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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:32 am

Yup!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:33 pm

Dear God!!

GET OUR BEST CENTRAL MIDFIELDER INTO OUR STARTING ELEVEN!!!!!!
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:41 pm

I'd bring Westy on with him.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:59 pm

has to play, it's that simple. Westwood has been poor and Brownhill has regressed from the player we saw alongside Jack.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:29 pm

You are not kidding!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:32 pm

Can only think that Dyche doesn't think he's fit enough and he's protecting him for Brentford otherwise it's bizarre he's been dropped after that good 3 game run
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:36 pm

It’s absolutely incredible that Dyche saw fit to play Westwood ahead of Cork today.

What a horror of a decision.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by NewClaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:41 pm

Shouldn’t have been dropped. Simple as that.

Mee
Pieters
Cork
Cornet

All needed for Brentford.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:53 pm

Doubt they’ll all play but we need most

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by tiger76 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:32 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:41 pm
Shouldn’t have been dropped. Simple as that.

Mee
Pieters
Cork
Cornet

All needed for Brentford.
If all fit I'd be tempted to play all 4, that quartet started at Brighton in what was easily our most impressive display of the season.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm

No words!!!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:27 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:26 pm
No words!!!
You are one of Dyche’s biggest advocates but yet he keeps making this ridiculously bad decision to not start our best CM, that will ultimately see us down, what are your thoughts on that?

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:34 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:27 pm
You are one of Dyche’s biggest advocates but yet he keeps making this ridiculously bad decision to not start our best CM, that will ultimately see us down, what are your thoughts on that?
Yep. Big fan of Dyche but this is a blindspot in my opinion. Westwood is a clear favourite and it’s not helping!!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:45 pm

Got to agree there. I like Ashley but right now he's way off his best. His passing is really speculative and not helping

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:50 pm

Really strange Westwood is getting so much hate. There were considerably worst out there today.

Completed the most passes of our midfield today and created the most chances.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:50 pm
Really strange Westwood is getting so much hate. There were considerably worst out there today.

Completed the most passes of our midfield today and created the most chances.
Knew it was coming

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:50 pm
Really strange Westwood is getting so much hate. There were considerably worst out there today.

Completed the most passes of our midfield today and created the most chances.
I do tthi k he is but Brownhill is our better option of the two at the moment and we really need someone like Cork to add some Composure.

Not sure what chances he created. His distribution I to the box wasn't great today (he wasn't alone there)

But either way we had enough decent openings there to actually go in front but we missed them. It was kind of our season in a nutshell. Mostly on top I a close game, dint capitalise and then get hit late on to drop points

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:01 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:55 pm
I do tthi k he is but Brownhill is our better option of the two at the moment and we really need someone like Cork to add some Composure.

Not sure what chances he created. His distribution I to the box wasn't great today (he wasn't alone there)

But either way we had enough decent openings there to actually go in front but we missed them. It was kind of our season in a nutshell. Mostly on top I a close game, dint capitalise and then get hit late on to drop points
If I am honest I think all three have to play. None of them are good enough for a midfield two consistently.

I just find the abuse Westwood is getting strange especially given he was knowhere near the worst player on the pitch

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:04 pm

He was very near to being the worst player on the pitch.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:01 pm
If I am honest I think all three have to play. None of them are good enough for a midfield two consistently.

I just find the abuse Westwood is getting strange especially given he was knowhere near the worst player on the pitch
I think it’s because we played our best football recently with Cork and Brownhill, even you credited Brownhill during this period, he was very very good. Weghorst was getting balls to feet and looked good, Roberts was overlapping and linking play. That’s without mentioning our best run of form results, goals and clean sheets wise all season. Then somehow the favourite Westwood automatically gets back in, plays poorly against Leicester and Chelsea yet gets picked again today.

