Why is our away support so poor ?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:30 pm

CBT wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:10 pm
Yet a couple of years ago in FA cup we took around 4k wasn't it?
Prices were £10 so that tells me the cost is the biggest factor
We sold out their away end for that cup game I think, pretty much.
The fans had a good day out, we out sung the city fans and even though we lost we still supported the team vocally throughout the game
I was at that one.
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:31 pm

Add in soulless stadiums stuck up in the gods miles from the pitch.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:59 pm

Crap views not helped my persistent standing in front of seated fans and gutless stewards afraid to enforce the nonstanding rules
The allocation of seats close to the front has been our major reason for sticking to home games as getting seats with a unrestricted view was getting harder from the ticket office at Turf Moor
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Stayingup » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:10 pm

Why is our home support so poor?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:13 pm

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:16 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:27 pm
Sadly our away support has been dwindling but by bit since we’ve been ( back) in the prem . There’s many reasons but the whole “ away day” culture just doesn’t exist like it used to .
1. The terrible BFC ( utter disgrace ) ticketing website,made ever worse by stopping selling tickets early every away match
2. The above totally kills the spontaneity and good as kills going with group of mates on the hoof.
3. Prices- the cost for young lads tends to stop them getting the bug.
4. The death of the “away day” culture . small-large groups making a day/night out of a game ,train/ mini bus/coach etc . An away day had a real “ event “ feel. The whole corporate /plastic vibe has almost neutered it due to tickets making planning bloody hard .
5. SKY/streams/daft ko times . It’s often far easier to think “ oh it’s on sky/bt or ill watch my streaming service “
All good points. I got a couple of tickets for City today, to be honest it was quite nice just deciding to go at the last minute, rather than having to make a decision 2 or 3 weeks in advance.
It might need relegation and a promotion push to improve numbers, the novelty of being in the Prem has well and truly worn off.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by burnmark » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:30 pm
We sold out their away end for that cup game I think, pretty much.
The fans had a good day out, we out sung the city fans and even though we lost we still supported the team vocally throughout the game
I was at that one.
We played them in consecutive seasons in the cup. In 2018 we took a huge following of 8-9000 and had the whole end behind the goal. The year after I think we took around 3k in the cup.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by PadihamThickNeck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:26 pm

burnmark wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm
We played them in consecutive seasons in the cup. In 2018 we took a huge following of 8-9000 and had the whole end behind the goal. The year after I think we took around 3k in the cup.
It was 7,500, I was sat in the gods. Was a really good atmosphere in the away end that day. The ticket prices helped massively in the numbers we took Im sure it was £10 ?
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:28 pm

burnmark wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm
We played them in consecutive seasons in the cup. In 2018 we took a huge following of 8-9000 and had the whole end behind the goal. The year after I think we took around 3k in the cup.

