I know there's alot debate about what describes a big club but I just want a bigger or smaller answer based on what you think. Should be interesting to see how people perceive us.

AFC Bournemouth - Bigger
Barnsley - Bigger
Birmingham City - Smaller
Blackburn Rovers - Bigger
Blackpool - Bigger
Bristol City - Bigger
Cardiff City - Smaller
Coventry City - Bigger
Derby County - Smaller
Fulham - Bigger
Huddersfield Town - Bigger
Hull City - Bigger
Luton Town - Bigger
Middlesbrough - Smaller
Millwall - Bigger
Nottingham Forest - Smaller
Peterborough - Bigger
Preston - Bigger
QPR - Bigger
Reading - Bigger
Sheffield Utd - Smaller
Stoke City - Smaller
Swansea City - Bigger
West Bromwich Albion - Smaller

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What criteria?
League position: we are bigger than all of them.
History: we are up there.
Fan base: you are about correct.

minnieclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:37 pm

What criteria?
League position: we are bigger than all of them.
History: we are up there.
Fan base: you are about correct.

I thought it was about the club's debt level tbh

The OP has nailed it in one and would be interested to see him do the same for League One

Surely which is the biggest club is by definition, everything else being equal, is the club with the most amount of supporters.

Whether that club is more successful than other clubs is a different question entirely.

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:18 pm

I know there's alot debate about what describes a big club but I just want a bigger or smaller answer based on what you think. Should be interesting to see how people perceive us.

AFC Bournemouth - Bigger
Barnsley - Bigger
Birmingham City - Smaller
Blackburn Rovers - Bigger
Blackpool - Bigger
Bristol City - Bigger
Cardiff City - Smaller
Coventry City - Bigger
Derby County - Smaller
Fulham - Bigger
Huddersfield Town - Bigger
Hull City - Bigger
Luton Town - Bigger
Middlesbrough - Smaller
Millwall - Bigger
Nottingham Forest - Smaller
Peterborough - Bigger
Preston - Bigger
QPR - Bigger
Reading - Bigger
Sheffield Utd - Smaller
Stoke City - Smaller
Swansea City - Bigger
West Bromwich Albion - Smaller

AFC Bournemouth - Bigger
Barnsley - Bigger
Birmingham City - Smaller
Blackburn Rovers - Bigger
Blackpool - Bigger
Bristol City - Bigger
Cardiff City - Bigger
Coventry City - Smaller
Derby County - Smaller
Fulham - Bigger
Huddersfield Town - Bigger
Hull City - Bigger
Luton Town - Bigger
Middlesbrough - Similar
Millwall - Bigger
Nottingham Forest - Similar
Peterborough - Bigger
Preston - Bigger
QPR - Bigger
Reading - Bigger
Sheffield Utd - Smaller
Stoke City - Similar
Swansea City - Bigger
West Bromwich Albion - Similar

AFC Bournemouth - Bigger
Barnsley - Bigger
Birmingham City - Bigger
Blackburn Rovers - Same
Blackpool - Bigger
Bristol City - Bigger
Cardiff City - Bigger
Coventry City - Bigger
Derby County - Same
Fulham - Bigger
Huddersfield Town - Bigger
Hull City - Bigger
Luton Town - Bigger
Middlesbrough - Bigger
Millwall - Bigger
Nottingham Forest - Same
Peterborough - Bigger
Preston - Bigger
QPR - Bigger
Reading - Bigger
Sheffield Utd - Smaller
Stoke City - Bigger
Swansea City - Bigger
West Bromwich Albion - Same

The size of a club is inversely proportional to how much its fanbase gives a s**t about it's perceived size.

We're currently bigger than all of them as we're playing our trade in the PL. well they are all currently plying their trade int he Championship, however in the spirit of the OP. I'll give it a bash.

AFC Bournemouth - Bigger
Barnsley - Bigger
Birmingham City - Smaller
Blackburn Rovers - Same
Blackpool - Bigger
Bristol City - Smaller
Cardiff City - Bigger
Coventry City - Bigger
Derby County - Same
Fulham - Bigger
Huddersfield Town - Bigger
Hull City - Bigger
Luton Town - Bigger
Middlesbrough - Bigger
Millwall - Bigger
Nottingham Forest - Smaller
Peterborough - Bigger
Preston - Same
QPR - Bigger
Reading - Bigger
Sheffield Utd - Smaller
Stoke City - Smaller
Swansea City - Bigger
West Bromwich Albion - Same

I'd place us on a par with many of those clubs in terms of attendances, in terms of history Derby & Forest both boost European cups within living memory, well Fulham & Middlesbrough have competed in recent European finals, and obviously Blackburn, Blackpool, Huddersfield & PNE have plenty of successes to document, however apart from Rovers winning the PL in 95, most of their big triumphs are a long time ago, as equally are Burnley's, we've not won a major trophy since 1960, but as always with these thing it's objective.

Derby - European Cup? Won the 1st Division twice in the 70's and the FA Cup in 1946.

Does it matter? JMHO.

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:08 pm

Derby - European Cup? Won the 1st Division twice in the 70's and the FA Cup in 1946.

Sorry yeah mixing up Derby & Villa. They did come close under Clough to lifting the European Cup, think they got to the semis one year, and then their injuries cost them.

All of them.

Claretitus wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:09 pm

Does it matter? JMHO.

