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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:10 pm

The first record I ever bought...I heard it through the grapevine. on the radio this morning seems a timeless song one of my Tamla Favourites along with Martha Reeves Dancing in the street .not sure if the Isley brothers were on tamla Motown label but memories of a great period in the late Sixties/Seventies.....I'm sure posters have other favourites on the Label....

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:14 pm

not some exotic winger being linked then

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:16 pm

Isley Brothers were Motown

https://youtu.be/U_9M6kRfJes
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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:16 pm
Isley Brothers were Motown

https://youtu.be/U_9M6kRfJes
Thought so...This old heart of mine another big favourite. Some great tunes from the Era.

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Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:33 pm

I was brought up on it through my dad, and Northern Soul

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Post by dandeclaret » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm

Don't know if you've ever heard this - the isolated vocals of Marvin Gaye, Live, On heard it through the grapevine...... I think it's incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNVWw0gDeMY
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:54 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
Don't know if you've ever heard this - the isolated vocals of Marvin Gaye, Live, On heard it through the grapevine...... I think it's incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNVWw0gDeMY
That's quality, kinda spoils it playing the music when you hear that
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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:55 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:33 pm
I was brought up on it through my dad, and Northern Soul
Could never get into northern soul...one or Two exceptions but mainly Tamla Motown...And the Red Labeled Atlantic if my memory serves me right.Reggae...always a big draw for me to :D

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:48 pm

The film Northern Soul is worth a watch if only to see what older folks(me included) go on about past eras

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:58 pm

Loved Motown and still do. Anything with Marvin Gaye and Tammie Tyrell together is wonderful - a 'marriage' made in heaven and a tragedy that she died so young. Not sure that Marvin Gaye ever really got over it.
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Post by claret3561 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:11 pm

Classic for me is stoned love by the supremes, not strictly Motown but freda payne band of gold, takes me right back to some great nights down the circ😊😊

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:13 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:58 pm
Loved Motown and still do. Anything with Marvin Gaye and Tammie Tyrell together is wonderful - a 'marriage' made in heaven and a tragedy that she died so young. Not sure that Marvin Gaye ever really got over it.
Bad Luck With Abusive Men and a painful death...shame. "just read" her mutha wouldn't have anyone at her funeral from Tamla Motown except Marvin Gaye. minnie Ripperton also died very young.......different Label though.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:16 pm

claret3561 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:11 pm
Classic for me is stoned love by the supremes, not strictly Motown but freda payne band of gold, takes me right back to some great nights down the circ😊😊
Yes...Band of Gold and give me just a little more time by chairman of the Board Both 1970. Happy days at the Rose Room.

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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:25 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:51 pm
Don't know if you've ever heard this - the isolated vocals of Marvin Gaye, Live, On heard it through the grapevine...... I think it's incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNVWw0gDeMY
Stunning

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Post by Zom Zom » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:26 pm

Not really an opinion, but selling records in my spare time, Motown is by far my biggest mover.

I've never appreciated it personally, but the demand suggests I'm missing something. Not to my liking, but certainly a great deal of respect for it.

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Post by conyoviejo » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:20 pm

The World is just a great big Onion

Love Train

Tainted Love

Do I love you ,indeed I do.

What.
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Happy Radio by the late great Edwin Starr

So many great records in both Tamla and northern.soul.

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Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:45 pm

Creators of the Motown sound were the largely uncredited Funk Brothers.

https://vimeo.com/306924495

According to the intro they plated on more No 1 hits than the Beatles Stones and Beach Boys combined but most people had never heard of them.
Fascinating documentary if you haven't seen it already. Includes lots of numbers from their amazing reunion concert.

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Post by claret3561 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:47 pm

Not entirely sure if I am correct but I believe a copy of frank wilson,s do I love you is the most expensive single ever sold.
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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:52 pm

claret3561 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:47 pm
Not entirely sure if I am correct but I believe a copy of frank wilson,s do I love you is the most expensive single ever sold.
I'm sure if Siddo sees the thred he will Confirm...or have Knowledge.

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Post by alf_resco » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:55 pm

Zom Zom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:26 pm
selling records in my spare time, Motown is by far my biggest mover.
I've got loads of Tamla 45s in the loft. It takes two by Marvin G and Kim Weston and the original River deep, Mountain high by Ike & Tina T. Loads of Supremes originals.
Anyone know if they're worth much?

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Post by Siddo » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:15 pm

The most expensive British motown singles tend to be those with the tmg number 500 onwards. But even some of those aren't worth very much at all.
Frank Wilson was sold in 2009 on a Soul import for £25000. It was sold again last year for an undisclosed sum, but more than 25 grand to a business man in Leicester.
The record was originally stolen from the Motown archives, I think in LA, but it might have been Detroit, by a guy called Simon Soussan who discovered a lot of northern soul top records, and promptly bootleged them.
He was a real character and a likeable rogue, even though he ripped off quite a few top djs in the 70s, getting advanced payments on records and then failing to supply them
DILY was covered up as Indeed I Do by a singer called Eddie Foster and was bootleged by Soussan and it sold in its thousands.
I have held the copy just sold when i dj'd at a venue, and the then owner, Tim Brown played it just before I took over from him.
There are now 2 known copies and it is thought a collector in London, a black cab driver has a third. There are rarer records on the northern soul scene, but they don't have the same mystique as DILY.

