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Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretLoup » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:45 pm

Looks like the Big Man is on his way to Adams Park moving on from Stoke a year before his contract is up.

https://the72.co.uk/243258/wycombe-wand ... sam-vokes/

Top player for us and Euros semi finalist, we haven't had too many of them play for Burnley.

I hope he can sign off his career with a few more goals.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by claretrobo1 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:49 pm

Thought you meant Allardyce for a second then 😳😳😳
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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:53 pm

Thats some drop in wages I would imagine; I'm assuming Stoke are helping the deal along financially.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by warksclaret » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Hope he gets a shed load of goals. He deserves a good end to his career

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:30 pm

Weird how his career fell so hard after he left.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by gawthorpe_view » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:30 pm
Weird how his career fell so hard after he left.
He's not the only one and won't be the last.

Similar to when players who looked very good under Brian Clough moved on and didn't do well - Gary Birtles for one example.

Our manager gets more from our players than most other managers could.

He served his apprenticeship with Clough so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:43 pm

Vokes was a terrific servant to Burnley, but the writing was on the wall during his last few months with us, and clearly in hindsight it was the right time to sell him, and we got £7m from Stoke, which wasn't exactly small change.

Hope he has a good swansong at Wycombe to round off his career, at League 1 level he should fancy himself to bag plenty if he can stay fit.

There's only a handful of players who've left Burnley and enjoyed success, which suggests we get it right more often than not when a player is slipping in their standards, and SD and the board act accordingly and ensure we get decent money for them.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Peter Loo » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:47 pm

Good luck Sam hope you score a hat full.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:59 pm

Really feel for him, he was an absolute legend for us, he was looking in the form of his life when he suffered his injury, and unfortunately was never the same player after,I was a big fan as I think many others were, good luck to him and hope he can do it with Wycombe.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:05 pm

Big Sam and Akinfenwa up front ! Admittedly rather slow but great in the air

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Spike » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:20 pm

claretrobo1 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:49 pm
Thought you meant Allardyce for a second then 😳😳😳
That is Big Fat Sam
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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:02 am

Still only 31 apparently, not a bad signing for Wycombe in my opinion.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:42 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:59 pm
Really feel for him, he was an absolute legend for us, he was looking in the form of his life when he suffered his injury, and unfortunately was never the same player after,I was a big fan as I think many others were, good luck to him and hope he can do it with Wycombe.
Don’t agree with him not being the same player after the injury. That injury was in April 2014 but I think his best season for us was possibly 2016/17.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Hipper » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:31 am

Adebayo Akinfenwa is still at Wycombe.

Who fancies being a defender against him and Sam?

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by dandeclaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:39 am

Any defender who has enough pace to play a high line?
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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:31 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:42 am
Don’t agree with him not being the same player after the injury. That injury was in April 2014 but I think his best season for us was possibly 2016/17.
He scored 10 goals in 16/17, as opposed to 20 in 13/14, albeit Premier league /championship, different league but number of goals is a fair comparison, but his efforts trying to get back to his pre-injury level in 2016/17 took a massive hit on he's body, so to make a point had he not have had the injury I believe he would have gone on in subsequent seasons to hit the same levels but his injury meant he couldn't, going in to 16/17 he was carrying excess weight which took some time to get off and I'm not sure he ever shedded it, so in my opinion held him back somewhat and he's consequently ended up at the level he's now at, considering he's age still only being 31 if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by bobinho » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:37 am

claretrobo1 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:49 pm
Thought you meant Allardyce for a second then 😳😳😳
Now that I WOULD pay to see…. :lol:

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by bobinho » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 am

Anyway, good luck to Sam, great pro for us, his partnership with ings was a pleasure to watch. Scored some belters too.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:40 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:31 am
He scored 10 goals in 16/17, as opposed to 20 in 13/14, albeit Premier league /championship, different league but number of goals is a fair comparison, but his efforts trying to get back to his pre-injury level in 2016/17 took a massive hit on he's body, so to make a point had he not have had the injury I believe he would have gone on in subsequent seasons to hit the same levels but his injury meant he couldn't, going in to 16/17 he was carrying excess weight which took some time to get off and I'm not sure he ever shedded it, so in my opinion held him back somewhat and he's consequently ended up at the level he's now at, considering he's age still only being 31 if I'm not mistaken.
Don't agree with that at all. In my view he fully recovered from the cruciate in 20132/14. I'm not sure, had he not fully recovered, that he'd have been able to play as much and as well as he did at a higher level. And, make no mistake, had he not fully recovered and had he not been fully fit, he wouldn't have got any games in this Burnley team.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by KefkaClaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:42 am

I think he lost a lot of mobility after the injury. Compare 13/14 to 15/16 and the goals he scored were very different
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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:47 am

bobinho wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 am
Anyway, good luck to Sam, great pro for us, his partnership with ings was a pleasure to watch. Scored some belters too.
Yes his pairing with Danny is certainly the greatest Burnley striking duo in my lifetime, and they were a joy to watch in the 13/14 promotion campaign,