Well it might if we were to suffer relegation this season, as many seem to think we will on here.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:39 pm

The OP has nailed it in one and would be interested to see him do the same for League One

There's 3 in League 1 bigger than us.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:12 pm

Sorry yeah mixing up Derby & Villa. They did come close under Clough to lifting the European Cup, think they got to the semis one year, and then their injuries cost them.

I think they lost to a top side maybe in the quarter or semi final but they were an exceptionally good side under Clough, I listened to John McGovern on Talksport today and he mentioned Alan Hinton missed 2 games because he nutmegged McKay in training and shouted out in glee. McKay responded by kicking him into space

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:19 pm

There's 3 in League 1 bigger than us.

I can narrow it down to 7 but not sure on who your exact three are but must be between

Bolton, Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Sunderland

What about La Liga?

I have a less abstract notion of which clubs we may or may not be “bigger” than, with no further definition of the measurement criteria is……. And it is…..

Which brand of elephant repellant do residents of Padiham find to be the most successful?

All those clubs( and teams) are crap!

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:13 pm

Well it might if we were to suffer relegation this season, as many seem to think we will on here.

Surely not with all the signings we’ve made

my dad - bigger
than your dad

Bigger than all of them because we’re in the prem and they’re not. Like Rovers.

Enjoy it.

If you take in factors such as history, trophies, fan base size & current league and financial position here are my thoughts

We are bigger than all of them apart from these few who each could argue the toss one way or another:

Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Derby County
Nottingham Forest
Preston
Sheffield Utd
Stoke City
West Bromwich Albion

Preston? They were big in the century before last. That’s it.

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:22 pm

I think they lost to a top side maybe in the quarter or semi final but they were an exceptionally good side under Clough, I listened to John McGovern on Talksport today and he mentioned Alan Hinton missed 2 games because he nutmegged McKay in training and shouted out in glee. McKay responded by kicking him into space

They lost to Juventus over two legs in the 1972-73 season .... lost 3-1 in Turin and a 0-0 draw at the Baseball Ground

In the first leg, the Juventus player Helmut Haller was seen visiting the Referees room ( a fellow German ) before the game & during half time. Peter Taylor saw this and tried to intervene. He was punched by Haller and then frogmarched away by Juventus security staff. The only two Derby players on a yellow card from previous European games, Roy McFarland & Archie Gemmill were both booked for their first fouls of the game, ensuring they'd miss the 2nd leg. No Juventus player was booked despite some typically robust Italian tackling. The Juventus General Manager at the time, Italo Allodi employed a Hungarian called Solti to work as a " fixer ", but when UEFA finally investigated him in 1974, it was claimed that Solti was acting independently, and Allodi got off.

The referee for the 2nd leg, a Portugese called Lobo, was approached by Solti and offered $5,000 and a new car for a Juventus win but fortunately he was honest and reported the approach to UEFA.

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:50 pm

If you take in factors such as history, trophies, fan base size & current league and financial position here are my thoughts

We are bigger than all of them apart from these few who each could argue the toss one way or another:

Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Derby County
Nottingham Forest
Preston
Sheffield Utd
Stoke City
West Bromwich Albion

Agree 100% from that list, so many variables what could define bigger, you’d be arguing all day & getting nowhere with it.

How can anyone suggest we are not bigger than Bristol City
Tinpot club, won sod all, with an owner who prioritises Rugby

Longtimeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 pm

How can anyone suggest we are not bigger than Bristol City
Tinpot club, won sod all, with an owner who prioritises Rugby

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Bristol City should have the potential to be a massive club given their catchment area, however as you rightly point out it's a hotbed of rugby.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:02 pm

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Bristol City should have the potential to be a massive club given their catchment area, however as you rightly point out it's a hotbed of rugby.

Always preferred the “gas”, having lived in the City for 2 years.

Longtimeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:07 pm

Always preferred the “gas”, having lived in the City for 2 years.

Yes sadly they've fallen on hard times under Joey, but rightly or wrongly they've always been the poor neighbours.

Bristol is on my lists of cities to visit for a weekend, I've heard lots of good things about it, particularly the renowned architecture.

We are bigger than all of them as they play in a Division below ours.
It will stay that way until we are relegated ( if we ever are)

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:15 pm

Yes sadly they've fallen on hard times under Joey, but rightly or wrongly they've always been the poor neighbours.

Bristol is on my lists of cities to visit for a weekend, I've heard lots of good things about it, particularly the renowned architecture.

I used to visit Bristol regularly for business and had a couple of colleagues there who were Bristol City fans. They reckoned that the division of support was based on geography. Those in the north of the city supported Rovers (football), Bristol (rugby) & Gloucester (cricket) while for those in the south it was City, Bath & Somerset.

Never really thought of Brizzle like that Tony, but makes complete sense.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:37 pm

We are bigger than all of them as they play in a Division below ours.
It will stay that way until we are relegated ( if we ever are)

It's weird how easy it is to decipher isn't it?

I know my Reading supporting neighbors see Burnley as a much bigger club than Reading
Historically , Reading spent most of their existence in the lower reaches of the football league and only a few seasons in the Premier league

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:15 pm

Yes sadly they've fallen on hard times under Joey, but rightly or wrongly they've always been the poor neighbours.

Bristol is on my lists of cities to visit for a weekend, I've heard lots of good things about it, particularly the renowned architecture.

Used to do alot of work in Bristol. Very strange place with lots of very strange people. Nice enough City though with a lovely waterfront.

We are bigger than all non PL clubs simply because we ARE in the PL. Oh and being a founder member of FL. Oh and having a great history. Some idiot on here thinks MK Dons are a bigger club than us. No further comment needed

What about the French Lg Un