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Post by Siddo » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:35 pm

Just been digging for a bit more info and it looks like motown tried to get the stolen copy back.

"A few people had been privileged enough to see the immaculate archive where copies of all the Motown records were stored. It is believed that two copies of the Frank Wilson 45 were there: one in the Motown Record File, and the other in the Jobete Music Record File. It would appear that by 1979 both were missing.

We will never truly know what took place but, by fair means or foul, Simon Soussan became the new custodian of Soul 35019.

The record was perfect for the Northern Soul scene and Simon, who had been a long time supplier of records to many of the top DJs, knew exactly what to do with his latest ‘discovery’.

He cut some acetates of the track, at a slightly faster speed and sent them over to select DJs. In order to protect the origin of the record, and not for the first time, Simon invented a whole new identity for the track. Those who received it were led to believe the singer was Eddie Foster, a West Coast artist, whose ‘I Never Knew’ on ‘In Records’ had been a very popular spin. Simon knew that using a known name would bring instant recognition and interest.

‘Eddie Foster’ made his debut in November 1977 and was greeted with wild enthusiasm by dancers and collectors alike. Repeated exposure across the country, and particularly at Wigan Casino, turned it into one of the most in-demand sounds of the day.

Simon had frequently bootlegged records, from his base in L.A., shipping them over to UK record dealers to satisfy the demand that had built up in the clubs. He made no exception on this occasion, and in February 1978 copies of ‘Eddie Foster’ became available to the masses to buy for £1.25.

The cover-up had worked as nobody had any idea that this was a Motown recording. Had it been cut in Detroit we might have had our suspicions raised, but without Benny Benjamin’s drum roll, James Jamerson’s bass or a Mike Terry sax break our points of reference were missing.

As time went on rumours began to circulate that all was not as it seemed. Every week a new theory was put forward about the real identity of ‘Eddie Foster’; some said it was definitely Lou Ragland, others countered claiming it was an unreleased recording by the Servicemen, many believed, myself included, that it had been rescued from the Mirwood vaults. Nobody connected it to Motown. It would be July before the truth began to emerge.

Simon decided to sell his record collection to Les McCutcheon, a UK based record dealer and collector and, as Neil Rushton recalled “Just about the last record he was handed was ‘Do I Love you (Indeed I Do)’…Les is said to have gone white with shock when he saw it was a Motown recording. He did not realise he had unwittingly been selling a bootleg as Simon, as was his way, had lied convincingly”. At last the truth was out.

The Motown ‘Quality Control’ copy was now a British resident and over the years it has been owned by various people. In 1979 it was put up for sale, by Jonathan Woodliffe, for £500. Kev Roberts eventually acquired the record for £350 worth of funk/soul albums and 12” records. In 1989 Kev sold it to its current owner Tim Brown, a highly respected collector and dealer, for £5 000.

Despite the fact that the ‘Eddie Foster’ bootleg had sold thousands of copies, UK Tamla Motown decided to issue the record.

It was around the time of the UK release that Motown took steps to try and recover their lost record. Despite trying they were unable to locate it and eventually gave up. In Los Angeles Tom de Pierro waited for Simon to return the record. He died prematurely refusing to believe that Simon had sold it.

For many years the ‘Quality Control’ copy remained a one-off but, as often happens, another copy surfaced.

Now here is exactly what he told me when I asked him how he had all these mint records including the Frank Wilson on Soul: “We would press six copies and send three to Motown for approval and keep the other three copies on file”.

Then he said one day the owner told him to get rid of all the older records on file because they were taking up a lot of space BUT instead of throwing away all three copies he saved ONE copy of each and took those home, “and that's what I got”.

“So IF the former ARP manager that I got my copy from was correct”, Ron continued, “and the other two copies the plant had were destroyed then besides the one copy stolen from Motown's files that would leave only two possible other copies to exist.

Exactly how many copies were originally pressed has been debated at length for years. Many refuse to believe that Motown would go to the trouble of just pressing six copies but no concrete evidence has ever been presented to contradict the story as told by Ron.

The fact that cannot be disputed is that the two known copies come from a primary source; both are clearly related to the initial stage of the production of the record. No other copy has surfaced, outside of this inner circle, despite thousands of collectors searching everywhere, through millions of records, for the past 30 years.

Despite this there have been numerous reports of more copies: Berry Gordy allegedly has one, so does Billie Jean Brown, a Motown collector in London, a record dealer in Detroit and another in the Carolinas. Frank certainly never had a copy: “I had NO idea an original even existed!”

Marc Gordon, who co-produced the track, also confirmed that he had never had a copy.

The possibility that more exist cannot be totally, and absolutely, refuted but until these reports are confirmed, with hard evidence, they have to remain as unsubstantiated claims. If we believe that only six copies were pressed then two remain unaccounted for.

