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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 am
Well you are wrong consistently at least
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by BuryClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am

Cornet has to get on against Arsenal, at least as a sub. And you'd expect him to start against Rochdale. I can understand why Dyche didn't throw him on last night.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
Why not have a go at Barnes who was really poor last night ?

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:33 am
I get what Dyche is saying but perhaps 10 minutes at the end so we st least see him wouldn't have hurt.
I suspect that had we been three up with ten minutes to go we might well have seen a ten minute cameo appearance; but after 80 minutes last night we were already done'n'dusted and the game had turned feisty, there was no point in risking him getting injured and/or giving him that game to remember as his debut.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:03 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
That's why we employ a host of coaches.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:06 am

Froobs wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:17 am
Yes. A week in the country and a couple of training sessions and put him in

He should be fit enough to play as would any signing city would make.

Hes jus played internationally and prior to that lyon as has any other player.
SD said “ he’d had 1 session “
This isn’t some high class superstar stepping into a side of world class players . It’s a decent player stepping into a struggling side of aging hasbeens .

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:10 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
I can't disagree with that, but there are an equal and probably higher number who think he is at the very least adequate and as claretonthecoast noted, he contributed far more last night that Ashley Barnes, whom you haven't chosen to criticise?

Perhaps the early and to my mind accurate post on this thread by dandeclaret is pertinent in this instance: "...there’s a vocal minority of Burnley fans who make snap judgements on players then never relent in giving them a hard time..."

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:13 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:10 am
I can't disagree with that, but there are an equal and probably higher number who think he is at the very least adequate and as claretonthecoast noted, he contributed far more last night that Ashley Barnes, whom you haven't chosen to criticise?

Perhaps the early and to my mind accurate post on this thread by dandeclaret is pertinent in this instance: "...there’s a vocal minority of Burnley fans who make snap judgements on players then never relent in giving them a hard time..."
I gave both wood and Barnes the same rating as Brownhill in my players ratings. However the difference is both of them have proven they are good enough.

I also think it’s worth noting that strikers like Barnes and Wood will struggle when the service is so poor into them.

I appreciate the point about snap judgements but this over a 47 game period not 1 or 2 games.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:16 am

Goodclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:33 am
Couple of mentions of "patience" on here. Reading this board and social media it is quite clear this is not in the vocab of quite a few Burnley fans - every game must be a win, every player should perform at 100% every game, apparently. Some players have become s4it overnight. Dyche is now a crap manager. Kneejerk comments constantly outweigh patience and "big picture" outlook.

The detailed knowledge from some fans on Cornet and his ability to just walk in to our team is amazing. I'm being honest saying I hadn't even heard of him before we were linked to him so I'm unsure as to how anyone knows he would have done a job for us last night?
Mate, wake up. They are not kneejerk. The fact we're having these discussions alot over the last 12 months says it all. We've won 4 out of 24! We just about scraped staying up last year. Don't being so defensive. We have been patient with Dyche and everything that has happened over the last few years under Garlick, no signings policy, etc. I think we have a right to start questioning a bit more. We have made no progress over the last few years, in points, position, players, playing style, etc. The bigger picture is this, how can we improve slowly and gradually.

What makes Lennon & Cornet different? Cornet couldn't have done what Lennon did last night for the last 15 mins? He did jack so I'm sure Cornet could have jack too.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by chekhov » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:19 am

Froobs wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:54 am

Do you think he would be on the bench integrating for weeks?
Er,…about 3 days.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:22 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
I agree with with Newcastle. He's part of the problem and would never get in another Prem team. Dyche has the skill and expertise to 'fit them in' because that's what he does but as a Prem player quality Brownhill isn't that. Hopefully, last night's mistake will be a good lesson to learn.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am

Froobs wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:54 am
Imagine city spending 100 mil on a striker from south america who cant speak a word of english

Do you think he would be on the bench integrating for weeks?

No he would play the 1st game available
Yet Messi was on the bench for PSG for his debut, due to not having been there long enough.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

Dyche’s methods of integrating new players are in the style of his old mentor Brian Clough. I think I’m right in remembering how Trevor Francis (the British record transfer fee) was kept on the bench for the first few games after his arrival.

This sends a message to the player, his new teammates and to the fans. The expectations are lowered, the new man gets time to settle and the perception of “fairness” whips up enthusiasm and competitiveness within the squad.

I only expect to see Cornet eased in as a starter next Tuesday versus Rochdale.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am

I have also got to say Brownhill does not fill me with any confidence in the middle, a good runner he is but what else is there to his game?

Cork starts ahead of him every day for me, quality passer of the ball.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Froobs » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:50 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am
Yet Messi was on the bench for PSG for his debut, due to not having been there long enough.
Came on though.
And wasnt due to not being there long enough at all
Manager likely had a game plan already set out for his regulars even before signing

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am

Froobs wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:50 am
Came on though.
And wasnt due to not being there long enough at all
Manager likely had a game plan already set out for his regulars even before signing
So he wasn't there long enough to change the managers plans, you've just destroyed your own point

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Mala591 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am

Cornet has been brought in to improve our right side of midfield, he is competing with JBG and Lennon for that position. Whoever performs best in training over the next couple of weeks should be in the starting lineup.

