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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:48 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:47 pm
If there is no-one else, then Lennon is better than Glennon.

We are short across midfield, however, we have Gudmundsson with Brownhill able to cover and Jay Rodriguez is very capable of playing wide.
Glennon is a left back or centre half

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:49 pm

Why would Dyche have chosen to go into a game without four first team players out of choice?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by IanMcL » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:48 pm
Glennon is a left back or centre half
Thought he was playing wide left the other day?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:33 pm
And which young players were the owners bringing in that he couldn’t cope with?
We signed Collins, which is a very unlike Dyche signing.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:53 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:37 pm
You keep banging on about Jed Wallace? What have you seen from him that suddenly makes him a premier league at the age off 27? I’ve never seen him play but makes me wonder why he is still slumming it at the bottom end of the championship
Fair enough, I am just mentioning players that might be within our budget salary wise, and are relatively cheap as they're nearing the end of their contracts, and you can pick up bargains from the bottom end of the Championship, and turn them into decent PL players, even guys in their mid to late 20's, as typified by Scott Arfield a few years back, could Wallace make the grade, I don't know, but I'd rather take a modest gamble on someone like him, than waste money on Lennon, or this Cornet lad who's never played outwith France.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:43 pm
He hasn’t said he wants to re-sign him but neither has he said he doesn’t. He has said that he didn’t want to lose him. Dyche was doing no more that night than publicly stepping up his argument with Garlick.
Agreed.
And Garlick should have stuck him on gardening leave for that, IMO.
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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:57 pm

We’ve got to start adding some value to the squad. Value for the here and now and that might return a profit down the line.

Again, the time to judge is at the end of the window, but the nearer it gets the more it’s beginning to appear to be Groundhog Day.

This window is huge, on a number of fronts.
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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Denno97 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:33 pm
And which young players were the owners bringing in that he couldn’t cope with?
Harry Wilson

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:02 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:57 pm
We’ve got to start adding some value to the squad. Value for the here and now and that might return a profit down the line.

Again, the time to judge is at the end of the window, but the nearer it gets the more it’s beginning to appear to be Groundhog Day.

This window is huge, on a number of fronts.
Isn't that we are taking a punt with a few signings for the U23's, to see if they work out our not?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:55 pm
Agreed.
And Garlick should have stuck him on gardening leave for that, IMO.
So you'd rather see us get relegated in an instant, and possibly face huge issues down the line?

Strewth!

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:40 pm
Yes he did - along with Hart, Bardsley and Hendrick.
No they refused to play and they had every right not too play

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by TsarBomba » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:05 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:02 pm
Isn't that we are taking a punt with a few signings for the U23's, to see if they work out our not?
The investment in the u23’s, at the present time, is to bring them up to a competitive standard with the rest of the Cat 1 clubs.

If they can be utilised in various match day squads to bulk out the bench, then bonus, but if we’re reliant on a few u23 lads to keep us in the Prem then we are bang in trouble.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by clarethomer » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:06 pm

Denno97 wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:00 pm
Harry Wilson
wasn't that a player Garlick had lined up and not one that Dyche wanted?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:06 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:02 pm
Isn't that we are taking a punt with a few signings for the U23's, to see if they work out our not?
I’m not sure that it is. I could be wrong (I hope that I am) but I’ve not seen the sort of signings for the under 23s that I think will be challengers for the first team. There may be a longer term plan at play here.

What I’m hoping for is players of that sort of age or a little older who will be genuine first team players now. Our first eleven needs improving we need some longer term planning - not the likes of Lennon, Crouch or Stephens.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:06 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:04 pm
So you'd rather see us get relegated in an instant, and possibly face huge issues down the line?

Strewth!
We were about 10th at the time.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Spijed » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:06 pm
We were about 10th at the time.
But we'd have almost certainly got relegated the next season.

You don't really rate SD do you?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by MACCA » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:11 pm

He's been given a squad number, welcome aboard Aaron.
Biggest cheer of the day when he came on.

Thanks Mike!

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:12 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:08 pm
But we'd have almost certainly got relegated the next season.

You don't really rate SD do you?

