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Dale Stephens

Post by DanH90 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:40 pm

Anybody know why he isn’t even in the squad tonight? Injury?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm

Dont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by tiger76 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:03 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Dont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
Sometimes you can be a wit DA. :lol:

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:12 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:03 pm
Sometimes you can be a twit DA. :lol:
You missed a "t" Tiger have corrected it for you
🤭🤭🤭


Sorry DA you know I don't mean it 😉
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:14 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:12 pm
You missed a "t" Tiger have corrected it for you
🤭🤭🤭


Sorry DA you know I don't mean it 😉
Not sure the i is correct either :lol:
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by DanH90 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:20 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Dont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
That sort of wit really is wasted on this messageboard, a career in comedy really should be high on your list of aspirations.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Boss Hogg » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:32 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Dont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
:D :D

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:36 pm

Injured.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:39 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:36 pm
Injured.
Fell off the treatment table. ;)

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pm

DanH90 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Anybody know why he isn’t even in the squad tonight? Injury?
For the same reason as Kevin Long and Nick Pope, he's recovering from surgery. Dyche said his would be the longest recovery time.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Elbarad » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:03 pm

Drats, I hoped someone would say he'd been put out to pasture. I don't even view him as cover, I'd rather play someone off the under 23s then him. He might very well offer a good example of professionalism on the training pitch, but in my view he doesn't offer much on matchday that we couldn't get from a lad who we could at least hope would improve with some experience.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pm
For the same reason as Kevin Long and Nick Pope, he's recovering from surgery. Dyche said his would be the longest recovery time.
Does that recovery time coincide with the end of his contract by any chance??? :roll:
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:07 pm
Does that recovery time coincide with the end of his contract by any chance??? :roll:
To be fair, he was carrying it for much of last season and we got him in for surgery once we'd ensured safety. It's not worked out for him because of that but I still think he's a good player.
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Long Time Lurker » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 pm

He probably strained his vocal cords singing " Burnley is a **** hole " again. Despite his past indiscretion I was willing to give him a chance, but he was awful last year. After our failure to sign a quality midfielder last Summer we had to go for another better than nothing option. Going into the season with only two midfielders ( Cork being injured ) was too much of a risky proposition for us to consider. So we paid a transfer fee to add his substantial wages to our balance sheet for two years.

On the upside he was a better signing than Drinkwater ( our last better than nothing midfield signing ), but that isn't saying much.
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 pm

Elbarad wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:03 pm
Drats, I hoped someone would say he'd been put out to pasture. I don't even view him as cover, I'd rather play someone off the under 23s then him. He might very well offer a good example of professionalism on the training pitch, but in my view he doesn't offer much on matchday that we couldn't get from a lad who we could at least hope would improve with some experience.
You obviously never watched him play for Brighton, you'd rather judge him over a few games when he wasn't fit.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 pm
To be fair, he was carrying it for much of last season and we got him in for surgery once we'd ensured safety. It's not worked out for him because of that but I still think he's a good player.
We'll see. ;)

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:19 pm
We'll see. ;)
No we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pm
No we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
I think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 pm
I think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.
Without a doubt, impossible to disagree with that, but, as we all know, he arrived far from fit and was soon out injured.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pm
No we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
The thing is CT, I'm not really arguing. He WAS a good player for Brighton for a number of years, BUT they allowed him to leave and they allowed him to come to us (a lower table rival) and they allowed him to come very cheap and virtually since he arrived he's been injured. Mmmmm, we've been here before tbh, numerous times!!! Ultimately I DESPERATELY want ALL our players to do well, whoever they are, so I seriously hope you are correct in the long run. But as I said, we'll see.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Leisure » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 pm
I think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.
Not had much opportunity has he to be fair. Be there's always got to be a player to knock hasn’t there!

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:29 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm
Not had much opportunity has he to be fair. Be there's always got to be a player to knock hasn’t there!
How about some supporters just wanting to see some value for the club's money?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:29 pm
How about some supporters just wanting to see some value for the club's money?
What do you want him to do, play on crutches? Players don't get injured intentionally you know?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:32 pm
What do you want him to do, play on crutches? Players don't get injured intentionally you know?
Not really the point, is it?
We sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
And what injury has he got that's keeping him out for so long?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 pm
Not had much opportunity has he to be fair. Be there's always got to be a player to knock hasn’t there!
I think you can see when a player is struggling day in day out. Brighton saw that with Stephens and rightly shipped him on.

I think we can see that with Barnes and JRod, we just can’t or won’t ship them on atm.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm
Not really the point, is it?
We sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
And what injury has he got that's keeping him out for so long?
Ask the physio! How should we know!

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm
We sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
Injuries happen. That's how it is. Losing out? Every club has injured players. Did you moan last year when Ben Mee was out for months? Did you moan when Jack Cork was out for months? You must have been very disappointed at the club losing out when those two were missing too.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Leisure » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:29 pm
How about some supporters just wanting to see some value for the club's money?
We paid about 2 Bob for him! What were you expecting, Messi!
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 pm

I was a huge fan of Stephens at Brighton but he signed for us a few years too late. The fact that Brighton let him go to a rival on a nominal fee tells you a lot.

I doubt that we'll ever see the same player turning out for us. Hope I'm wrong, but can't see it.
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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:41 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm
We paid about 2 Bob for him! What were you expecting, Messi!
n
And he's on the minimum wage, so basically no cost whatsoever. :D

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 pm

He filled a squad far at a time we were desperate.

