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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:05 am

Trent bridge is ready...... but the weather looks not to be great for the 4 days after today.

Stokes out and rumours that Pope has failed a fitness test, with Bairstow rumoured to be coming back in...... no doubt to be bowled for 14 by a seamer.

Who do you think will play?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:07 am

Heard Root & Buttler have been called up by taunton tornados in the big bosh 100 so Atherton & Alec Stewart are filling in for the first 3 days of the test, then the original 2 will be subbed back in.

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Post by Spijed » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:08 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:05 am
Trent bridge is ready...... but the weather looks not to be great for the 4 days after today.

Stokes out and rumours that Pope has failed a fitness test, with Bairstow rumoured to be coming back in...... no doubt to be bowled for 14 by a seamer.

Who do you think will play?
Doesn't say much for English test cricket at the moment if there are no better alternatives than Bairstow.

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Post by jdrobbo » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:09 am

Hameed?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:09 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:08 am
Doesn't say much for English test cricket at the moment if there are no better alternatives than Bairstow.
Bairstow looks a world beater compared to a top 3 of Burns, Sibley & Crawley

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Post by Local cricketer » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:11 am

Bairstow been presented with his commemorative 75th cap so he is playing

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:14 am

I think Hameed might replace Crawley JDR..... that's my gut feel. Seems to be some thought that Bess might play instead of Leach, because he can bat a bit better. That's not the right way to go. Don't weaken your bowling attack to prop up your batting.

My XI (from those available) - Burns, Sibley, Hameed, Root, Crawley, Buttler, Robinson, Broad, Wood, Leach, Anderson

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:17 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:14 am
I think Hameed might replace Crawley JDR..... that's my gut feel. Seems to be some thought that Bess might play instead of Leach, because he can bat a bit better. That's not the right way to go. Don't weaken your bowling attack to prop up your batting.

My XI (from those available) - Burns, Sibley, Hameed, Root, Crawley, Buttler, Robinson, Broad, Wood, Leach, Anderson
Think Wood is injured or recovering

Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root, Bairstow, Buttler, Robinson, Curran (S), Leach, Broad, Anderson

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Post by CleggHall » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:25 am

Let’s hope for a competitive series of REAL cricket between 2 evenly matched sides though I fancy India will shade it. I watch this Hundred lark on and off but can’t really take to it.

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:33 am

England win the toss and bat....

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:33 am

Team news.....

Bairstow in, Sam Curran in - no spinner again by the sounds of it.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:34 am

England win the toss and elect to bat

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:36 am

India only pick Jadeja as the spinner I think

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:37 am

England team.....

Burns, Sibley, Crawly, Root, Bairstow, Lawrence, Buttler, Curran, Robinson, Broad, Anderson

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:38 am

India - Sharma, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Pant, Jadeja, Thakur, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj.....

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:06 am

Burns gone in the first over

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:06 am

England 0/1, Burns gone.

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Post by Gunfury » Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:12 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:07 am
Heard Root & Buttler have been called up by taunton tornados in the big bosh 100 so Atherton & Alec Stewart are filling in for the first 3 days of the test, then the original 2 will be subbed back in.
How England could do with a quality opening partnership like Atherton and Stewart right now!

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Post by Spijed » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:11 pm

Michael Vaughan summed it up when he said the pendulum had swung so far towards one day cricket that the ECB have neglected the test side of things

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:12 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:11 pm
Michael Vaughan summed it up when he said the pendulum had swung so far towards one day cricket that the ECB have neglected the test side of things
I wouldn’t take much notice of Michael Vaughan

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Post by Local cricketer » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:24 pm

Fantastic interview with Virat on now

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:44 pm

Michael Vaughan is muted more on my devices than some posters on here.......

My favourite tweet of the morning was "It's nice to watch 2 hours of cricket without constantly being told how good it is"

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:55 pm

Top 3 all gone contributing 45 runs

66/3

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:01 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:55 pm
Top 3 all gone contributing 45 runs

66/3
They're way short of the standard required at this level.

10 years ago we played India at home with our top three as Strauss, Cook and Trott. Now Burns, Sibley and Crawley. One hell of a difference there

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Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:13 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:01 pm
They're way short of the standard required at this level.

10 years ago we played India at home with our top three as Strauss, Cook and Trott. Now Burns, Sibley and Crawley. One hell of a difference there
Obviously, as we only had to pick 1 Englishman...

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:16 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:13 pm
Obviously, as we only had to pick 1 Englishman...
KP next in at 4 too :D

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Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:27 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:16 pm
KP next in at 4 too :D
Very true!

The magician that was KP, he was great when firing, who do we have who can take a game away from the opposition in a session or win a game on their own?

Even with all his faults he was still great to watch.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:32 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:27 pm
Very true!

