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Nathan Collins

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:20 pm

Was stood with a Stoke fan last night at the game. Got into the subject of ex players between the two.

He has watched Stoke and England for 40+ years and said he is one of the best centre halves he has seen anywhere at that age and he is convinced we have signed a £40m+ centre half. Said he will go to the very top.

Encouraging to hear.

He did also say he would rather play a sofa up front than Sam Vokes who is the worse centre forward he has ever seen. 😂 That said I am sure we could say the same for some of the ex Stoke players we ended up with at times. Gifton, Peter Crouch, Wayne Thomas and Jon Walters never hit the heights their Stoke careers promised.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:27 pm

Sorry for Sam, he was great for us, right club at the right time.
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:28 pm

Yeah. One of if not my favourite clarets was vokes. But Dyche knew it was time to move him on.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:35 pm

Vokes has not travelled with Stoke for their training camp in N. Ireland

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:36 pm

Looks a promising player, just not sure how he gets into the team if Tarks stays.

Let’s hope we don’t have another Gibson.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:42 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:36 pm
Looks a promising player, just not sure how he gets into the team if Tarks stays.

Let’s hope we don’t have another Gibson.
If we sign Phillips, Rice and Trippier we could opt for the England formation 😂

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:42 pm

I think Collins is a bit more versatile than we think in terms of positions he can play.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:44 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:42 pm
I think Collins is a bit more versatile than we think in terms of positions he can play.
Surely in a 442 formation the only position he could play is RB or CB?

I am really excited by the signing but it is now looking likely Tarks is staying and I thought Lowton had a good season.

Difficult to see where he comes in.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:45 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Surely in a 442 formation the only position he could play is RB or CB?

I am really excited by the signing but it is now looking likely Tarks is staying and I thought Lowton had a good season.

Difficult to see where he comes in.
Formation change when we need to?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:46 pm

Maybe he bides his time. He’s only 20.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by warksclaret » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:05 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:35 pm
Vokes has not travelled with Stoke for their training camp in N. Ireland
His contract was terminated by mutual consent at the end of the season. Now a free agent

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:06 pm

" He can play right back, he can play left of a three, he can play left sided centre half, he can play in midfield, he can do a job anywhere.
As a young player he played centre midfield, he was technically very good."
Quotes from Collins' father, in the recent interview which has been referenced elsewhete on here.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:09 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:05 pm
His contract was terminated by mutual consent at the end of the season. Now a free agent
I wasnt aware of that.I thought he'd been made available for transfer but was still under contract.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:13 pm

I think we need to match up to the opposition on occasions, so 3 at the back, 5 in midfield,
i can see him being useful in these situations.

Whether our manager would do that is, of course, a completely different subject :D

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:13 pm
I think we need to match up to the opposition on occasions, so 3 at the back, 5 in midfield,
i can see him being useful in these situations.

Whether our manager would do that is, of course, a completely different subject :D
Wouldn’t shock me after seeing Southgate concede so few playing that system :D

I’d certainly prefer it over playing 4-4-2 against City!!!

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:46 pm
Maybe he bides his time. He’s only 20.
This exactly he's been brought as one for the future, and he'll no doubt be aware he may have to bide his time and wait until Tarks moves on next summer before he gets his opportunity, of course if either of our first choice centre back rocks are not available for any reason, then we'll at least have a ready made replacement which we've been sorely lacking this season, hence the downturn in form when either BM or JT has been absent.

And sometimes you can't always choose when you want to sign a particular player, and you have to respond when the guy you're chasing becomes available. if BFC had held off signing Collins in this window, and he'd been snapped up by another club then you can guarantee there would be plenty of unhappy fans posting on this forum.

Totally different scenario to Gibson as far as I can see, Collins is still learning his trade, and is coming from the Championship, whereas Gibson was a PL regular at Boro, and much further advanced in his career.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:04 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:59 pm
Wouldn’t shock me after seeing Southgate concede so few playing that system :D

I’d certainly prefer it over playing 4-4-2 against City!!!
Sometimes, depending on the opposition.
Also I think SD needs to consider a bit of squad rotation.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Surely in a 442 formation the only position he could play is RB or CB?

I am really excited by the signing but it is now looking likely Tarks is staying and I thought Lowton had a good season.

