Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
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Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Who's on your shortlist to succeed him, and what's your reasons for them to be given the BFC gig. sensible replies only please.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
This should be interesting
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Fans don't pick managers.
If SD upped sticks tomorrow who would you want in?
If SD upped sticks tomorrow who would you want in?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
It's not for fans to decide and nor should it be.
I was happy that we hired Howe and sad when we hired Dyche, so what do I know?
Also, there's hardly a clamour for Dyche to be fired, is there?
I was happy that we hired Howe and sad when we hired Dyche, so what do I know?
Also, there's hardly a clamour for Dyche to be fired, is there?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Alan is the guy with the shortlist
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Have you read most tonight’s posts?duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:14 pmAlso, there's hardly a clamour for Dyche to be fired, is there?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
No, but I've read some. I'd hardly describe it as a clamour.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I've no idea, but I'm not calling for his head am I.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:09 pmFans don't pick managers.
If SD upped sticks tomorrow who would you want in?
I'm just proving it's easy to call for a manager to go, but it's a lot harder when you then have to source a replacement, the Brian Laws fiasco when Coyle jumped to Bolton illustrates precisely my point, and perhaps more worryingly who'd want to come to TM right now, our squad is short of genuine PL quality in some areas notably CM, and any gaffer that did take up the reins wouldn't be able to rectify those issues until January at the earliest, when if our slump continued it might already be too late to save our season, and no manager is going to want a PL relegation on their CV are they.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Yep, they’re angry after a shite performance, that’s all. Beat Arsenal on Saturday and all will be forgiven.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Dyche has been good for Burnley.
No-one could argue otherwise.
But every manager has a sell-by date.
Busby, Nicholson, Stein, Shankly, Revie, Clough, and hundreds of others, all had their days in the sun and then suddenly, were surplus to requirements.
Plus ça change.
No-one could argue otherwise.
But every manager has a sell-by date.
Busby, Nicholson, Stein, Shankly, Revie, Clough, and hundreds of others, all had their days in the sun and then suddenly, were surplus to requirements.
Plus ça change.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Losing and drawing games from winning positions is the main theme of tonight.
The majority of those questioning Dyche will want him to sort it out
The majority of those questioning Dyche will want him to sort it out
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Someone who can understand and optimise this squad, be pragmatic, whilst bringing in the next generation. Name I don't know but but hurry up because our squad is not up to 95 minutes, it's like a meltdown.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I don't think anyone wants Dyche to go, maybe a couple on here.
I think the ones criticising are doing so wanting us to get our act together and fast with Dyche here.
I read on here, 4 wins in 24 games, no matter how you dress it up, that isn't good nor is it a short term bad spell. I want Dyche to be more active or even more reactive, try something a little different because it can't really get much worse than it has been for a long while.
When Benitez makes that change, what stops Dyche from going 352? 3 central defenders and 3 central midfielders to crowd the middle of the pitch, force them to cross balls into Richarlison up against 3 central defenders. Or even 451.
442 isn't working and hasn't been for a long time, it works in spells, not being flexible is hurting us imo.
I think the ones criticising are doing so wanting us to get our act together and fast with Dyche here.
I read on here, 4 wins in 24 games, no matter how you dress it up, that isn't good nor is it a short term bad spell. I want Dyche to be more active or even more reactive, try something a little different because it can't really get much worse than it has been for a long while.
When Benitez makes that change, what stops Dyche from going 352? 3 central defenders and 3 central midfielders to crowd the middle of the pitch, force them to cross balls into Richarlison up against 3 central defenders. Or even 451.
