disposal.

not winning games? we've won 2/3 games so far.

Hungary drew with Germany and France. Are their fans still going ape **** about it? No, they don't care, they're into the next round. He's subbed off Harry Kane 3 times hasn't he?

As for not picking players on form, who in the squad didn't deserve it?

[boatshed bill]

If they think he's the right man for the job (and they clearly do) there's absolutely nothing wrong with showing faith and extending his contract.

[Boss Hogg]

Decisions like this should be made after this tournament has been properly assessed.

[Elizabeth]

Decisions like this should be made after this tournament has been properly assessed.

Are tournament results the main objective of the FA ?

[ClaretLoup]

CFC asked a good question higher up about who else would be available and able to do the job but I see that nobody has answered it yet.

Assuming the FA stick to English managers those in the running would be Dean Smith, Sean, Potter, Steve Bruce, Eddie and maybe Frank or Steven Gerrard.

If you are going to go for a foreign manager the obvious one would be Martinez who would have to be prised away from Belgium.

Any candidates I've missed?

[elwaclaret]

England managers only get sacked when they consistently fail against middle of the road opposition at tournaments. It is a sign of what the real expectations of the FA are. Southgate can keep winning against lesser nations and keep, the majority on side, which is a sign of the real expectations within the nation as well, as long as he keeps making the right noises at the right time he’s in clover.

Paid a fortune and only criticised when the likes of Scotland come to town and dare forget how good we are, and expose our lack of leadership… otherwise he can claim his wages because he’s got one or two individuals scraping points for him, he can claim it’s a young side and work in progress… it is the best job in football by a mile at the moment.

[tiger76]

Decisions like this should be made after this tournament has been properly assessed.

Exactly! we've stumbled through a group containing an ageing Croatia, Czech Republic & Scotland, and let's be honest the football has hardly been gripping has it, and should we crash out to Germany on Tuesday, which we may well do, then the idea of extending Southgate's tenure would be laughable, we've yet to beat a truly decent side at a tournament, even the Colombia victory was a nervy penalty shootout success, and what concerns me is that England don't appear to be progressing from our relative success at the WC, we have a wealth of attacking talent at our disposal, and yet GS just can't seem to find a formula to get the best out of them.

For me the Germany game will be a true watershed in Gareth's England reign, win it and he'll be hailed a hero, lose it and he'll be under severe pressure to quit, of course he won't quit, and the FA will never jettison him as for some reason he's their blue-eyed boy despite achieving little of note.

[BurnleyFC]

Triffic

I still think/hope we’ll beat the Germans, though.

[boatshed bill]

Strange that posters see this as a negative.
To me it shows that the FA has faith in what's happening now, and believe that GS can take this squad further.
it can only be a confidence booster for the whole squad.

[Gordaleman]

I disagree gordaleman…. I think we ARE good enough. I look at the squad and I think WOW! Who couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit, and then the answer is right there in front of me. The tactical genius that is Gareth Southgate couldn’t make that lot into a world class outfit.
I’m afraid GS is the limiting factor in our ability to not win games we should be smashing quite comfortably.

I don’t know who the man for the job is… I just know who it isn’t. GS still doesn’t know who his best team are, or what his best formation is. He’s obsessed with playing people out of form DESPITE stating early in his tenure that he would be selecting form players. He’s playing players out of position and only the poor quality of the opposition has saved him a bloody nose. He’s scared to drop the ‘big’ names even when they are having an absolute shocker (s). He’s chosen the wrong captain. He failed quite spectacularly in getting his team “up” for the game against Scotland. Let’s face it, the Scots were unlucky really not to win the game, they were the better side and they absolutely should have been brushed aside by the wealth of talent at our disposal.

I am not confident at all about facing ze Germans. Sure they aren’t the force they were, but Loew will have them ready for sure, and they will have a plan and be organised. Scotland showed us (like Burnley do week in week out) how a side assembled of ‘lesser’ players can be organised to achieve a result. And our manager couldn’t work out how to counter it despite having some of the best attacking talent in Europe at his disposal. Genius.

Southgate is the FA’s man without a doubt.

Fans have thought we were 'Good enough' before every tournament since 19666, no matter who the manager was. Unfortunately, we're not, and things won't improve until we stop playing club football with so many imported players. Doing that might make the league world class, but it does nothing for the national team.

I'll be delighted if we beat a very weak looking German team, but somehow I doubt we will, especially if it goes to penalties, which I think it might.

[bobinho]

CFC asked a good question higher up about who else would be available and able to do the job but I see that nobody has answered it yet.

Assuming the FA stick to English managers those in the running would be Dean Smith, Sean, Potter, Steve Bruce, Eddie and maybe Frank or Steven Gerrard.

If you are going to go for a foreign manager the obvious one would be Martinez who would have to be prised away from Belgium.

Any candidates I've missed?

Of course no one has answered it. Impossible to answer. None of us know who wants it so it’s an easy question to pose to “win” the argument.

We don’t need to look for out of work managers, we could approach someone already in a job. Out of those you mention, the last three you mention all have better pedigree than GS. Martinez is a good shout, as would Poch be. Even Eddie would (imho) have this lot firing on all cylinders, at least going forward anyway.

