Dale Stephens
Dale Stephens
Anybody know why he isn’t even in the squad tonight? Injury?
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Re: Dale Stephens
Dont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
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Re: Dale Stephens
Sometimes you can be a wit DA.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pmDont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
Re: Dale Stephens
You missed a "t" Tiger have corrected it for you
Sorry DA you know I don't mean it
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Re: Dale Stephens
Not sure the i is correct either
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Re: Dale Stephens
That sort of wit really is wasted on this messageboard, a career in comedy really should be high on your list of aspirations.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pmDont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
Re: Dale Stephens
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:57 pmDont want to risk him, gonna be a key player this season
Re: Dale Stephens
Injured.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Drats, I hoped someone would say he'd been put out to pasture. I don't even view him as cover, I'd rather play someone off the under 23s then him. He might very well offer a good example of professionalism on the training pitch, but in my view he doesn't offer much on matchday that we couldn't get from a lad who we could at least hope would improve with some experience.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Does that recovery time coincide with the end of his contract by any chance???ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pmFor the same reason as Kevin Long and Nick Pope, he's recovering from surgery. Dyche said his would be the longest recovery time.
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Re: Dale Stephens
To be fair, he was carrying it for much of last season and we got him in for surgery once we'd ensured safety. It's not worked out for him because of that but I still think he's a good player.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:07 pmDoes that recovery time coincide with the end of his contract by any chance???
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Re: Dale Stephens
He probably strained his vocal cords singing " Burnley is a **** hole " again. Despite his past indiscretion I was willing to give him a chance, but he was awful last year. After our failure to sign a quality midfielder last Summer we had to go for another better than nothing option. Going into the season with only two midfielders ( Cork being injured ) was too much of a risky proposition for us to consider. So we paid a transfer fee to add his substantial wages to our balance sheet for two years.
On the upside he was a better signing than Drinkwater ( our last better than nothing midfield signing ), but that isn't saying much.
On the upside he was a better signing than Drinkwater ( our last better than nothing midfield signing ), but that isn't saying much.
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Re: Dale Stephens
You obviously never watched him play for Brighton, you'd rather judge him over a few games when he wasn't fit.Elbarad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:03 pmDrats, I hoped someone would say he'd been put out to pasture. I don't even view him as cover, I'd rather play someone off the under 23s then him. He might very well offer a good example of professionalism on the training pitch, but in my view he doesn't offer much on matchday that we couldn't get from a lad who we could at least hope would improve with some experience.
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Re: Dale Stephens
We'll see.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 pmTo be fair, he was carrying it for much of last season and we got him in for surgery once we'd ensured safety. It's not worked out for him because of that but I still think he's a good player.
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Re: Dale Stephens
No we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
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Re: Dale Stephens
I think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pmNo we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Without a doubt, impossible to disagree with that, but, as we all know, he arrived far from fit and was soon out injured.Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 pmI think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.
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Re: Dale Stephens
The thing is CT, I'm not really arguing. He WAS a good player for Brighton for a number of years, BUT they allowed him to leave and they allowed him to come to us (a lower table rival) and they allowed him to come very cheap and virtually since he arrived he's been injured. Mmmmm, we've been here before tbh, numerous times!!! Ultimately I DESPERATELY want ALL our players to do well, whoever they are, so I seriously hope you are correct in the long run. But as I said, we'll see.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pmNo we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
Re: Dale Stephens
Not had much opportunity has he to be fair. Be there's always got to be a player to knock hasn’t there!Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:23 pmI think the player we all saw at Brighton has yet to offer even a hint of his former self in a Claret shirt.
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Re: Dale Stephens
What do you want him to do, play on crutches? Players don't get injured intentionally you know?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:29 pmHow about some supporters just wanting to see some value for the club's money?
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Re: Dale Stephens
Not really the point, is it?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:32 pmWhat do you want him to do, play on crutches? Players don't get injured intentionally you know?
We sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
And what injury has he got that's keeping him out for so long?