If Sam stays fit it wouldn't surprise me to see him topping the League 1 scoring charts next season, and Wycombe should have every chance of a quick return to the Championship following their unfortunate relegation.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:40 am
Don't agree with that at all. In my view he fully recovered from the cruciate in 20132/14. I'm not sure, had he not fully recovered, that he'd have been able to play as much and as well as he did at a higher level. And, make no mistake, had he not fully recovered and had he not been fully fit, he wouldn't have got any games in this Burnley team.
Not sure why we're debating to such a degree, we all agree Sam was a legend for us and probably he's best season was his partnership with Danny ings, but as kefka has also suggested he lost some mobility post injury, but anyway hope he plays on a few years longer and hits some dizzy heights with Wycombe, good luck Sam lad.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:48 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:43 pm
Vokes was a terrific servant to Burnley, but the writing was on the wall during his last few months with us, and clearly in hindsight it was the right time to sell him, and we got £7m from Stoke, which wasn't exactly small change.

Hope he has a good swansong at Wycombe to round off his career, at League 1 level he should fancy himself to bag plenty if he can stay fit.

There's only a handful of players who've left Burnley and enjoyed success, which suggests we get it right more often than not when a player is slipping in their standards, and SD and the board act accordingly and ensure we get decent money for them.
£7M was a payback for that donkey centre back Laws bought from them.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:48 pm
£7M was a payback for that donkey centre back Laws bought from them.
Was that Wayne Thomas? I'm still amazed we managed to get a £1m+ for him.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:16 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:02 pm
Was that Wayne Thomas? I'm still amazed we managed to get a £1m+ for him.
Cotteril signed Thomas
Laws signed Leon Cort

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:17 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:48 pm
£7M was a payback for that donkey centre back Laws bought from them.
You might find the player you insultingly refer to as a donkey might have been signed while Laws was here but it wasn't Laws who signed him.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:21 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:16 pm
Cotteril signed Thomas
Laws signed Leon Cort
Oh! goodness I'd forgotten about him, you've put me off my dinner now. :)

Blimey! was Thomas that long ago.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Goobs » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:17 pm
You might find the player you insultingly refer to as a donkey might have been signed while Laws was here but it wasn't Laws who signed him.
Donkey may be insulting but considering how bad that player was it would be impossible to explain it politely.
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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:22 pm

Goobs wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:08 pm
Donkey may be insulting but considering how bad that player was it would be impossible to explain it politely.
There’s a thread currently about Edgar. Cort was a far better player than him.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by mill hill claret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:41 pm

Was it leon cort who had never been booked prior to him signing for us ?

He wasn't the best and stoke must have been laughing all the way to the bank

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Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:17 pm
You might find the player you insultingly refer to as a donkey might have been signed while Laws was here but it wasn't Laws who signed him.
I thought and others agree that Laws signed Leon Cort.
Are we all wrong?

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:45 pm
I thought and others agree that Laws signed Leon Cort.
Are we all wrong?
Laws was manager when he signed but I understand it wasn't the manager's choice to sign him.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:07 pm

Sam was given the short straw at Stoke and he suffered for it. He was the wrong type of striker for the way they wanted to set up and play. Putting him up front on his own was never going to work out well for him.

I'm not sure how he will do at Wycombe. Looking at their last season they started out playing 4-4-2, flirting with a few 1 up front and five in midfield formations, tried 4-3-3 a number of times, then they finished off with a run of playing 3-5-2.

I think a team should have a couple of different formations in their locker that they are comfortable with, but when I see a manager employing so many different set ups in a season it always makes me nervous.

Sam deserves a good ending to his career, hopefully everything will work out for him.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pm
Laws was manager when he signed but I understand it wasn't the manager's choice to sign him.
OK.

Laws has been getting the blame, all these years.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm
OK.

Laws has been getting the blame, all these years.
He didn't sign Fox or Nimani either

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Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 pm
He didn't sign Fox or Nimani either
So is it all on a chairman's whim?
Do they do each other a favour, or something even murkier?

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:11 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm
So is it all on a chairman's whim?
Do they do each other a favour, or something even murkier?
Not the chairman

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Post by elwaclaret » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:00 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:11 pm
Not the chairman
The then young pretender I presume?
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Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:04 am

As we’ve seen in the news recently, floods can be devastating
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Post by IanMcL » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:23 pm

I thought he had links with Bolton, not Blackpool!

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Post by FeedTheArf » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:17 pm
You might find the player you insultingly refer to as a donkey might have been signed while Laws was here but it wasn't Laws who signed him.
Flood? Probably too early for Garlick…

I am looking forward to reading your BFC memoirs, Tony!

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Post by burnmark » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:37 pm

Signing confirmed. One year deal with an option of a second.

https://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/news ... kes-signs/

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Wembley09 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:42 pm

I assume Stoke are still paying some of his wages? I can't see him walking away from his huge Stoke salary one year early.

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Re: Big Sam to Wycombe?

Post by Barlickclaret » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:45 pm

he's signed a 1Yr deal with Wycombe, so must be have sorted the year left.

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