Most people could see todays performance coming as soon as Westwood was named in the 11. He’s been a good servant but absolutely miles off it this season. It’s no coincidence we stop playing football when he’s in.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Fretters » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:16 pm

I'm not sure I've ever criticised Dyche, but that's completely on him today. Cork/Brownhill are the combination to get us out of this, even Stan's blind man on a galloping horse would see that. Oh, and Cornet is not a striker, whereas Jay Rodriguez - who has played so well alongside WW - is.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:18 pm

Cork definitely isn't the answer to our midfield issues long term, as good as he's been for us in the past, but he is absolutely the answer for the rest of this season with the squad we've got.

There was not a single bit of nous and composure in the side today, and that's what Cork offers in abundance, even if he lacks in other areas.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:19 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:07 pm
I think it’s because we played our best football recently with Cork and Brownhill, even you credited Brownhill during this period, he was very very good. Weghorst was getting balls to feet and looked good, Roberts was overlapping and linking play. That’s without mentioning our best run of form results, goals and clean sheets wise all season. Then somehow the favourite Westwood automatically gets back in, plays poorly against Leicester and Chelsea yet gets picked again today.

Most people could see todays performance coming as soon as Westwood was named in the 11. He’s been a good servant but absolutely miles off it this season. It’s no coincidence we stop playing football when he’s in.
Yes but similarly when Cork and Brownhill started earlier in the season it resulted in back to back losses.

I think them two wins were purely down to two players having there best form in there careers (or Burnley careers) in Lennon and Brownhill.

There form has gone back to usual and we don’t look like scoring again.

Let’s be honest Cork wouldn’t have made that much difference today. It’s just a recent bit of hype and everyone jumped on board.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:22 pm

Out of our present crop of midfield players, a fit JC is head and shoulders our best. He can protect our back four playing deep and adds a dimension with short passes and interplay, dare I say it making us less predictable.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:19 pm
Yes but similarly when Cork and Brownhill started earlier in the season it resulted in back to back losses.

I think them two wins were purely down to two players having there best form in there careers (or Burnley careers) in Lennon and Brownhill.

There form has gone back to usual and we don’t look like scoring again.

Let’s be honest Cork wouldn’t have made that much difference today. It’s just a recent bit of hype and everyone jumped on board.
I think the question here is: why was he left out when he'd played so effectively on Westwood's return?
Results since suggest we may have done better with Cork than Westwood in midfield.
Cork did seem to bring out the best in Brownhill.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:19 pm
Yes but similarly when Cork and Brownhill started earlier in the season it resulted in back to back losses.

I think them two wins were purely down to two players having there best form in there careers (or Burnley careers) in Lennon and Brownhill.

There form has gone back to usual and we don’t look like scoring again.

Let’s be honest Cork wouldn’t have made that much difference today. It’s just a recent bit of hype and everyone jumped on board.
Don’t really agree. Cork and Brownhill also started at Wolves and we looked solid, kept a clean sheet. Which were the two we lost earlier in the season that you mentioned?

In recent matches you praised the Brighton then Spurs game as the ‘best midfield performances’ of the season. That’s suggesting we did something a lot different, Cork played a part in that with his experience, calmness and reading of the game, which in turn allowed Brownhill to impose himself a bit more.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:27 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:25 pm
I think the question here is: why was he left out when he'd played so effectively on Westwood's return?
Results since suggest we may have done better with Cork than Westwood in midfield.
Cork did seem to bring out the best in Brownhill.
If I remember rightly many on this board were calling for cork to be rested against Leicester.

I think it’s just people trying to find a narrative as to why keep losing games. Cork, Westwood, Brownhill regardless of who plays we are more than likely going to struggle. None of them are up to the required standard and it’s the reason we are going down. Fundamentally Dyche/pace/Garlick couldn’t address this critical area of numerous windows over the past 3 seasons and we are now reaping the rewards.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:29 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:27 pm
Don’t really agree. Cork and Brownhill also started at Wolves and we looked solid, kept a clean sheet. Which were the two we lost earlier in the season that you mentioned?

In recent matches you praised the Brighton then Spurs game as the ‘best midfield performances’ of the season. That’s suggesting we did something a lot different, Cork played a part in that with his experience, calmness and reading of the game, which in turn allowed Brownhill to impose himself a bit more.
I do think there was a big change. Lennon and Brownhill played out of there skin. There performances have both dropped off and so have results.