442 isn't working and hasn't been for a long time, it works in spells, not being flexible is hurting us imo.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Exactly, some people are just p*ssed off tonight with the 6 minute capitulation & now some people are just making a drama & exaggerating that a massive problem exists, people will come round & realise Sean’s a good egg & it’ll sort itself out it always does.duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:17 pmNo, but I've read some. I'd hardly describe it as a clamour.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Who has signed all these players? Has it got to a point that his signings are so bad that we can't risk another manager managing them and we must continue as we are? Is that what you are really saying? That is pure insanity. Virtually unsackable because his signings are bad and only he can get the best out of them. Wow.tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:17 pmI've no idea, but I'm not calling for his head am I.
I'm just proving it's easy to call for a manager to go, but it's a lot harder when you then have to source a replacement, the Brian Laws fiasco when Coyle jumped to Bolton illustrates precisely my point, and perhaps more worryingly who'd want to come to TM right now, our squad is short of genuine PL quality in some areas notably CM, and any gaffer that did take up the reins wouldn't be able to rectify those issues until January at the earliest, when if our slump continued it might already be too late to save our season, and no manager is going to want a PL relegation on their CV are they.
Another manager may at least change the system to get the best out of the current players. Unleash the shackles some seem to be playing with.
If we lost the next 10 games where would you stand? Same squad..same principle applies. At some point enough will be enough. It may not be just yet but slowly but surely...
4 in 24. Worst home run in our history....The mood is turning.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Hes out of his depth trying to play a more open style of football.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
any Burnley fan that wants him to leave knows nothing whatsoever about this division or football in general.
that is not an opinion, its factual.
if you want rid, you are a simpleton, there is no debate to be had.
that is not an opinion, its factual.
if you want rid, you are a simpleton, there is no debate to be had.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I'm not at that point just yet..but I'm growing increasingly disillusioned by his stubbornness.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:42 pmany Burnley fan that wants him to leave knows nothing whatsoever about this division or football in general.
that is not an opinion, its factual.
if you want rid, you are a simpleton, there is no debate to be had.
What would it take for you to want rid out of interest? Just how much blind loyalty do you have?
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Come on Coyote, tell us what you really thinkWile E Coyote wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:42 pmany Burnley fan that wants him to leave knows nothing whatsoever about this division or football in general.
that is not an opinion, its factual.
if you want rid, you are a simpleton, there is no debate to be had.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Why is it factual Mr Factual give us some facts?Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:42 pmany Burnley fan that wants him to leave knows nothing whatsoever about this division or football in general.
that is not an opinion, its factual.
if you want rid, you are a simpleton, there is no debate to be had.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Bring in anyone who doesnt play hoofball
Ball to feet on the ground with attacking players either side and a quality finisher on board
Other teams around us do it
Ball to feet on the ground with attacking players either side and a quality finisher on board
Other teams around us do it
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Jesus wept there are some bedwetters who only seem to appear on these forums after a defeat .
Dyche has his faults yes no one would disagree.
Best man for the job at Burnley without any doubt.
Dyche has his faults yes no one would disagree.
Best man for the job at Burnley without any doubt.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
its not blind loyalty, its seeing my team playing at this level and it is entirely due to sean dyche.Somethingfishy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:44 pmI'm not at that point just yet..but I'm growing increasingly disillusioned by his stubbornness.
What would it take for you to want rid out of interest? Just how much blind loyalty do you have?
I was there in the dark days and it was woeful. He arrived and gave us what we all wanted, and he maintained those standards for the best part of a decade. If you only see that as blind loyalty, then I pity your life as a supporter of this club.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Of course it is blind loyalty. You are keeping a manager for his past feats and not for what he is doing at the present. That is the very definition of blind loyalty.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:49 pmits not blind loyalty, its seeing my team playing at this level and it is entirely due to sean dyche.
I was there in the dark days and it was woeful. He arrived and gave us what we all wanted, and he maintained those standards for the best part of a decade. If you only see that as blind loyalty, then I pity your life as a supporter of this club.
I ask again. What would it take for you to want rid?
