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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:42 pm

Robinson now

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:42 pm

See how Jimmy and Broad get on later tonight

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:43 pm

Robinson gone.... 155-8

no shot whatsoever.....

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:44 pm

May still be time for a result the way we are batting

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:44 pm

Is this England or Lowerhouse we are watching?

Some poor , and some horrendous shots being played here.
This is a hard watch.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:47 pm

27 ducks is the record for England in a calendar year. 22 and counting at the moment is embarrassing. Surely that record is going to be obliterated with this shambles of a team.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by RVclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:47 pm

Absolutely abysmal - nothing else to say.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:53 pm

In 10 overs we have lost 6 wickets for 22 runs. Nothing to add!

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:59 pm

Ah! it must be summertime an England batting collapse, and remember we won the toss and batted.

Root played well, and got a good delivery, as for the rest words fail me.

It might be for the best if the Ashes are cancelled this winter, imagine this bunch facing the Aussie quicks at Perth, or the MCG, indeed any ground in oz for that matter.

Let's just the bowlers yet again can drag us back into the contest, but it's a mighty ask for them against a strong Indian line-up.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:00 pm

Bumrah has been unplayable today.

Great bowler.

Let's hope Jimmy is as good.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:03 pm

They've forgotten how to play PROPER Cricket.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:06 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:00 pm
Bumrah has been unplayable today.

Great bowler.

Let's hope Jimmy is as good.
He's bowled well. as you'd expect, but there's been some tame dismissals for England.

And this isn't a one-off it's happening on all different surfaces, against varying attacks around the world with England.

You can set you watch that whenever England bat they'll be 3 down for not very many, and without Ben Stokes to dig us out of holes the cracks are now really showing.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:21 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:06 pm
He's bowled well. as you'd expect, but there's been some tame dismissals for England.

And this isn't a one-off it's happening on all different surfaces, against varying attacks around the world with England.

You can set you watch that whenever England bat they'll be 3 down for not very many, and without Ben Stokes to dig us out of holes the cracks are now really showing.
It's a very weak English batting line up, no doubt.

But I think better batsman than this lot would have nicked off, whereas this lot couldn't get anywhere near them.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:21 pm

183 all out

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by RVclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:26 pm

Going to need Jimmy to produce some magic here. Will be encouraged by the amount of swing Bumrah got particularly early on.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:53 pm

Top to bottom things need changing with the approach to red ball cricket over here. We have one legitimate test match batsman. And beyond Broad and Anderson there really isn’t a standout first name on the team sheet bowler around at the moment.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:53 pm
Top to bottom things need changing with the approach to red ball cricket over here. We have one legitimate test match batsman. And beyond Broad and Anderson there really isn’t a standout first name on the team sheet bowler around at the moment.
Jofra Archer? Chris Woakes?

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by ecc » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:45 pm

This is a genuine question (I don't know the answer):

Putting Cook aside, which is difficult, who was the last England opening batsman to average 40 in at least Test 30 innings (minimum 30 innings not to skew the stats)?

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by matttheclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:48 pm

Must be Strauss

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:48 pm

Too many batters who are nowhere near good enough for test match level cricket. Test Match Special made the point the majority of them have prepared for a 5 test series by playing various forms of 1 day cricket all summer.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Stevie2112 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:54 pm

ecc wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:45 pm
This is a genuine question (I don't know the answer):

Putting Cook aside, which is difficult, who was the last England opening batsman to average 40 in at least Test 30 innings (minimum 30 innings not to skew the stats)?
Trescothick

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by RVclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:48 pm
Too many batters who are nowhere near good enough for test match level cricket. Test Match Special made the point the majority of them have prepared for a 5 test series by playing various forms of 1 day cricket all summer.
Yep, Bairstow literally smashed 80 odd off 40 odd the other day in the 100!

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:03 pm

Dismal batting display, and it's not got any better with the ball, India 21-0 at the close, and thus far their openers look disturbingly comfortable.

It might be time to start doing a rain dance, as that seems to be the only thing that will save England from a heavy defeat here.

I do agree with the comments already made above, how on earth are our batsman supposed to properly prepare for a 5 day test match, when they've barely played any meaningful first class cricket in weeks, and no I don't count the white ball formats as meaningful, certainly not as preparation for a test match against one of the leading nations in world cricket right now.

This series was always going to prove difficult for England, but they've hardly helped themselves with the domestic calendar scheduled as it has been.

Perhaps it time to have a completely different squad for the various formats, the only 4 that I'd class as potential test players are, Burns, Sibley, Crawley & naturally Root, however the first 3 are horribly out of form, perhaps a CC game or two beforehand would have helped in that regard, just to allow them to get back into the rhythm of the longer format once more, they've all shown at times that they can score runs at this level, so I wouldn't totally discount them yet, and let's be honest who's waiting in the wings to take their places, Hameed is the only one who springs to mind, and at least he has been scoring runs this season. and Root yet again did well, but once more couldn't convert his 50 into a 100, and his conversion rate compared to the other top players is growing steadily worse by the innings, 60's don't win test matches, however 150+ scores might well do. but he doesn't post enough of them these days.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:25 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:03 pm
Dismal batting display, and it's not got any better with the ball, India 21-0 at the close, and thus far their openers look disturbingly comfortable.

It might be time to start doing a rain dance, as that seems to be the only thing that will save England from a heavy defeat here.