The popularity of ‘Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)’ has grown steadily over the years. It has been featured on numerous compilations and generated a further surge of interest when used by KFC for a national advertising campaign. As previously mentioned, the song eventually gained a USA release, in 1995, when it was included in The Sound Of Young America CD series as a bonus track on the 1966 volume. The version used featured an alternate vocal take.

The auction of ‘Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)’ is about to add another chapter to one of the most incredible stories ever told and as Frank has said, “I consider it one of my life's greatest achievements!”.

I don’t think any of us would disagree with that."

Footnote: The 45 sold for £25 742 to an anonymous bidder.
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Post by JanetM » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:44 pm

Not a fan of Northern Soul but loved many Motown records. Really liked the Isley Brothers and Smokey Robinson's Tracks of My Tears is one of my all time favourites.

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Post by JanetM » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm

Oh and of course The Four Tops
https://youtu.be/xu5ynjOlnOg
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Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:07 pm

Thanks for this thread. I needed a lift today and listening to loads of Motown has helped.
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Post by Elizabeth » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:43 pm

Can anyone link Ain’t that Peculiar by Marvin Gaye

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Post by dandeclaret » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:46 pm

I suspect this will fall into the Northern Soul category...... however....... I cannot watch this video and fail to feel joy. The clothes, the style, the moves, the unfeasible waistlines...... the vibe...... just class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaLTzCW6r0

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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:48 pm

This was one of my mother's favourite tracks, it got a lot of play whenever we had a party back in the day, and it also got an obvious BFC connection as well as being a great tune.

Martha Reeves & the Vandellas - Jimmy Mackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvSFWv ... &index=20

And this is a timeless classic by Mary Wells,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liT_YkqTSqQ I never realised she contracted TB at the tender age of 10, they had it tough in those days didn't they.

Good thread and a real anecdote to all the doom and gloom on the transfer threads. :)


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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:43 pm
Can anyone link Ain’t that Peculiar by Marvin Gaye
Here you go :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM7SehIuO-M
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Post by Elizabeth » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:55 pm

That’s just brilliant, thanks

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Thanks for this thread. I needed a lift today and listening to loads of Motown has helped.
:D

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:48 pm

Harold Melvin and the blue notes...The Love you Lost......If you Dont know me by now ..weren't Tamla Motown..but hey its Friday night Give em a spin!

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Post by claret2018 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 pm

Incredibly, Neil Young was once signed to Tamla Motown

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Post by claret4blue » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:28 pm

Marvin Gaye/ Kim Weston

https://youtu.be/DUk4CM4lI3Q

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Post by Zom Zom » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:03 am

alf_resco wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:55 pm
I've got loads of Tamla 45s in the loft. It takes two by Marvin G and Kim Weston and the original River deep, Mountain high by Ike & Tina T. Loads of Supremes originals.
Anyone know if they're worth much?
If those titles are on the Tamla label, from experience I’m afraid not. I found the most sought after titles were issued on the American label Oriole. The problem being they were mass produced for years.

To check for yourself though, as I’m no expert, try here

Www.Discogs.com

It’s a definitive reference site and very reliable.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:53 am

Havnt looked through all the thread ...but has one of the greatest recording artists on the planet had a mention
Steveland Hardaway Morris.
https://youtu.be/ppLJAp2Tnwo

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Post by Elizabeth » Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:28 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Thanks for this thread. I needed a lift today and listening to loads of Motown has helped.
It’s a wonderful life experience how doing things you love can quickly lift the spirits
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Post by tim_noone » Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:27 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:53 am
Havnt looked through all the thread ...but has one of the greatest recording artists on the planet had a mention
Steveland Hardaway Morris.
https://youtu.be/ppLJAp2Tnwo
Uptight everything's gonna be Alright :D

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:52 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:28 am
It’s a wonderful life experience how doing things you love can quickly lift the spirits
I'm struggling through a family issue at the moment but music can and does help

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Post by Mala591 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:03 pm

A great Motown sound that has always been very popular on the Northern Soul scene

I’ll Always Love -The Spinners (1965)

https://youtu.be/XbKCTgmdgPg

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Post by Zom Zom » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:52 am
I'm struggling through a family issue at the moment but music can and does help
It absolutely does. Whatever your issue is, I hope things work out.
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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:17 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:27 am
Uptight everything's gonna be Alright :D
https://youtu.be/DYIGZrwlTZc
Oh yes....a cool cool man.............and later on in his career made one of the finest double albums in the history of music
Songs in the key of life

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Post by Sarum » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:34 pm

An often overlooked Motown singer from - West Yorkshire!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI2NLDGcMjw
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Post by tim_noone » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:51 pm

Sarum wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:34 pm
An often overlooked Motown singer from - West Yorkshire!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI2NLDGcMjw
:D you learn something new every day....I knew candi statton was on the Label ...a bit of an anomaly then.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:54 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:17 pm
https://youtu.be/DYIGZrwlTZc
Oh yes....a cool cool man.............and later on in his career made one of the finest double albums in the history of music
Songs in the key of life
I saw Stevie Wonder live about 50 years ago. Incredible performance from him.
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