Southgate is really struggling to get a formula together to get the best from these fantastic players. Don’t get me wrong, I want him to get it sorted so we become the absolute threat we should be, but I feel if he hasn’t sussed it by now, he isn’t going to.

[KRBFC]

Of course no one has answered it. Impossible to answer. None of us know who wants it so it’s an easy question to pose to “win” the argument.

We don’t need to look for out of work managers, we could approach someone already in a job. Out of those you mention, the last three you mention all have better pedigree than GS. Martinez is a good shout, as would Poch be. Even Eddie would (imho) have this lot firing on all cylinders, at least going forward anyway.

Southgate is really struggling to get a formula together to get the best from these fantastic players. Don’t get me wrong, I want him to get it sorted so we become the absolute threat we should be, but I feel if he hasn’t sussed it by now, he isn’t going to.

No surprise you ignored my question, you said Southgate picking out of form players, tell me one player who doesn't deserve to be named in the Euro squad.....

[bobinho]

Look KRBFC… I only know you have asked me a question because I have two “notifications” that I can’t escape.

You are on my “ignore” list, due to how you have engaged both me and others in the past. You’ve been on that list for a couple of years and I do fine without engaging you. It would be detrimental to this board and the various threads I post on for me to “react” to you, so I just don’t. Maybe as you are now aware, you will do me the same courtesy I do you, and leave me be. Cheers.

[claretblue]

it can only be a confidence booster for the whole squad

...but bad news for Tarks!

[Rowls]

It's genuinely a mystery to me as to why anyone thinks Gareth Southgate is "doing a good job" or that he has ever done anything to justify his role.

Didn't they ever see his Middlesbrough side?

Can't they see the similarities between his Middlesbrough side and his England side?

The hallmarks are exactly the same:

* A nice "easy on the eye" approach to football with lots of passing
* Lots of passing about at the back. Often with no apparent purpose. Often getting caught in possession at the back.
* Post match interviews where Gareth talks about the need for "patience"
* A lack of urgency or pressing upfield or even in midfield
* Poor marking - opposition players suddenly finding themselves with a shot on goal and no marker within touching distance
* A chronic lack of chances created from open play
* A chronic loack of goals - especially from open play

Check out this page here and make a note of how many goals Gareth Southgate's Middlesbrough managed to score that season:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%8 ... .C._season

All of the faults of his Middlesbrough side are apparent, to various degrees, in his England side.

[Rowls]

I'm genuinely baffled that *anyone* at all supports Southgate in the role.

[Rileybobs]

It's genuinely a mystery to me as to why anyone thinks Gareth Southgate is "doing a good job" or that he has ever done anything to justify his role.

Didn't they ever see his Middlesbrough side?

Can't they see the similarities between his Middlesbrough side and his England side?

The hallmarks are exactly the same:

* A nice "easy on the eye" approach to football with lots of passing
* Lots of passing about at the back. Often with no apparent purpose. Often getting caught in possession at the back.
* Post match interviews where Gareth talks about the need for "patience"
* A lack of urgency or pressing upfield or even in midfield
* Poor marking - opposition players suddenly finding themselves with a shot on goal and no marker within touching distance
* A chronic lack of chances created from open play
* A chronic loack of goals - especially from open play

Check out this page here and make a note of how many goals Gareth Southgate's Middlesbrough managed to score that season:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%8 ... .C._season

All of the faults of his Middlesbrough side are apparent, to various degrees, in his England side.

Well it could be because he took the national side to our first World Cup semi final in 28 years and has since got to a Nations League Final, qualified for the European Championships with ease and then won the group at said event.

I think all of those ‘achievements’ will rank above what he did at Middlesbrough 12 years ago for any potential or current employer. Particularly as being the manager of a club side is a totally different job than being the manager of an international side. The fact you keep bringing up his time at Middlesbrough just appears desperate.

[Stayingup]

Team reflects his personality. Dull.

[box_of_frogs]

It is widely reported that Southgate will have his contract extended and FA sources quoted that they want him to stay in the role until 2024.

It's a bad joke.

Oh dear God. Please let this be a joke.

[cricketfieldclarets]

To people who say he is an FA ‘yes man’ how and why would the fA benefit from having a yes man?

[Rileybobs]

To people who say he is an FA ‘yes man’ how and why would the fA benefit from having a yes man?

I’ve never seen anyone explain what they mean by that term. It doesn’t make sense.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I’ve never seen anyone explain what they mean by that term. It doesn’t make sense.

Makes zero sense.

[superdimitri]

I think Southgate has dealt with the pressure and media well which has typically been a problem in the past. He may not be tactically astute but neither was Owen Coyle.

If he can get the team believing and getting results in games when it matters that is all that counts.

He's also a benefit for England in the long term for giving youngsters a chance.

He's basically trying to mimic what the Germans did, it may too early for England now but we have some promising talent so hopefully it pays off in the long term.

Besides, I think he gets the blame a lot but a lot of the time but the players need a kick up the backside. You only have to look at the effort the likes of Hungary and Scotland put in, they need to show some passion and drive on Tuesday.

[Elizabeth]

I'm genuinely baffled that *anyone* at all supports Southgate in the role.

They’re the type who don’t know what being a Yes Man means. Yeh , seriously