I do agree with the comments already made above, how on earth are our batsman supposed to properly prepare for a 5 day test match, when they've barely played any meaningful first class cricket in weeks, and no I don't count the white ball formats as meaningful, certainly not as preparation for a test match against one of the leading nations in world cricket right now.

This series was always going to prove difficult for England, but they've hardly helped themselves with the domestic calendar scheduled as it has been.

Perhaps it time to have a completely different squad for the various formats, the only 4 that I'd class as potential test players are, Burns, Sibley, Crawley & naturally Root, however the first 3 are horribly out of form, perhaps a CC game or two beforehand would have helped in that regard, just to allow them to get back into the rhythm of the longer format once more, they've all shown at times that they can score runs at this level, so I wouldn't totally discount them yet, and let's be honest who's waiting in the wings to take their places, Hameed is the only one who springs to mind, and at least he has been scoring runs this season. and Root yet again did well, but once more couldn't convert his 50 into a 100, and his conversion rate compared to the other top players is growing steadily worse by the innings, 60's don't win test matches, however 150+ scores might well do. but he doesn't post enough of them these days.
Sibley: 35 innings, 2 hundreds and an average of 31
Burns: 46 innings, 3 hundreds and an average of 33

Simply not good enough. Although I agree with your comment on potential replacements.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by ecc » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:30 pm

Trescothick : 43.79 in 76 tests. Last test: August 2006;

Strauss: 40.91 in 100 tests. Last test: August 2012.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:42 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:25 pm
Sibley: 35 innings, 2 hundreds and an average of 31
Burns: 46 innings, 3 hundreds and an average of 33

Simply not good enough. Although I agree with your comment on potential replacements.
And this is the problem for England, the cupboard is bare regarding genuine opening batsman these days.

I hoped young Crawley might be the answer, but after a promising beginning to his test career, he's fallen away badly over the last year or so.

And despite his big double hundred against Pakistan at Southampton, he averages under 30 in his brief test match career, and take that 267 out, and his figures don't look great at all, only 4 half centuries in 25 test innings including today.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:58 am

Steady opening hour by the Indian opening pair, 39-0 England keeping it tight, but not much sign of a breakthrough yet.

Rohit & Rahul showing how you should bat in a test match against the new ball, England would do well to take note of their approach.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:12 pm

50 opening partnership for India, I thought this pitch was a minefield after England batted yesterday, but seemingly not.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:02 pm

Finally a wicket for England just before lunch, Robinson strikes to remove Rohit for 36, still India's morning by a long way however, 97-1 at lunch, and a mere 86 adrift.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:06 pm

Archer out of the Ashes & World Cup.

Not the best 27 hours or so

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Milltown1882 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:06 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:59 pm
Jofra Archer? Chris Woakes?
Woakes flatters to deceive abroad a lot of the time and the fact Archer has been ruled out for the rest of the year sums up what will probably be a very limited Test career.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by dandeclaret » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:46 pm

Archer injury precludes him from the series, but the idea he's not a 1st name on the team sheet bowler given all available evidence isn't right is it? Woakes's figures in England also make him a first name on the team sheet surely?

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:49 pm

It’s been a dreadful few days.
First Stokes, another abject performance with the bat and then you lose the one bowler who might make a difference in Australia.

I suspect we won’t be too keen on that tour going ahead.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Bosscat » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:56 pm

Anderson on a hat-trick ... Kohli out for a Gold🦆

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Post by dandeclaret » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:58 pm

The worlds greatest ever pace bowler has found some rhythm...... come on.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:07 pm

And here is that Jimmy magic we needed!

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:11 pm

Think I heard commentary say he is now level with Kumble on 519 wickets. Likely to be 3rd in the all time list on his own by the end of the day.

He never got me out though.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:11 pm

Run out!

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:13 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:11 pm
Run out!
England could have a 1st innings lead here. Wonder what odds that was a couple of balls before lunch

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:16 pm

Jimmy single-handedly hauling England back into the fight, what a gem of a bowler he is.

England need to keep the pressure on now. and make those wickets telling.

That run out will help.

A penny for Rahul's thoughts, or rather a Rupee.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:20 pm

Great fielding by Bairstowe
Jimmy has inspired this comeback
Come on England

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:21 pm

Sibley drops easy catch off Jimmy

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:22 pm

Woakes for Sibley next test
Woakes scored runs on England

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by Local cricketer » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:22 pm

What does Sibley offer? He can’t bat and now we know he can’t catch. Two massive aspects of been a test match cricketer

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:26 pm

That could be costly, the set batsman Rahul as well, you've got to poach them at this level I'm afraid.

I wouldn't be making eye contact with Jimmy if I was Dom Sibley.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:28 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:22 pm
Woakes for Sibley next test
Woakes scored runs on England
Woakes is injured isn't he.

Hameed for Sibley is surely going to happen though.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:30 pm

Off for bad light. Never mind, the hundred starts in an hour :roll:

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:35 pm

That stoppage has came at an ideal time for India, England were well on top, and if that useless idiot Sibley could learn to catch Jimmy would have had another scalp, and a key one at that.

Great hour post lunch for England, and we are still in this match just, however an hour or so of Pant and the picture could rapidly change.

They may not get back on today, rain is forecast for mid-afternoon onwards.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:35 pm

Currently taking tea, but the expected rain has arrived, and if the forecast is accurate it's not going anywhere fast.

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Re: England vs India - PROPER cricket - 1st Test

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:38 pm

I think we're in for a very low scoring series. I can't see their batsmen making big scores in English conditions, and we all know the problems with England's battling line up.

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