The magician that was KP, he was great when firing, who do we have who can take a game away from the opposition in a session or win a game on their own?

Even with all his faults he was still great to watch.
Erm Ben Stokes?

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Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:56 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:32 pm
Erm Ben Stokes?
Oh, I thought he was taking a break from cricket.

Stokes it is, hopefully he will slap it about this afternoon and get the crowd and the rest of the team going again.

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Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:34 pm

Much needed stand between Root/Bairstow, 133-3 now, but one or both of these have to make a ton, having gained 1st use of the track England should looking at 400-450 in our 1st dig.

The top order is a continuing problem, Burns got out in the 1st over, that can happen against good bowlers, and with a new ball, but both Sibley & Crawley both got starts, and then couldn't manage to go on.

Not sure about omitting a spinner, but I suppose Root can always fill in if the seamers need a rest, I'm guessing by the fact that India have only selected one spinner it's a typical English seamers paradise, if so Anderson & Broad will fancy themselves to bowl well, but firstly England need to put a total on the board.

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:40 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:34 pm
Much needed stand between Root/Bairstow, 133-3 now, but one or both of these have to make a ton, having gained 1st use of the track England should looking at 400-450 in our 1st dig.

The top order is a continuing problem, Burns got out in the 1st over, that can happen against good bowlers, and with a new ball, but both Sibley & Crawley both got starts, and then couldn't manage to go on.

Not sure about omitting a spinner, but I suppose Root can always fill in if the seamers need a rest, I'm guessing by the fact that India have only selected one spinner it's a typical English seamers paradise, if so Anderson & Broad will fancy themselves to bowl well, but firstly England need to put a total on the board.
When has 400-450 been the norm in swinging conditions on English wickets?

300-350 is the norm for 1st innings surely?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:43 pm

Bairstow being Bairstow

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:45 pm

138/4 at tea - Bairstow gone for 29, reviewed lbw.

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Post by joey13 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:45 pm
138/4 at tea - Bairstow gone for 29, reviewed lbw.
Bairstow review :shock:

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:47 pm

joey13 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:46 pm
Bairstow review :shock:
It was India’s review.

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Post by tiger76 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:50 pm

Bit of a blow losing JB on the stroke of tea, India now with the slight edge, and as usual a lot riding on the captain's shoulders.

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Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Think 280 be good score with conditions assisting swing bowlers.
Plenty of rain forecast from today so may struggle for a result

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Post by joey13 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:57 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:47 pm
It was India’s review.
👍

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:58 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:57 pm
Think 280 be good score with conditions assisting swing bowlers.
Plenty of rain forecast from today so may struggle for a result
Draw is already odds on fav

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Post by jrgbfc » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Hameed has to be worth a go in place of Sibley.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Lawrence gone without troubling the scorers

138/5

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Post by Vino blanco » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:09 pm

I've said it before on here, Root apart, this is the worst Test Team batting line up I have ever seen play for England, and I go back to Ken Barrington and Fred Trueman etc.

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:14 pm

Imagine test batters not being in great form for test match cricket, when there hasn't been A SINGLE first class game in the country for over 2 months?

The domestic cricketing calendar is a shambles, and the sights should be pointed squarely at the ECB. I'd argue the talent is there, however, the environment to hone skills, build momentum etc is not there.

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:16 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:09 pm
I've said it before on here, Root apart, this is the worst Test Team batting line up I have ever seen play for England, and I go back to Ken Barrington and Fred Trueman etc.
Other than Root, they all average less than 35. Impossible to be a good side with such an awful batting lineup

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:17 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:14 pm
Imagine test batters not being in great form for test match cricket, when there hasn't been A SINGLE first class game in the country for over 2 months?

The domestic cricketing calendar is a shambles, and the sights should be pointed squarely at the ECB. I'd argue the talent is there, however, the environment to hone skills, build momentum etc is not there.
Just before tea the camera went on Jos Buttler sat watching. They mentioned how long it had been since he’d played any red ball cricket. It was a long time and then he’s straight into a test match. It’s ridiculous.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:25 pm

And Buttler gone without scoring and from 18 balls. Poor shot, caught behind.

145/6

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Post by dandeclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:28 pm

Surprise surprise..... man who hasn't played red ball cricket for months and months fails to score.

Lack of talent? Lack of application? Lack of game structure? Lack of opportunity?

I'll let you decide?

PS - anyone fancy some Pom Bears or Wotsits or something?

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:34 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:14 pm
Imagine test batters not being in great form for test match cricket, when there hasn't been A SINGLE first class game in the country for over 2 months?
There was a round of games less than a month ago.

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Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:40 pm

Root gone now

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Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:41 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:40 pm
Root gone now
The rain will save us this time.

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