We all know gas could play. Let's hope, post op and recuperation that he can play again.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 pm
I was a huge fan of Stephens at Brighton but he signed for us a few years too late. The fact that Brighton let him go to a rival on a nominal fee tells you a lot.

I doubt that we'll ever see the same player turning out for us. Hope I'm wrong, but can't see it.
Well it got you a like from Mr Negative.

Although I agree with what you say. We'd all but signed him in 2016, four years earlier, and he's been outstanding for Brighton since then. It was a nominal fee because he only had a year left and he was always coming back to the NW after that. The Brighton fans I spoke to about him said his early departure was more to do with a change in the way Brighton played.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm

We're never going to see him play for us in any meaningful capacity, full stop.

Hope his pom poms are nicer than Steven Reid's.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 pm
Well it got you a like from Mr Negative.
Rather childish.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:50 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm
We're never going to see him play for us in any meaningful capacity, full stop.

Hope his pom poms are nicer than Steven Reid's.
You can laugh off the value of squad players. But you don’t have to know a lot about the history of successful sports teams, and successful teams in any other walk of life, to know how important personalities are to the group. The fact that Dyche places such an emphasis on this should be enough for any Burnley fan to understand. We saw a successful England side this summer with a huge emphasis placed on the culture and group dynamic.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 pm
Well it got you a like from Mr Negative.

Although I agree with what you say. We'd all but signed him in 2016, four years earlier, and he's been outstanding for Brighton since then. It was a nominal fee because he only had a year left and he was always coming back to the NW after that. The Brighton fans I spoke to about him said his early departure was more to do with a change in the way Brighton played.
Yes 2016 was the time I was thinking of. He was just entering the peak of career and it would have been a great time to sign him. Thinking about it now though, I wonder what securing Stephens back then would have meant for the signing of Defour.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Leisure » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:54 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm
I think you can see when a player is struggling day in day out.
How have you come to that conclusion and how many times have you seen him play for us?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:00 pm

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 pm
He probably strained his vocal cords singing " Burnley is a **** hole " again. Despite his past indiscretion I was willing to give him a chance, but he was awful last year. After our failure to sign a quality midfielder last Summer we had to go for another better than nothing option. Going into the season with only two midfielders ( Cork being injured ) was too much of a risky proposition for us to consider. So we paid a transfer fee to add his substantial wages to our balance sheet for two years.

On the upside he was a better signing than Drinkwater ( our last better than nothing midfield signing ), but that isn't saying much.
Did this really happen, it’s the first time I’ve seen any such thing mentioned?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:50 pm
You can laugh off the value of squad players. But you don’t have to know a lot about the history of successful sports teams, and successful teams in any other walk of life, to know how important personalities are to the group. The fact that Dyche places such an emphasis on this should be enough for any Burnley fan to understand. We saw a successful England side this summer with a huge emphasis placed on the culture and group dynamic.
It's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.

What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.

Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm
We paid about 2 Bob for him! What were you expecting, Messi!
Not quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.

£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).



My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:05 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:54 pm
How have you come to that conclusion and how many times have you seen him play for us?
I wasn’t saying I had, I was discussing why Brighton might have shipped him out.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 pm
Not quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.

£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).



My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.
Frightening when you think about it.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Leisure » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 pm
Not quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.

£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).



My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.
Source?

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:09 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 pm
It's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.

What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.

Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.
Not always. With a young cohort of players coming through, you can end up with cultures becoming diluted or splits developing. A 20 y/o is a very different person to a 31 y/o, more so considering the technology that the former have grown up with.

Those elderly players are worth their weight in gold in a changing room, training pitch, match day transport and during the ‘downtimes’.

Bardsley is one of those amazing players who just oozes Dycheness.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm
Injuries happen. That's how it is. Losing out? Every club has injured players. Did you moan last year when Ben Mee was out for months? Did you moan when Jack Cork was out for months? You must have been very disappointed at the club losing out when those two were missing too.
No, because over the lengths of their contracts they have given fantastic service.
But you know that

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:13 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 pm
It's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.

What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.

Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that we need to add quality on the pitch. But Stephen Reid, and to a lesser extent Dale Stephens were both signed to pad out the squad. Not every player is going to improve the first 11 so these type of players are still important members of the team. Obviously we are now in a position where we need a bit more quality than just squad fillers, but that shouldn’t undermine why we signed the likes of Reid and Stephens.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:18 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:09 pm
Not always. With a young cohort of players coming through, you can end up with cultures becoming diluted or splits developing. A 20 y/o is a very different person to a 31 y/o, more so considering the technology that the former have grown up with.

Those elderly players are worth their weight in gold in a changing room, training pitch, match day transport and during the ‘downtimes’.

Bardsley is one of those amazing players who just oozes Dycheness.
We have a young cohort of players coming through?

We have plenty of experience so it really isn't an issue.

Stephens was brought in for cover but bar a crisis, we are unlikely to see much more of him.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:20 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:18 pm
We have a young cohort of players coming through?

We have plenty of experience so it really isn't an issue.

Stephens was brought in for cover but bar a crisis, we are unlikely to see much more of him.
For every good old pro (EG Pieters, who I rate very highly) there's an old cynic.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by djemba-djemba » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pm
No we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
The guy is a joke and this was a horrendous signing.

We’d all seen Hart & Crouch play when they were good but they were were allowed to leave their clubs for a reason. This guy is as much if not more of a waste of wages as they were.

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Re: Dale Stephens

Post by Grumps » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:32 pm

If you look at my history, I don't very often criticise our players...... But I've seen nothing from stephens to give me any optimisim for the future..... People must be seeing something iam not to suggest otherwise

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