Ah I'm thinking of the earlier one then

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:20 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:20 pm
Crikey, where do I begin. I’d say almost all the early round League Cup games since he arrived. FA cup perhaps not as bad but I still seem to recall some early rounds where squad players were given a run out. I still don’t think he really went after the Europa League like he could have done. I’ve got a Spurs ticket in the League Cup because we seem to have accidentally got through, haha.
So you expect the manager to play his 1st 11 in all Cup and League Cup games? How then do the other squad players gain any experience/match tine and our 1st 11 to get any rest?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by RMutt » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:57 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:20 pm
So you expect the manager to play his 1st 11 in all Cup and League Cup games? How then do the other squad players gain any experience/match tine and our 1st 11 to get any rest?
No, I’m not suggesting he always plays his first eleven. Apart from the Europa League when I think he should have done. I understand he has to be pragmatic but then so again so do supporters who perhaps choose not to attend games they feel we are not fully going for. I think his team selections suggest he’s not really that bothered if we go out of competitions early so you can understand supporters who think ‘ We’ll if he’s not bothered, then I’m not going to either’ Why else would early cup games and for that matter this time at City be so poorly attended?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:31 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:57 pm
No, I’m not suggesting he always plays his first eleven. Apart from the Europa League when I think he should have done. I understand he has to be pragmatic but then so again so do supporters who perhaps choose not to attend games they feel we are not fully going for. I think his team selections suggest he’s not really that bothered if we go out of competitions early so you can understand supporters who think ‘ We’ll if he’s not bothered, then I’m not going to either’ Why else would early cup games and for that matter this time at City be so poorly attended?
Interested to know on just what basis you and others have formed the opinion that 'games they feel we are not fully going for. I think his team selections suggest he’s not really that bothered if we go out of competitions early'?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by RMutt » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:39 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:31 pm
Interested to know on just what basis you and others have formed the opinion that 'games they feel we are not fully going for. I think his team selections suggest he’s not really that bothered if we go out of competitions early'?
On the basis of some of the things I’ve already suggested, team selection, pragmatism, in that Premier League survival takes precedence, energy level of the tam, body language. I know all the points are debatable but they go along side my last reason and that’s my own gut instinct watching some of the games.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by SouthLondonexile » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:55 pm

How about not being able to get tickets

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:02 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:39 pm
On the basis of some of the things I’ve already suggested, team selection, pragmatism, in that Premier League survival takes precedence, energy level of the tam, body language. I know all the points are debatable but they go along side my last reason and that’s my own gut instinct wzatching some of the games.
Your points certainly are debatable and with very little actual concrete evidence to substantiate them.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by RMutt » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:07 pm

Leisure wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:02 pm
Your points certainly are debatable and with very little actual concrete evidence to substantiate them.
Well results haven’t been brilliant in the cups over the last few years. Obviously I could be way off the mark, I know you will think I am but if you’ve watched and played football for a time you do get a feel for it I think.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:15 pm

huge issue
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by PadihamThickNeck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:17 pm

SouthLondonexile wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:55 pm
How about not being able to get tickets
You can get a ticket for basically any Burnley game you want, we don’t sell out at home and we don’t sell our away …..

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Claretforever » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:42 am

This is not the main problem currently I don’t believe, but a huge factor in why our away follows dropped off was the fault of our club!

They stopped telling fans what the allocation was in order to avoid abuse for not taking enough. They still don’t do this, and communication of tickets is appalling!!! If fans don’t know the allocation they assume it’s the smaller one, which it usually was, so didn’t think they could get them. Leicester away a few years ago when we sold the smaller allocation 3 weeks before the match.

Zero communication on tickets sold as it suddenly became a sackable offence to inform fans how tickets sales were going. Again, if we don’t know then we can’t be bothered going down to the club to find out an assume a sell out. Everton away the other season is a good example of this.

Clarets Points. The system meant you may not have been able to buy at the same time as friends, though they have to have some system. Then it turned out 70% of tickets were already sold to supporters clubs, official and unofficial, before tickets even went on sale.

A lot of people gave up with it. Too much hassle.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:51 am

They do release the allocation now to be fair to them.

Was bizarre that they stopped previously though.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:00 am

Claretforever wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:42 am
This is not the main problem currently I don’t believe, but a huge factor in why our away follows dropped off was the fault of our club!

They stopped telling fans what the allocation was in order to avoid abuse for not taking enough. They still don’t do this, and communication of tickets is appalling!!! If fans don’t know the allocation they assume it’s the smaller one, which it usually was, so didn’t think they could get them. Leicester away a few years ago when we sold the smaller allocation 3 weeks before the match.

Zero communication on tickets sold as it suddenly became a sackable offence to inform fans how tickets sales were going. Again, if we don’t know then we can’t be bothered going down to the club to find out an assume a sell out. Everton away the other season is a good example of this.

Clarets Points. The system meant you may not have been able to buy at the same time as friends, though they have to have some system. Then it turned out 70% of tickets were already sold to supporters clubs, official and unofficial, before tickets even went on sale.

A lot of people gave up with it. Too much hassle.