I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
I was disgusted with his conduct towards the end of that season, his pubic put downs of our chairman, and through that, our club.
And there's always another manager out there. No-one should be indispensable.
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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:15 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:51 pm
We signed Collins, which is a very unlike Dyche signing.
Dyche wanted Collins before the new owners came in

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Wembley09 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:12 pm
I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
I was disgusted with his conduct towards the end of that season, his pubic put downs of our chairman, and through that, our club.
And there's always another manager out there. No-one should be indispensable.
If he thought that I'm sure he would have jumped ship long ago.
He was frustrated.. letting his emotions getting the better of him and making a point or retaliation.

He's only human like the rest of us. But to think he thinks he's better than us, I disagree with.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:23 pm

Wembley09 wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:19 pm
If he thought that I'm sure he would have jumped ship long ago.
He was frustrated.. letting his emotions getting the better of him and making a point or retaliation.

He's only human like the rest of us. But to think he thinks he's better than us, I disagree with.
I said bigger, not better.
I don't think him did himself any favours with those kind of comments about the chairman and our budget.
Not sure he would ever get a better job now.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Sean was spot on re his comments about funds.We have made millions from our stint in the Premier league with very little utilised to build a better team.This was Mike Garlicks fault and he was rightly criticised for it by Sean.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Wembley09 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:32 pm

I said bigger, not better.
I don't think him did himself any favours with those kind of comments about the chairman and our budget.
Not sure he would ever get a better job now.


Yeah you're right, I'm sorry.. twisted your wording there.

But on the better job comment, I think on merit he should/could.
Regardless of the comments, he's still done a fantastic job for us. I've seen other modern day managers says worse or even say worse and leave the first intstance they get etc.

I'd rather a man moan for better, and want to improve more on what he's done, than a man who just asks once then jumps ship like Coyle.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:33 pm

Wembley09 wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:32 pm
I said bigger, not better.
I don't think him did himself any favours with those kind of comments about the chairman and our budget.
Not sure he would ever get a better job now.


Yeah you're right, I'm sorry.. twisted your wording there.

But on the better job comment, I think on merit he should/could.
Regardless of the comments, he's still done a fantastic job for us. I've seen other modern day managers says worse or even say worse and leave the first intstance they get etc.

I'd rather a man moan for better, and want to improve more on what he's done, than a man who just asks once then jumps ship like Coyle.
TBH I think he's done himself no favours in respect of future top jobs with his attitude towards MG.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:12 pm
I think he believes he is bigger than the club.
And I believe you are a million miles away with that assumption.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:54 pm
And I believe you are a million miles away with that assumption.
And you may be right, after all we don't know him do we?

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:56 pm
And you may be right, after all we don't know him do we?
I wouldn’t even think I could say I know him but I’ve spoken to him a good few times. I just don’t think for one second he’s the type of person who would think himself better than the club.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Conroy92 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:01 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:28 pm
Still don't think some of you get what padding out the squad means. Lennon is a perfect example of padding out. Experienced player, knows he isn't guaranteed a start but is reliable and fills a slot, even if it's as back up. It allows another season to develop players and/or sign a replacement.
If Lennon was to sign I don't think he's expecting to walk into the starting XI.
Dyche knows that too but it fills a spot where previously we've had to shove Brownhill or Pieters and that is not their position.
He won't be the last of our transfer business and he's not the player who'll start on the right wing come the close of the window.
You can't pad your squad out every year without also adding first team additions unless you want to end up with a squad of 30+ year old journeymen. It's a worrying trend this padding out of the squad for the last 4 years.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:10 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:47 pm
If there is no-one else, then Lennon is better than Glennon.

We are short across midfield, however, we have Gudmundsson with Brownhill able to cover and Jay Rodriguez is very capable of playing wide.
Rodriguez is past his best up top. Never mind out wide.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:14 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:01 pm
You can't pad your squad out every year without also adding first team additions unless you want to end up with a squad of 30+ year old journeymen. It's a worrying trend this padding out of the squad for the last 4 years.
I’d not be surprised if the side the started today finishes the season. 😳

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:14 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:57 pm
We’ve got to start adding some value to the squad. Value for the here and now and that might return a profit down the line.
Translation:
What we need to do is sign some really good players who improve our team today and we can sell on for a profit tomorrow.