Difficult to see where he comes in.
We're a Premier League Football Club, we need more than 2 centre backs good enough for a place.
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by NewClaret » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:17 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:04 pm
Sometimes, depending on the opposition.
Also I think SD needs to consider a bit of squad rotation.
Playing Collins at either RB or RCB in a 3 would be a great way to blood Collins in to the team as well as getting a bit of rotation!

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:17 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:03 pm
This exactly he's been brought as one for the future, and he'll no doubt be aware he may have to bide his time and wait until Tarks moves on next summer before he gets his opportunity, of course if either of our first choice centre back rocks are not available for any reason, then we'll at least have a ready made replacement which we've been sorely lacking this season, hence the downturn in form when either BM or JT has been absent.

And sometimes you can't always choose when you want to sign a particular player, and you have to respond when the guy you're chasing becomes available. if BFC had held off signing Collins in this window, and he'd been snapped up by another club then you can guarantee there would be plenty of unhappy fans posting on this forum.

Totally different scenario to Gibson as far as I can see, Collins is still learning his trade, and is coming from the Championship, whereas Gibson was a PL regular at Boro, and much further advanced in his career.
What if collins shows to be better than either Tarkowski or Mee? It's possible.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Claret_tinted » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:32 pm

He will be better than both given time and the opportunity to defend in a different system.

For context, Rio and Vidic are inferior to Tarks and Mee in THIS system. We are Burnley and we play in a very limited system it suits the personal we have at the club.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:35 pm

Bloody NewcastleClaret lighten up a bit. Your head will mashed by august if you keep worrying like this

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:35 pm
Bloody NewcastleClaret lighten up a bit. Your head will mashed by august if you keep worrying like this
If I’m honest I’m excited to see the lad play. I think as a few others have posted we may see a change in formation.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:17 pm
What if collins shows to be better than either Tarkowski or Mee? It's possible.
Of course it is, and in that case wonderful, but either way Collins is surely a better 3rd choice than Kev Long, no disrespect to Kev, and if he wishes to remain at Burnley as a likely 4th choice centre back, then I'm sure SD will value him as a useful squad member who can be relied upon for the odd cup tie, and in the event of a real emergency even a PL game or two.

And Collins has shown he can be versatile if required, so that in itself offers SD more options than we currently possess, and as GS has aptly demonstrated at the Euro's you sometimes have to be able to tweak your personnel or system depending on the opposition you're facing on any given day.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Bullabill » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:10 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm
If I’m honest I’m excited to see the lad play.
'IF' you're honest??
Should be your default position - not optional.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Rowls » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:23 am

It's only a few words reported secind hand from somebody on an internet board.

But it's nice to hear.

The first time I ever recall reading a recommendation on the internet was back on the old dial up boards when Glentoran fans posted to tell us just what a special talent Glen Little was.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by WiscoClaret » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:00 am

warksclaret wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:05 pm
His contract was terminated by mutual consent at the end of the season. Now a free agent

I saw a picture of him reporting to preseason on instagram with all the stoke fans giving him crap in the comments. Odd. Maybe he’s just training?
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Ric_C » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:58 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:06 pm
" He can play right back, he can play left of a three, he can play left sided centre half, he can play in midfield, he can do a job anywhere.
As a young player he played centre midfield, he was technically very good."
Quotes from Collins' father, in the recent interview which has been referenced elsewhete on here.
Interesting that he can play RB and left sided CB, that's a bit of a strange one. However that is perfect for us

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Rowls » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:21 pm

Bullabill wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:10 am
'IF' you're honest??
Should be your default position - not optional.
It’s just a linguistic device really. Like using two question marks for emphasis ;)

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Bullabill » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:38 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:21 pm
It’s just a linguistic device really. Like using two question marks for emphasis ;)
Just a stutter really.
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:31 pm

yeah but can he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke ?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by dsr » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:08 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:31 pm
yeah but can he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke ?
Does it really matter? We tend to play midweek games on Wednesday. ;)

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Fez » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 pm

Leon cort was a good en
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:24 pm

Fez wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 pm
Leon cort was a good en
I seem to recall that he had a very good debut.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by dougcollins » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:39 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:08 pm
Does it really matter? We tend to play midweek games on Wednesday. ;)
Do we?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by superdimitri » Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:51 am

What do people make of what they've seen so far? To me he seems an improvement over Dunne but I'm not really convinced yet he's any better than Long.