Oh btw I was there at the very bottom too. That is also in the past and bears absolutely no relevance to now. No wonder the younger generation of fans laught at what they call "The Orient brigade" Totally wrapped up in what has happened to see the future. Look to what you can affect ie the future and stop looking behind you.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
just too stupid for a decent reply.Somethingfishy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:54 pmOf course it is blind loyalty. You are keeping a manager for his past feats and not for what he is doing at the present. That is the very definition of blind loyalty.
I ask again. What would it take for you to want rid?
Oh btw I was there at the very bottom too. That is also in the past and bears absolutely no relevance to now. No wonder the younger generation of fans laught at what they call "The Orient brigade" Totally wrapped up in what has happened to see the future. Look to what you can affect ie the future and stop looking behind you.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
You can't answer me can you? He is unsackable isn't he in your eyes?
Unbelievable.
BLIND LOYALTY
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Some of the things that I've read on here tonight are just crazy.
If Sean Dyche left tomorrow and a short list was then drawn up to replace him would the eventual replacement who was selected come from one of our regular posters of this message board?
What would you think if it was one of the regular posters from this message board who was given the manager's job at Burnley? You would be astounded that Alan Pace had made such a ludicrous decision.
Yet would it be such a bizaare appointment because we have many people who post on here who seem to think that they know much more about football management, tactics, players etc etc than our current boss Sean Dyche?
Even more bizaarely some of these "know it all posters" don't even go to games but do see the team play now and then on tv or on illegal streams.
You are all in the wrong jobs guys, just think of all the money you could be earning as a Premier League boss.
Whenever the next vacant managers position arises why not send in your cv's, oh and don't forget to come back on here and tell us how the interview went!
If Sean Dyche left tomorrow and a short list was then drawn up to replace him would the eventual replacement who was selected come from one of our regular posters of this message board?
What would you think if it was one of the regular posters from this message board who was given the manager's job at Burnley? You would be astounded that Alan Pace had made such a ludicrous decision.
Yet would it be such a bizaare appointment because we have many people who post on here who seem to think that they know much more about football management, tactics, players etc etc than our current boss Sean Dyche?
Even more bizaarely some of these "know it all posters" don't even go to games but do see the team play now and then on tv or on illegal streams.
You are all in the wrong jobs guys, just think of all the money you could be earning as a Premier League boss.
Whenever the next vacant managers position arises why not send in your cv's, oh and don't forget to come back on here and tell us how the interview went!
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I don't want Dyche to go but I have a couple of observations that I find baffling from his comments after the game tonight. I will add that his persistence with 4-4-2 no matter what is something I'd hoped Dyche would have grown out of.
I think the loss of Tony Loughlan was massive for us and in a bad way
I think the loss of Tony Loughlan was massive for us and in a bad way
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
May i say again that I'm not at the stage of wanting a change of manager but I am starting to wonder whether he is capable of evolving again and getting himself out of this tactical rut he has stubbornly got himself into.
I question those that think he is beyond reproach simply because of his past exploits. It may buy him more time but it doesn't mean he is irreplaceable. That is both a ridiculous and dangerous road to head down.
I just get the feeling some will back him even if he takes us back all the way down the leagues (not that he will..or be allowed to). "Well he did give us those great times in the Prem you know" Blind loyalty.
I question those that think he is beyond reproach simply because of his past exploits. It may buy him more time but it doesn't mean he is irreplaceable. That is both a ridiculous and dangerous road to head down.
I just get the feeling some will back him even if he takes us back all the way down the leagues (not that he will..or be allowed to). "Well he did give us those great times in the Prem you know" Blind loyalty.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Like an Inchy and John Ward kind of situation.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 amI don't want Dyche to go but I have a couple of observations that I find baffling from his comments after the game tonight. I will add that his persistence with 4-4-2 no matter what is something I'd hoped Dyche would have grown out of.