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Re: Dale Stephens
I think you can see when a player is struggling day in day out. Brighton saw that with Stephens and rightly shipped him on.
I think we can see that with Barnes and JRod, we just can’t or won’t ship them on atm.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Ask the physio! How should we know!boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pmNot really the point, is it?
We sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
And what injury has he got that's keeping him out for so long?
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Re: Dale Stephens
Injuries happen. That's how it is. Losing out? Every club has injured players. Did you moan last year when Ben Mee was out for months? Did you moan when Jack Cork was out for months? You must have been very disappointed at the club losing out when those two were missing too.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pmWe sign players in the genuine expectation that the club will benefit from that signing. It's perfectly understandable that supporters are disappointed at the club losing out.
Re: Dale Stephens
We paid about 2 Bob for him! What were you expecting, Messi!boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:29 pmHow about some supporters just wanting to see some value for the club's money?
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Re: Dale Stephens
I was a huge fan of Stephens at Brighton but he signed for us a few years too late. The fact that Brighton let him go to a rival on a nominal fee tells you a lot.
I doubt that we'll ever see the same player turning out for us. Hope I'm wrong, but can't see it.
I doubt that we'll ever see the same player turning out for us. Hope I'm wrong, but can't see it.
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Re: Dale Stephens
He filled a squad far at a time we were desperate.
We all know gas could play. Let's hope, post op and recuperation that he can play again.
We all know gas could play. Let's hope, post op and recuperation that he can play again.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Well it got you a like from Mr Negative.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:39 pmI was a huge fan of Stephens at Brighton but he signed for us a few years too late. The fact that Brighton let him go to a rival on a nominal fee tells you a lot.
I doubt that we'll ever see the same player turning out for us. Hope I'm wrong, but can't see it.
Although I agree with what you say. We'd all but signed him in 2016, four years earlier, and he's been outstanding for Brighton since then. It was a nominal fee because he only had a year left and he was always coming back to the NW after that. The Brighton fans I spoke to about him said his early departure was more to do with a change in the way Brighton played.
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Re: Dale Stephens
We're never going to see him play for us in any meaningful capacity, full stop.
Hope his pom poms are nicer than Steven Reid's.
Hope his pom poms are nicer than Steven Reid's.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Rather childish.
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Re: Dale Stephens
You can laugh off the value of squad players. But you don’t have to know a lot about the history of successful sports teams, and successful teams in any other walk of life, to know how important personalities are to the group. The fact that Dyche places such an emphasis on this should be enough for any Burnley fan to understand. We saw a successful England side this summer with a huge emphasis placed on the culture and group dynamic.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pmWe're never going to see him play for us in any meaningful capacity, full stop.
Hope his pom poms are nicer than Steven Reid's.
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Yes 2016 was the time I was thinking of. He was just entering the peak of career and it would have been a great time to sign him. Thinking about it now though, I wonder what securing Stephens back then would have meant for the signing of Defour.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:43 pmWell it got you a like from Mr Negative.
Although I agree with what you say. We'd all but signed him in 2016, four years earlier, and he's been outstanding for Brighton since then. It was a nominal fee because he only had a year left and he was always coming back to the NW after that. The Brighton fans I spoke to about him said his early departure was more to do with a change in the way Brighton played.
Re: Dale Stephens
How have you come to that conclusion and how many times have you seen him play for us?Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pmI think you can see when a player is struggling day in day out.
Re: Dale Stephens
Did this really happen, it’s the first time I’ve seen any such thing mentioned?Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 pmHe probably strained his vocal cords singing " Burnley is a **** hole " again. Despite his past indiscretion I was willing to give him a chance, but he was awful last year. After our failure to sign a quality midfielder last Summer we had to go for another better than nothing option. Going into the season with only two midfielders ( Cork being injured ) was too much of a risky proposition for us to consider. So we paid a transfer fee to add his substantial wages to our balance sheet for two years.
On the upside he was a better signing than Drinkwater ( our last better than nothing midfield signing ), but that isn't saying much.