Of course he's young and central defenders tend to peak later, I remember thinking similarly about Keane at first but it didn't take many games for him to turn into a quality player.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:03 am

I'm not a great fan of YouTube clips... But watch some stuff on Collins if you can....he does stuff that Big Kev couldn't dream of doing..and there's no comparison in watching them carry the ball forward.
Collins is in a completely different class to KL.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Stayingup » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:11 am

He's flippin tall this lad. 6'6" perhaps?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:22 am

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:51 am
What do people make of what they've seen so far? To me he seems an improvement over Dunne but I'm not really convinced yet he's any better than Long.

Of course he's young and central defenders tend to peak later, I remember thinking similarly about Keane at first but it didn't take many games for him to turn into a quality player.
Struggled at times on Tuesday but has youth on his side.

I’m sure he’ll turn out to be a good ‘un.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:28 am

It’s hard to gauge whether he’s good enough for the Premier League in one game vs Rochdale.

However i thought he looked composed when he had the ball. Good awareness and like mentioned before, a man mountain. I think he’ll turn out to be a fantastic astute signing. No disrespect to Long but he’s a different class- and still only 20.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:31 am

If he's not better than Kevin Long, then who ever signed him needs sacking.

The lad will need a run of games, like any player.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:34 am

superdimitri wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:51 am
What do people make of what they've seen so far? To me he seems an improvement over Dunne but I'm not really convinced yet he's any better than Long.

Of course he's young and central defenders tend to peak later, I remember thinking similarly about Keane at first but it didn't take many games for him to turn into a quality player.

How many times have you watched him live to form this opinion ?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Blatherwickstattoo » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:38 am

Looked better as the game went on. Good in the air, good on the ball although a few stray passes happened. Tarky is 29 and supposedly worth 30 million plus and he still misplaces passes. I think he will be a good player for us. Thomas is the one who’s impressed me more out of the two so far though.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:50 am

I’m only basing my opinion on the one game against Newcastle but I thought he was really strong on the ball, his distribution was really really good. However he did look slightly clumsy at times. I am sure Dyche is working on his positioning and ethos.

Apart from that I can see him being a very good player in the future. However I can understand the comments about long, he’s a solid defender if not spectacular.
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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Stalbansclaret » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:47 am

My Stoke ST-holding friend reckons that Harry Soutter is even better than Collins so would maybe be good to go back in for him too. Stoke are a bit of a feeder-club for us it seems.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by diamondpocket » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:54 am

Interesting comments by Dyche in the pre-match press conference regarding our new signings & how they are to progress to become Prem players.
Collins obviously was talked about. Have a listen if you're interested, it's as open as I've heard Dyche be when discussing players and their development needs.
Let's just say that Collins has lots of work to do but I guess we kind of knew that anyway. He'll get there though I reckon if he continues to be under Dyche's wing.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:50 am
I’m only basing my opinion on the one game against Newcastle but I thought he was really strong on the ball, his distribution was really really good. However he did look slightly clumsy at times. I am sure Dyche is working on his positioning and ethos.

Apart from that I can see him being a very good player in the future. However I can understand the comments about long, he’s a solid defender if not spectacular.
He certainly played well that night, with Ben Mee at his side, and the match against Rochdale was his first really competitive match since then and with a different partner.

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by SouthLondonexile » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:20 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:36 pm
Looks a promising player, just not sure how he gets into the team if Tarks stays.

Let’s hope we don’t have another Gibson.
I don’t think we have another Gibson, although we are still none the wiser what went wrong there.
If Collins is that good I would say - and yes I have banged on about this for a couple of years now - move Tarky into midfield .

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by RVclaret » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:21 pm

SouthLondonexile wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:20 pm
I don’t think we have another Gibson, although we are still none the wiser what went wrong there.
If Collins is that good I would say - and yes I have banged on about this for a couple of years now - move Tarky into midfield .
ablue, is that you?

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Re: Nathan Collins

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:26 pm

SouthLondonexile wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:20 pm
I have banged on about this for a couple of years now - move Tarky into midfield .
And play Nick Pope at Number 9 ? :lol:

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