I don't know any Burnley fans who think they couldn't previously get a ticket for a league game away. Even the vast majority of cup games tickets are easily got. 70% of tickets aren't automatically taken out of every allocation.

The big problem is nonsense like this making some think you can't get tickets. The only accurate bit is the daft policy of not disclosing the allocation but again somebody who really wants to go to an away game would never say I am not going because they haven't said how many tickets we have.
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:10 am

Is it poor now or was it just really good in the past?

Can people really afford to go to every away game these days?
Are the livelier away games what families want to attend? It's a lot bigger make up of our support than ever.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:13 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:10 am
Is it poor now or was it just really good in the past?

Can people really afford to go to every away game these days?
Are the livelier away games what families want to attend? It's a lot bigger make up of our support than ever.
The levels have now gone back to what you would expect once the novelty wears off for the floating support, they would only go back up now if we went down and then were heading for promotion then the last 5 or 6 aways would be popular and we would have multiple threads about need a new policy for selling tickets as it is impossible to get tickets

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by bfcjg » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:24 am

For me I decided a good few years ago to use money I would hitherto have spent on away games to benefit my club instead, so I decided to join the foundation and spend more on merchandising and on the Turf only going to very local away games, it is a hard habit now to change especially with the cost and what can be at times somewhat tedious football.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Claretforever » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:49 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:00 am
I don't know any Burnley fans who think they couldn't previously get a ticket for a league game away. Even the vast majority of cup games tickets are easily got. 70% of tickets aren't automatically taken out of every allocation.

The big problem is nonsense like this making some think you can't get tickets. The only accurate bit is the daft policy of not disclosing the allocation but again somebody who really wants to go to an away game would never say I am not going because they haven't said how many tickets we have.
If you read the comments about certain games it’s the mentality going back 3-4 years. And there were games you couldn’t get tickets…unless you wanted to go alone (some fans have 8,000 points and some 2,000) or were part of a supporters club. Right now you can get tickets for any game you like.

As I said though, it’s a mixture of things, not just one specific issue making people not bother.
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:49 am

15 months of no games and people get out of a routine or find other things to do

On top of that, they have to consider how they are getting there.
In current climate some people don’t want to be sat on a coach with other people that they don’t know
The supporters clubs have already said the numbers travelling with them are lower.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:58 am

Claretforever wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:42 am
Then it turned out 70% of tickets were already sold to supporters clubs, official and unofficial, before tickets even went on sale.
Really! How have you arrived at the 70%?

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:01 am

Leisure wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:58 am
Really! How have you arrived at the 70%?
If you divide the number of tickets the supporters clubs got by the total number of tickets available and then multiply by 100 it gives you the percentage of tickets taken by the supporters clubs

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:04 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:01 am
If you divide the number of tickets the supporters clubs got by the total number of tickets available and then multiply by 100 it gives you the percentage of tickets taken by the supporters clubs
Really! But then you'd need to know just how many tickets the supporters clubs got, which he/you don't! ;)

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:07 am

Leisure wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:04 am
Really! But then you'd need to know just how many tickets the supporters clubs got, which he/you don't! ;)
Dont ask me I was just helping you out with the percentage calculation :D
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by LS7 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:48 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:13 am
The levels have now gone back to what you would expect once the novelty wears off for the floating support, they would only go back up now if we went down and then were heading for promotion then the last 5 or 6 aways would be popular and we would have multiple threads about need a new policy for selling tickets as it is impossible to get tickets
Yep that’s it for me. Cup games or others with a bit of drama baked in. Having said that, I haven’t seen an away since Barnsley 2014. The smaller the following the less attractive the outing unfortunately, I’m sure many are the same. It’s great being in a massive away following for sure, Sheff U 1993, Chelsea 2008 etc.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Quicknick » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:41 am