I'm amazed our scouting network and those of the other richer teams in the league haven't cottoned on to this revolutionary idea.

You'll be telling us we should score more goals than the other team next...

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:59 pm
I wouldn’t even think I could say I know him but I’ve spoken to him a good few times. I just don’t think for one second he’s the type of person who would think himself better than the club.
Once again, I said "bigger" not better.
Not many managers would publicly take on their employer the way he did.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:25 pm
Once again, I said "bigger" not better.
Not many managers would publicly take on their employer the way he did.
And he very definitely wouldn't consider him bigger than the club. You would only ever need to speak to him once to know that.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:32 pm
And he very definitely wouldn't consider him bigger than the club. You would only ever need to speak to him once to know that.
I doubt he'd have the time to speak to me, I don't move in these elevated circles to which you are accustomed :D

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:35 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:33 pm
I doubt he'd have the time to speak to me, I don't move in these elevated circles to which you are accustomed :D
If you think that then you really don't understand him

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:35 pm
If you think that then you really don't understand him
If you think otherwise you really don't understand me :D

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Post by CombatClaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:38 pm

If anyone here thinks they can do a better job at identifying players within our budget who would improve the starting XI with sell on potential but will not be poached by teams with the same data but deeper pockets. CVs to info@burnleyfc.com

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:41 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:14 pm
Translation:
What we need to do is sign some really good players who improve our team today and we can sell on for a profit tomorrow.


I'm amazed our scouting network and those of the other richer teams in the league haven't cottoned on to this revolutionary idea.

You'll be telling us we should score more goals than the other team next...
Positively dripping with sarcasm.

You can deconstruct most views to such a low denominator, should you wish to do so - something more constructive would aid debate.
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Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:43 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:38 pm
If anyone here thinks they can do a better job at identifying players within our budget who would improve the starting XI with sell on potential but will not be poached by teams with the same data but deeper pockets. CVs to info@burnleyfc.com
May as well give up now with such a weak attitude.
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CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:38 pm
If anyone here thinks they can do a better job at identifying players within our budget who would improve the starting XI with sell on potential but will not be poached by teams with the same data but deeper pockets. CVs to info@burnleyfc.com
That’s a lazy argument. There’s loads of players who would improve us who we do not target.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:44 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:41 pm
Positively dripping with sarcasm.

You can deconstruct most views to such a low denominator, should you wish to do so - something more constructive would aid debate.
Spot on.

I really don't know what some expect to find when they log on to a discussion website like this one.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:47 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:38 pm
If anyone here thinks they can do a better job at identifying players within our budget who would improve the starting XI with sell on potential but will not be poached by teams with the same data but deeper pockets. CVs to info@burnleyfc.com
But we aren’t experienced, paid millions a year and with a network of contacts.

Our lack of investment in youth and players good enough for today will one day soon catch up on us.

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Re: Re:

Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:48 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:47 pm
But we aren’t experienced, paid millions a year and with a network of contacts.

Our lack of investment in youth and players good enough for today will one day soon catch up on us.
Rubbish..

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Post by DCWat » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:54 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:48 pm
Rubbish..
:roll:

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Peter Loo » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:54 pm

I find it very hard to believe that there isn’t a young reasonably speedy winger somewhere in the Country who couldn’t do a job for us and who won’t cost a fortune.

Come to that in other positions as well, apart from Brownhill, Collins, Pope, Mee etc.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:59 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:54 pm
:roll:
He knows I'm joking.....hopefully.
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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by mill hill claret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:55 pm
Agreed.
And Garlick should have stuck him on gardening leave for that, IMO.
And that would have meant relegation

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:11 pm

Cats in the cradle and the silver spoon.

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Re: Aaron Lennon

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:26 pm

back in the 60's and earlier, there was no social media platforms, no message boards to dip into.
the season simply began and then ended. All this speculative stuff about who knows what and how is ultimately meaningless. Lets just wait and see what happens. None of us can control incomings and outgoings, we are just expected to turn up and shout loud when we score.

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:25 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:38 pm
If anyone here thinks they can do a better job at identifying players within our budget who would improve the starting XI with sell on potential but will not be poached by teams with the same data but deeper pockets. CVs to info@burnleyfc.com
Given the form on here, there could be an avalanche!

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