Also - imo JBG needs to retire from international football as his fitness isn’t ‘robust’ enough to maintain both international and club football to the very high level which is now essential.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:10 pm

Remember Souness throwing his new star straight in and then straight off ten minutes later, complete with a complete loss of the Scots credibility as an astute manager? Weah’s cousin wasn’t it… he was going to be a world beater too, as a I remember.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Froobs » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:12 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am
So he wasn't there long enough to change the managers plans, you've just destroyed your own point
Dyche has used the same plan for about 5 years plus
In this instance he could have changed it up

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am
I have also got to say Brownhill does not fill me with any confidence in the middle, a good runner he is but what else is there to his game?

Cork starts ahead of him every day for me, quality passer of the ball.
But Brownhill's useful to come on when Cork's run out of steam and Brownhill may improve a bit whereas Jack Cork won't; we could all produce a long list of players whom we'd prefer to Brownhill in the line up, but other than those with fading stamina (a la Jack Cork) we can't attract them at a sensible price

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Silkyskills1 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:28 am
What was positive to say about the first half? We had plenty of the ball but did literally nothing with it.

To be fair that's not quite correct. Good opportunities to score but not.taken as well.as a.blatant penalty claim ignored.
It's a worrying time at the moment, 2 goals per game conceded already and both Brighton then Everton turning games round in a very short space of time. I personally think Dyche's obstinacy and stubbornness which has served him and us so well may well turn out to be his downfall.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:33 pm

It is no secret to get the kind of player everyone wants at Burnley have always developed from within, or by players signed in the twilight of their careers (and risk that their legs will last and not always successfully). The clubs player development was dismantled and neglected for years and now we are having to re-establish the method of production to make Burnley ready players. Progress has been made but not even fruit trees harvest grade A fruit with their first blooms.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:03 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am
Dyche’s methods of integrating new players are in the style of his old mentor Brian Clough. I think I’m right in remembering how Trevor Francis (the British record transfer fee) was kept on the bench for the first few games after his arrival.

This sends a message to the player, his new teammates and to the fans. The expectations are lowered, the new man gets time to settle and the perception of “fairness” whips up enthusiasm and competitiveness within the squad.

I only expect to see Cornet eased in as a starter next Tuesday versus Rochdale.
Cotterill did the same with Ade.... and what an impact he made when he was let off the leash!

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:48 am
I might be wrong, but football is a game of opinions. I believe there are numerous other posters that also think he isn’t premier league quality.
How is football a game of opinions?
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:15 pm

I understand giving the player time to settle in, learn the way we play and make sure he's "ready". They need to know the game plan, their role in that and also the expectations required to ensure they are trustworthy to play and not throw the balance of the game in favour of the opposition.

But when you're 3-1 down with 10 to go, why not throw caution to the wind? Why not try something different as opposed to the predictable?

Edit: Dyche's comment on him needing to learn better English is also incredibly cringe.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:21 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pm
But Brownhill's useful to come on when Cork's run out of steam and Brownhill may improve a bit whereas Jack Cork won't; we could all produce a long list of players whom we'd prefer to Brownhill in the line up, but other than those with fading stamina (a la Jack Cork) we can't attract them at a sensible price
Nothing against the guy just haven't seen him do anything memorable in all his time here apart from that Millwall goal, maybe hes not cut out for this level. Most of our midfield last night were passing to the opposition so its not just him. We need another midfielder that can go straight in and improve the team, if we have to pay good money so be it.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Murger » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:36 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am
I suspect that had we been three up with ten minutes to go we might well have seen a ten minute cameo appearance; but after 80 minutes last night we were already done'n'dusted and the game had turned feisty, there was no point in risking him getting injured and/or giving him that game to remember as his debut.
If we were 3-1 with 10 to go he definitely wouldn't have got on. He'd have still brought Lennon to keep the shape and shut up shop.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Silkyskills1 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:15 pm
I understand giving the player time to settle in, learn the way we play and make sure he's "ready". They need to know the game plan, their role in that and also the expectations required to ensure they are trustworthy to play and not throw the balance of the game in favour of the opposition.

But when you're 3-1 down with 10 to go, why not throw caution to the wind? Why not try something different as opposed to the predictable?