I actually think Cork is our best midfielder. But if I am honest I don’t think any of them are up to required standard. I don’t think Cork would have made a substantial difference day.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:29 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:27 pm
If I remember rightly many on this board were calling for cork to be rested against Leicester.

probably needed resting... but not for 3 games ;)

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:29 pm
Good point. I think we would get the best results if all three played.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:31 pm

Thought Cork’s legs had gone?

But he needs to come back in as we must find the winning formula at some point between now and the end of the season. Lowton in for Roberts is a total no-brainer too.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:29 pm
I do think there was a big change. Lennon and Brownhill played out of there skin. There performances have both dropped off and so have results.

I actually think Cork is our best midfielder. But if I am honest I don’t think any of them are up to required standard. I don’t think Cork would have made a substantial difference day.
Agree that we absolutely failed in both windows purely due to the fact we didn’t improve central midfield. The more worrying thing was that it didn’t even seem like it was a priority. Is that more Dyche than recruitment team do you think?

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:29 pm
I do think there was a big change. Lennon and Brownhill played out of there skin. There performances have both dropped off and so have results.

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Lennon has always been a bit hit and miss.
he's played some good games recently but if he had been doing that every game for Everton we couldn't have signed him for £1m

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:31 pm
Thought Cork’s legs had gone?

But he needs to come back in as we must find the winning formula at some point between now and the end of the season. Lowton in for Roberts is a total no-brainer too.
Even IF , and that's a big if , Jack's legs had gone. He's got a footballing brain and that gives you an extra yard.

We've not got Stephen Defour but Cork is a decent replacement.

Been a Dyche loyalist since he arrived. However, leaving him out today after his absence in the two previous defeats without him was a poor , poor decision.

Sorry Sean.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:43 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:35 pm
Agree that we absolutely failed in both windows purely due to the fact we didn’t improve central midfield. The more worrying thing was that it didn’t even seem like it was a priority. Is that more Dyche than recruitment team do you think?
If I am honest I think they categorically failed in both windows. they have signed players that are good footballers but I don’t think they fit into the formation or tactics.
Cornet is the best example of this, I think it’s quite clear no one knows his best position or how to get the best out of him.

Offering Bardsley a 1 year contract then a couple months later signing a Right back was another waste of limited resources.

However, I do think you might have a point regarding Dyche. I suspect Dyche thought he could 1 more season out of the 3 CMs and didn’t prioritise the position. Or perhaps he thought the likes of Mancini could of stepped up and made a few cameos if it were not for his long term injury.

All in all, I think everyone involved in recruitment needs to sit down and seriously review what went wrong over the last few windows.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:51 pm

Quite apt that this thread has been running since September as it epitomises why we have spent most of the season in the bottom three and look to be heading for relegation.

Choosing between Cork, Westwood and Brownhill to play in a Premier League teams midfield is like Snow White pondering over which of her seven dwarfs to enter in the worlds tallest man competition
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:52 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:51 pm
Quite apt that this thread has been running since September as it epitomises why we have spent most of the season in the bottom three and look to be heading for relegation.

Choosing between Cork, Westwood and Brownhill to play in a Premier League teams midfield is like Snow White pondering over which of her seven dwarfs to enter in the worlds tallest man competition
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:43 pm
If I am honest I think they categorically failed in both windows. they have signed players that are good footballers but I don’t think they fit into the formation or tactics.
Cornet is the best example of this, I think it’s quite clear no one knows his best position or how to get the best out of him.

Offering Bardsley a 1 year contract then a couple months later signing a Right back was another waste of limited resources.

However, I do think you might have a point regarding Dyche. I suspect Dyche thought he could 1 more season out of the 3 CMs and didn’t prioritise the position. Or perhaps he thought the likes of Mancini could of stepped up and made a few cameos if it were not for his long term injury.