We always had a hit or miss away following in the old days. In the 70s we could take a phenomenal following or next to no one. I remember going to Nottm Forest in our championship year. We lost three nil, our second of only two away defeats that season. We took hardly anyone that day. It was embarrassing.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by lakedistrictclaret » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:09 pm

Quicknick wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:41 am
We always had a hit or miss away following in the old days. In the 70s we could take a phenomenal following or next to no one. I remember going to Nottm Forest in our championship year. We lost three nil, our second of only two away defeats that season. We took hardly anyone that day. It was embarrassing.
We took at least two, Quicknick........I was there as well! 8-)
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Claretforever » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:18 am

Leisure wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:58 am
Really! How have you arrived at the 70%?
I made it up, and nearly put that in brackets to explain I was just making a point, but I figured most would get that as it was a round figure. Perhaps I should have used 99%. :P

Anyway, in all seriousness it was a lot. Some games many, many hundreds were already allocated before they went on sale, and to parties who’s travellers had nowhere near enough points to be getting tickets.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:05 am

Claretforever wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:18 am
I made it up, and nearly put that in brackets to explain I was just making a point, but I figured most would get that as it was a round figure. Perhaps I should have used 99%. :P

Anyway, in all seriousness it was a lot. Some games many, many hundreds were already allocated before they went on sale, and to parties who’s travellers had nowhere near enough points to be getting tickets.
Many, many hundreds! Really! That's just a fairy story!

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:12 am

Cost, have a family, takes up most of the day, would rather do something else, the risk of sitting next to two total bellends (Sheff Utd away when we lost 3-0)

I mean, it was great fun when I could ignore all the above, but that is not the case now

*to clarify the bellends comment so the uber fans don't get on my back, you are a bellend if you have a go at the fan next to you when you can barely stand up because you've drunk so much and we are 3-0 down, and we are laughing at Barnes attempts to win a foul by falling over

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:34 am

Fair play to anyone travelling to City to watch Burnley, what a brutal experience and waste of time.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:40 am

The PL pricing needs a major rework, the aim should be to sell out the stadiums no matter what. If you can sell out at £50 a ticket, go ahead. Different prices for different demand/supply.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:40 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:34 am
Fair play to anyone travelling to City to watch Burnley, what a brutal experience and waste of time.
So supporting your team is a waste of time!

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:46 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:40 am
So supporting your team is a waste of time!
Away at Man City, yes.
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:
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Away at Man City, yes.
Spoken like a true fairweather/plastic fan!
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by BigChaCha » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:28 pm

Why is our home support so poor?
It's not!... We are still way ahead per capita compared to most.

We have always punched well above our weight per head of population both home and away, especially home but that was never going to last forever, as I predicted a few years ago to other fans that are friends... There's more to life than just football these days and with many distractions, so Burnley FC is not the be-all and end-all that it used to be in the town. Our support is still impressive when you look at the size of the town. There's also the pandemic and monotonous football which hasn't helped.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:23 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:54 pm
Spoken like a true fairweather/plastic fan!
Yes real plastic.... Sorry if I'd rather go to Hartlepool away than Man City.

Edit: in a cup game of course, before someone twists it to say some weird **** like I want my team in non league.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:04 pm

I.was quite enjoying the considered opinions of various posters but I suppose it had to end. :|

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:20 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:04 pm
I.was quite enjoying the considered opinions of various posters but I suppose it had to end. :|
Silence twerp, go cry about Newcastle and how people rate Graham Potter.

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Leisure » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:23 pm
Yes real plastic.... Sorry if I'd rather go to Hartlepool away than Man City..
You could have done both! ;)

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:34 am
Fair play to anyone travelling to City to watch Burnley, what a brutal experience and waste of time.
Wow. :D
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by bf2k » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:50 pm

It was a poor away atmosphere today
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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:54 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:35 pm
You could have done both! ;)
I went Hartlepool away midweek in 2009 (maybe 2008?) never again

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Re: Why is our away support so poor ?

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:06 pm

I wouldn't read too much into it, It probably has nothing to do with our performance at all.

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