When there is a theory it is an experimental proposal based on fact i.e. a theory of something or about something.

The definitive fact that one can definitely class as a fact of art is the fact of what makes something a picture and what makes a picture is that it is a visual representation of something.

The fact intrinsic to that pictorial facility is the geometry of perspective and that fact is 2D shape represents (portrays) 3D form.

This is a universally accepted thing and forms the basis of The Renaissance.

If that is the fact of art then what constitutes the theory of that fact?

Whatever that is, is art theory.

There is an answer and it is this:

Images are made of 2D shapes (pictorial acreage fact), 2D shapes represent 3D form ( geometry of perspectve fact); images represent 3D form (logical fact deduction as epistemological method).

That proves what art theory is because the supposition is directly related to the fact.

It's never said never written, the thing they never tell you in any book or class or TV program.

I'm excommunicated from the industry so I can divulge.

Giving the turner prize to murderous nhs types.

That's culture theory.

https://youtu.be/jovsX07xels

In cinematography, the art theory is missing but they egg the audience on a bit for a bit of a joke.

Art is a subject cum figment of the imagination studied or undertaken by people who are ill equipped to deal with scientific subject matters.

textual invention by rob pope.

somebody told me once if you can get to the end of that you'll understand language and therefore art.

is art language?

ps i couldn't get past the first chapter.

My first word was car.

The art theory I've stated is an a priori fact because it's an impossibility for it to be any other way.

However it is still art theory because there is no way to consistently produce the results of the theory, there is no technology or mind.

So in actual fact we are living in the pre-history era of art theory ( culturally acknowledged with full public disclosure) and we are likely to be for some time yet because of the embarrassment of the elite who run the institutions.

They'd rather ignore their intellectual shortcomings than progress.

I know from a total rejection of all things to do with it, professionally from decades of trying.

There shall be no cultural talk of it and in fact the denial of it is in full swing where they've tried to convince the world away from it to make out art theory is anything but, for example social issues and political ones, non more so than the Turner Prize.

It's a cultural feint, a relentless charade.

If that's art theory and the fact of art is the geometry of perspective then what is art?

The pictorial exploration of the fact and the theory with or without knowing.

Because the fact and the theory cover the expanse of the visual field, folk then get confused and ask stuff like am I art for being in the picture and taking in and expelling substances that are also covered by the expanse of the visual field?

That's where the West has lost it.

The stating of the art theory marks the return of the West in ultimate triumph because the theory is an a priori fact that is essentially proven for the fact that their is no escaping of the geometry of the visual.

The ideological promotion of nihilism is ultimately suspect because it's reductive argument of all things yellow are the same because they are yellow as a viral simulacra of logical deductionism, is a powerful spammer but poor on sad reflection...

All lingusitic nihilist philosophers intent on spamming knowledge with such viral simulacra you are now to go to the bar and there you will each have a po-pouri of brown stuff to eat and then you have to knock back six shots of clear liquid.

And whatever faith and creed and colour and orientation of whatever persuasion, all of you then join hands for a group selfie in your collective vomit.

That’s too complicated for me, Pstotto.


My definition is ‘Art is a line of enquiry’. The artist exploring an idea or the visual language of their medium.

Never mind the Theory bit
...what is Art ?.

All arguments about art ultimately come down to semantics. Until you can come to an agreement about the incontrovertible meaning of the words you use, you end up going round in circles. I could contend that the way that the word theory is being used in the opening post is more like what I would say was a hypothesis. The word theory can be used in another way, that is, as an explanation of the practical element of something,ie ‘theory and practice’. I did Engineering, Workshop, Theory and Practice at school. The theory element wasn’t about an idea or hypothesis it was just the factual written part as opposed to the practical bit. I suspect art theory started like this with people Vasari etc.

Both cases.

The art theory states the conditions of the field of play, pictorially.

That's the information, the artist explores the information.

You learn in engineering weights and practice dropping them at heights might be the practice or wearing a safety helmet on a construction site.

If you have to ask Claretlad, you can't afford it.

LCP you can build a boat with no rudder or keel and go spin.

Claretlad wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:11 pm

Never mind the Theory bit
...what is Art ?.

It's a Garfunkel

Then there's Horsenk art...

Passmore,Freud, Egg and Bacon Dadd.

Music theory is understanding the elements that make up a piece of music. For instance, these would include pulse, rhythm. pitch, dynamics, melody, harmony, texture , tone, timbre etc. I suspect art theory would look at similar elements but someone who knows more about art than I do would be able to categorise these better than me.