All in all, I think everyone involved in recruitment needs to sit down and seriously review what went wrong over the last few windows.
Interesting that Dyche said they had been tracking Cornet for years. Agree though, I think he’s more of an advanced winger / inside forward type in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 style system. There’s a player there and we’ve definitely not seen the best of him. At Lyon for example he was quite high on assists each year, I can’t think of many big chances he’s even created for us. As you say, doesn’t seem to fit into a rigid Dyche 4-4-2.

Yeah agree to an extent although it’s obviously not just these past few windows, it’s been over several years that’s led to this position (the Dale Stephens season being the worst highlight).

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:51 pm
Quite apt that this thread has been running since September as it epitomises why we have spent most of the season in the bottom three and look to be heading for relegation.

Choosing between Cork, Westwood and Brownhill to play in a Premier League teams midfield is like Snow White pondering over which of her seven dwarfs to enter in the worlds tallest man competition
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:59 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:53 pm
Interesting that Dyche said they had been tracking Cornet for years. Agree though, I think he’s more of an advanced winger / inside forward type in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 style system. There’s a player there and we’ve definitely not seen the best of him. At Lyon for example he was quite high on assists each year, I can’t think of many big chances he’s even created for us. As you say, doesn’t seem to fit into a rigid Dyche 4-4-2.

Yeah agree to an extent although it’s obviously not just these past few windows, it’s been over several years that’s led to this position (the Dale Stephens season being the worst highlight).
I agree, I genuinely believe we would see a considerably better return if we moved to a midfield three and kept cornet in an advanced winger role.

We have had consistently poor windows for 3 full seasons now. I genuinely can’t think of one transfer window in that time where we have addressed the most critical areas.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by alboclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:48 pm

We've not got decent options in cm but you have to play Cork. For 1 he calms it down his use of the ball is generally progressive even when he HAS to move it sideways. He isn't box to box and has faults but he knows where to pass the ball. He doesn't lump in over the fullback without looking , he doesn't smash it over our strikers heads through to the keeper.

Nice lad, good worker that Westwood is and the fact that he's been a good signing for us over the years , he's bad....very bad with the ball . Top and bottom of it. WW and MC have know idea wtf Westwood is about to do when he has the ball.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by alboclaret » Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm

I said it as soon as I saw dyches pre match interview, he was never going to play Cork and was referring to him as "he will definitely play more football for us again"" it was almost as if the question was, is jack Cork finished? When the question really was, why the **** is Jack Cork not playing. ? Dyche is/has been great and given me some of the best times in football but I don't think I like him :shock: ....I mean I don't think I'd get on with him , sure he's great but sometimes he comes across as a arse in the interviews, I know they are boring and repetitive but it's just part of the job....my job is boring too

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm

How he doesn’t get in THAT midfield is beyond me. Absolutely crazy.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm
How he doesn’t get in THAT midfield is beyond me. Absolutely crazy.
Agreed. Utterly clueless from Dyche.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by MACCA » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm
How he doesn’t get in THAT midfield is beyond me. Absolutely crazy.
Correct

Westwood was abysmal today , but can't think of a positive contribution for months now

Perfect game for cork to sit 40-50 yards out recycling the ball, and passing it about under zero pressure

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RVclaret » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm
How he doesn’t get in THAT midfield is beyond me. Absolutely crazy.
It’s utterly mind boggling and part of the reason the manager needs to take responsibility for our relegation

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by MG70 » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:58 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm
How he doesn’t get in THAT midfield is beyond me. Absolutely crazy.
That game was crying out for him today. Brownhill and Westwood in the second half were abysmal.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:58 pm

Might get the most likes in UTC history here jdrobbo

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by claretandbluesky » Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:05 pm

Everyone identifies the weakness as midfield but it is the one area SD remains steadfast in.
Stubbornness can be a virtue, but at present it’s sending us down.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Goody1975 » Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:06 pm

We spend the majority of games expelling vital energy trying to win possession back, only to chip it back into space after three passes and that usually means giving the ball back to the opposition.

Westwood is the biggest culprit but only slightly worse than Brownhill. We have needed the calming influence of Cork, he isn't the same player he was three or four years ago but he should still be the first central midfielder on the teamsheet.

The biggest crime is dropping him after results improved with him in the side, mind boggling decision.
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