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Re: Dale Stephens
It's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:50 pmYou can laugh off the value of squad players. But you don’t have to know a lot about the history of successful sports teams, and successful teams in any other walk of life, to know how important personalities are to the group. The fact that Dyche places such an emphasis on this should be enough for any Burnley fan to understand. We saw a successful England side this summer with a huge emphasis placed on the culture and group dynamic.
What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.
Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.
Re: Dale Stephens
Not quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.
£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).
My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Frightening when you think about it.KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 pmNot quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.
£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).
My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.
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Source?KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:04 pmNot quite Leisure, £1m transfer fee. £37,500 a week = £1,950,000 per season, 2 year deal = £3,900,000 in wages.
As we all know agents are heavily involved in deals, players often receive signing on fees and here at Burnley players are massively rewarded in bonuses based upon the club success.
£1m transfer fee
£???? signing on fee
£???? agent fees
£3.9M wages for 2 years
£???? 2 years worth of bonuses if the club does well (no doubt it's a pretty sum per year).
My estimate is Dale Stephens will end up costing this club around £5.5m - 7.5m for 2 years of nothing but impersonate a footballer/sit on the treatment table.
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Re: Dale Stephens
Not always. With a young cohort of players coming through, you can end up with cultures becoming diluted or splits developing. A 20 y/o is a very different person to a 31 y/o, more so considering the technology that the former have grown up with.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 pmIt's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.
What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.
Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.
Those elderly players are worth their weight in gold in a changing room, training pitch, match day transport and during the ‘downtimes’.
Bardsley is one of those amazing players who just oozes Dycheness.
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Re: Dale Stephens
No, because over the lengths of their contracts they have given fantastic service.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pmInjuries happen. That's how it is. Losing out? Every club has injured players. Did you moan last year when Ben Mee was out for months? Did you moan when Jack Cork was out for months? You must have been very disappointed at the club losing out when those two were missing too.
But you know that
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Re: Dale Stephens
I don’t think anyone would disagree that we need to add quality on the pitch. But Stephen Reid, and to a lesser extent Dale Stephens were both signed to pad out the squad. Not every player is going to improve the first 11 so these type of players are still important members of the team. Obviously we are now in a position where we need a bit more quality than just squad fillers, but that shouldn’t undermine why we signed the likes of Reid and Stephens.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:03 pmIt's there, it's always going to be there with Dyche, it's a given.
What we need and what we need to try and get, is personalities who can influence and change us on the pitch.
Obviously that is easier said than done, but I don't know anyone who thought that would be the case when we signed Dale.
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Re: Dale Stephens
We have a young cohort of players coming through?Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:09 pmNot always. With a young cohort of players coming through, you can end up with cultures becoming diluted or splits developing. A 20 y/o is a very different person to a 31 y/o, more so considering the technology that the former have grown up with.
Those elderly players are worth their weight in gold in a changing room, training pitch, match day transport and during the ‘downtimes’.
Bardsley is one of those amazing players who just oozes Dycheness.
We have plenty of experience so it really isn't an issue.
Stephens was brought in for cover but bar a crisis, we are unlikely to see much more of him.
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Re: Dale Stephens
For every good old pro (EG Pieters, who I rate very highly) there's an old cynic.Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:18 pmWe have a young cohort of players coming through?
We have plenty of experience so it really isn't an issue.
Stephens was brought in for cover but bar a crisis, we are unlikely to see much more of him.
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Re: Dale Stephens
The guy is a joke and this was a horrendous signing.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:20 pmNo we'll see about it. I've seen him play. But there again I don't look for any opportunity to dismiss one of our own players.
We’d all seen Hart & Crouch play when they were good but they were were allowed to leave their clubs for a reason. This guy is as much if not more of a waste of wages as they were.
Re: Dale Stephens
If you look at my history, I don't very often criticise our players...... But I've seen nothing from stephens to give me any optimisim for the future..... People must be seeing something iam not to suggest otherwise