BFCmaj, see the OP.

What about the nature of the therapeutic relationship between client, their artwork, and the art therapist?

The world domination plan of S.P.E.C.T.R.E is to create a global Jakers zeitgeist and it's almost totally in place, everywhere and institution and country.

What makes me not just the world's greatest artist but also the greatest warrior of all time, is that I've sorted the final solution to stuffing their plan and it's simply geometric fact, because 2D shape represents 3D form across the visual field, thus taking away their media power because the authority is the fact not their control of facts.

The phrase 'the Media' is a fake because even the greatest propaganda machine is subject to the fact and not the fact subject to it.

All ideology is smashed for being subject to it however that obviously won't stop ideology and media especially with electro-convulsive media technology, of which the vibrating phone is a crude example and where the first truth is the fact of its phenomena and the convincing personality of whatever it is.

Art is now about who can make the biggest bag of crisps.

However whatever such activity it is still just another activity subsumed by art theory because art theory spans the visual field.

One cannot deny it, because it's Check Mate.

There's no visual field that can be other.

The simulacra is Check Mate by media but because media is geometry, one cannot own 1 +2 = 3 for example, though one could own three cars.

Since the source of media is unknown, no human can run media or own media or be the authority of media, it would mean authority to ban light and shade etc. which of course is ridiculous.

19 out of 29 posts, Pstotto. That might be a record.

Best not to encourage him.

So apart from that, total consensus with the facts.

Damn Pstotto the man but the theory remains as fact-based deduction.

'2D shape represents 3D form' is impossible to argue against so it's ignored totally by all in culture all points of power to the extent that an elite professional has to share ideas of international importance and of world significance on a football forum because of nothing else.

The art world won't come out about its pictorial game of post-Modernism and abstraction.

It's a denial of the ethos of the Modernism that is denied, so it's a cake-and-eat it deluded paradise of holding the cards of culture to ransom, WITHOUT ART THEORY!

... Because they've forgotten that 2D shape represents 3D form.

That House of Cards is bound to collapse for being totally Jakers any place on Earth, eventually.

Are you suggesting 2D shape will always represents 3D form?

Yes.

That geometric facility is ever-present.

All pictorial chaos, patterns, cubism, abstraction, pictures of lasagne, anything.

... All of these images for example.

https://helenmilesmosaics.org/mosaic-tu ... ic-copies/

The proof cannot be delivered because the mind doesn't have the facility and A.I. hasn't got there either, so one has to take the theory and consider it intellectually perhaps more than physically.

The artful artist employs pictorial wit to play around the problem, hence good and bad art.

One can argue that since the theory exists, any buzz from that is ever-present anyway, so what does it matter?

That's like saying all notes played on a piano are equal to a piano concerto by Beethoven.

The Zen master only plays one note over and over on his Steinway piano, but it's boring for everyone else.

pstotto yesterday

A classic masterpiece where art theory is evidenced as a reason for such a complex pictorial arrangement.

Taken literally as pictorial language subject to art theory, the black and white pictorial object in the lower left corner is a UFO-type phenomenon as opposed to a reflection of his sleeve.

The subject is as much a motif as much as a contemplation on the cosmos and the abyss where the subject allows for a play on pictorial possibility, in effect photo-realist abstraction but in a form presentable as something else.

I once drew an elephant with the help of join the dots.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:00 pm

I once drew an elephant with the help of join the dots.

Not easy, them dots are everywhere.

I was brought up on Fireball XL 5 and Sci-Fi and so if there is ana ctual political will to deny the existence of art theory for purposes unknown, it's an adult population I presume who all are there.

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An image is pretend.

Lighten up, jerk.

The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory misses out... Art theory.

The discipline of psychology misses out... Art theory.

The are both a house of cards but they've worked out one thing.

Have the world population subject to prat technology and make a prat of everybody in the process.

The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory on The Dragon's Den:

"Well Marx and the work of art in the era of mechanical production and..."

"... The work of art, I presume you have the art theory."

".... Errr..... No.... We haven't got, but we've invented spam instead."

"And your business model"?

"It's a quantum business model, there's no model to it."

"Looks like the future of The Frankfurt School of Critical Theory will be determined by its acceptance or denial of art theory as a matter of fact."

"That's just the first product and when folk get tired of it, we've got some new spam."

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