Edit: Dyche's comment on him needing to learn better English is also incredibly cringe.
Once Lennon appears on the field then any hope of a goal is pretty much extinguished. When he came on last night that was the white flag being waved. Cannot for the life of me see what he contributes to an already ailing system.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Spijed » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pm
Once Lennon appears on the field then any hope of a goal is pretty much extinguished. When he came on last night that was the white flag being waved. Cannot for the life of me see what he contributes to an already ailing system.
I can certainly understand using Lennon to defend a lead, say ten mins to go, but not chasing a two goal deficit
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Silkyskills1 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:55 pm

Well, he's made two brief appearances and both have been defeats.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:56 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pm
I can certainly understand using Lennon to defend a lead, say ten mins to go, but not chasing a two goal deficit
I don’t think Lennon was sent on to recover the deficit, he was sent on to steady the ship and hopefully allow others to regain their composure so they could try.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:52 pm

The reason why it was unfathomable not to give MC 20 minutes was that he is obviously fully fit and our record over the last 2 years with our subs has been worse than dreadful, in fact, probably the worst record in the history of the club, possibly in the history of any league club.

Over 42 league games since a single goal or assist from a sub. A terrible record at coming from behind too. So something has to change, and here we had the perfect chance.

I get why his English has to improve to start, and stick to a system, but where we were last night was one where we had to gamble and get attackers flying up there. Cornet could have done something, one moment, then we get a bit of luck with that set piece goal and its 3-3. I don’t recall Lennon, Vydra and Jay having many touches (they played 6 passes between them, Jay had 2 shots). We do the same thing we will get the same outcome.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm

How long will Pace allow Dyche to not use the 30m pound worth of talent he has bought him?

He's not a football man, he wasn't brought up on Brian Clough.
He's desperately raised finance with great interest payments to get players in and they've not been used.
Doesn't look good from a business point of view.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Spijed » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm

The one concern regarding the comment about his English is that it could be a while before we see him play if he's not picking up the language quickly enough.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:10 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:08 pm
How long will Pace allow Dyche to not use the 30m pound worth of talent he has bought him?

He's not a football man, he wasn't brought up on Brian Clough.
He's desperately raised finance with great interest payments to get players in and they've not been used.
Doesn't look good from a business point of view.
I can see Pace running out of patience with this approach very quickly tbh

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:10 pm
I can see Pace running out of patience with this approach very quickly tbh

I expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm
I expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat
You never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pm
You never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
After the defeat last night and with emotions running high now is surely the time for people of a similar mindset to yourself to form a group and get some sort of protest going this Saturday.

Surely there are enough of you to work on a Dyche out chant at the Arsenal game, either before, during or after ? Wouldn't that be more productive in letting the new owners new how you feel ?

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:21 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:17 pm
After the defeat last night and with emotions running high now is surely the time for people of a similar mindset to yourself to form a group and get some sort of protest going this Saturday.

Surely there are enough of you to work on a Dyche out chant at the Arsenal game, either before, during or after ? Wouldn't that be more productive in letting the new owners new how you feel ?
What people like you don't understand is that other people have different opinions, it is called a message board for a reason.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:22 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:21 pm
What people like you don't understand is that other people have different opinions, it is called a message board for a reason.
I accept that, just thought you would have the courage of your convictions, or do you want him gone only while you are on the forum ?

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:23 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:22 pm
I accept that, just thought you would have the courage of your convictions, or do you want him gone only while you are on the forum ?
Another poster with silly replies, enjoy your afternoon wanking off to a Dyche pic

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:23 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm
I expect he is a bit more level headed than the drama queens on here after a defeat
I don't if level headed is a word I would use to describe Alan Pace from his time here.

He has sacked a lot of staff in a short space.

Tore up lots of sponsorship deals and demanded more money for them.

Business driven would be how I describe him in this early stage.
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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:24 pm

I like Alan he dosen't waste time

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:24 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:23 pm
Another poster with silly replies, enjoy your afternoon wanking off to a Dyche pic
Brilliant response, not quite brave enough offline to air your views :D

Dyche out Dyche out ra ra ra (how hard was that ?)

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pm
You never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
We've had good stuff from Dyche though, or did you forget that?

Just need more of it, but they're clearly trying to move the club forwards style wise with the signing of someone like Cornet.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:28 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:24 pm
Brilliant response, not quite brave enough offline to air your views :D

Dyche out Dyche out ra ra ra (how hard was that ?)
Why don't you start a Dyche IN chant, seeing as how childish you appear to be

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:28 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:14 pm
You never know we might get a manager that can actually play some good stuff, dare to dream!
With our squad?? :lol:

I’d love us to play “ sexy “ football but we would be torn to shreds

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:29 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pm
We've had good stuff from Dyche though, or did you forget that?

Just need more of it, but they're clearly trying to move the club forwards style wise with the signing of someone like Cornet.
Hes forgotten he ever played 4-5-1

Id be very happy if he remembers at any point this season

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:34 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:28 pm
With our squad?? :lol:

I’d love us to play “ sexy “ football but we would be torn to shreds
Not sure about that, McNeil, Cornet, Vydra and Jay Rod are all capable of playing football if allowed to. Look what Bielsa has managed to do with Championship journeymen like Luke Ayling and Stuart Dallas.

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Re: Dyche comments on Cornet

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:39 pm

You're arguing on a message board.

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