I think the loss of Tony Loughlan was massive for us and in a bad way
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
That Bernetez looks useful… and we were linked in the past, even if it was an April fools.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Get a 4-4-2 tatoo and send it in to the club fanzine
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
looking like it and it's a worry
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Such radical off field changes can certainly have an impact, I don't know the situation regarding Loughlan but why was he replaced permanently and not temporarily while he took time to get his hip operation. Unless of course it was Tony's decision to permanently move on, which is strange to just walk out on a PL gig. Tom Short fitness coach went, Kavanagh went, a few others too I think. Seems completely unnecessary to rock the boat with radical changes, it looks to me like budget cuts, we replaced Short with someone from BarrowVegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 amI don't want Dyche to go but I have a couple of observations that I find baffling from his comments after the game tonight. I will add that his persistence with 4-4-2 no matter what is something I'd hoped Dyche would have grown out of.
I think the loss of Tony Loughlan was massive for us and in a bad way
I think the team line up from Dyche has been baffling tbh, borderline insane and based off nothing but loyalty. I see Brady still hasn't found himself a club, yet he was playing PL football for us and deemed good enough by Dyche. There is a good number of these players who wouldn't get regular game time in the Championship RIGHT NOW (Barnes, Bardsley, Rodriguez, Long, Stephens, Lennon, Gudmundsson), I expect to be met with the ''but Rodriguez scored X amount of goals for WBA 3 years ago'' YES 3 YEARS AGO, exactly my point.
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Let me add, the decision to sell Benson for £1m looks a strange one, were we that desperate for £1m? we could've just loaned him to Barnsley for the season.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Rather than getting rid of Dyche could we appoint someone who might help him to be more proactive and make better use of the players available on the bench or even think about different systems of play rather than 4-4-2, if only to make the opposing managers wonder how we might play.....
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And you approach a manager you are trying to get to sign a new contract, and tell him you’re going to undermine his position, in a positive way how?MT03ALG wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:07 amRather than getting rid of Dyche could we appoint someone who might help him to be more proactive and make better use of the players available on the bench or even think about different systems of play rather than 4-4-2, if only to make the opposing managers wonder how we might play.....
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
wasn't good enough last year, I agree. There's nothing to say he wont be good enough after a year at Barnsley where he's doing really well currently.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
SD is irreplaceable, unfortunately it's some of the players that need to be replaced.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
We went and got him 4 or 5 new ones in summer and he doesn’t use them.Tread Warily wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:44 amSD is irreplaceable, unfortunately it's some of the players that need to be replaced.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Brian Laws, some of our specials deserve it
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:13 amAnd you approach a manager you are trying to get to sign a new contract, and tell him you’re going to undermine his position, in a positive way how?
Perhaps they differed from each other with their opinions but complemented each other. Neither undermined the other.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
No one is irreplaceable. Not to say that I know who I’d replace him with.Tread Warily wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:44 amSD is irreplaceable, unfortunately it's some of the players that need to be replaced.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
I definitely noticed that we started to play a more open style of play after the takeover. We have had some good performances, but our results have unquestionably dipped.
Someone said last night that it was Stokes attempt to evolve that cost them their place in the PL and I agree.
Where we go from here I’m not sure but we certainly need to get our defensive solidity back.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Well not one single person has provided a short list/new manager and that's not even a shock.
They've plenty to say when it comes to whinging but naff all when it comes to fixing the perceived problems.
They've plenty to say when it comes to whinging but naff all when it comes to fixing the perceived problems.
Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
There have been several times during Dyche's tenure when a small handful of posters have foolishly called for his head only to be proven wrong time and time again.
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Re: Simple question for all those who want Sean Dyche to go
Lost count the amount of times I’ve said this but that isn’t a fans job. A fan sees what is infront of them and pass judgment. How many would have appointed Dyche in 2012? Or Coyle in 2007? It’s a weak argument.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:34 amWell not one single person has provided a short list/new manager and that's not even a shock.
They've plenty to say when it comes to whinging but naff all when it comes to fixing the perceived problems.