Is it a secret again?

I can't see it anywhere.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:31 pm

Is it a secret again?

I can't see it anywhere.

No PL attendances are given in The Times today. Is it a new PL policy not to give them?

Leisure wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:38 pm

No PL attendances are given in The Times today. Is it a new PL policy not to give them?

No idea.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:41 pm

No idea. What did the Times attendance say?

Nothing given for any PL game.

52,698 at the Etihad

Bizarre

Leisure wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:38 pm

No PL attendances are given in The Times today. Is it a new PL policy not to give them?

No. Attendances confirmed at Newcastle (Friday), Man City & Villa.

Looked about 15k on tv but can be deceptive

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:54 pm

No. Attendances confirmed at Newcastle (Friday), Man City & Villa.

Did Everton give out the figure for our game?

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:59 pm

Did Everton give out the figure for our game?

No

I’m though I saw a figure of 18,665 doing the rounds, but I’m not sure if it’s accurate or not?

Where have all the fans gone?

Maybe its a Premier league thing to hide dwindling attendances

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:51 pm

Where have all the fans gone?

Bored of the football.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:51 pm

Where have all the fans gone?

…long time passing!

The BBC results website usually includes attendance, but I noticed earlier that was missing from yesterday. It's definitely weird.

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:55 pm

Maybe its a Premier league thing to hide dwindling attendances

Certainly clear that there is a slight drop this season.

We were there, best atmosphere for some time
Max will get bums on seats as his fame spreads

Leisure wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:38 pm

No PL attendances are given in The Times today. Is it a new PL policy not to give them?

Never had you down as reading the times Leisure

According to the official Burnley site, season ticket holders can only buy one ticket due to Covid protocols. This could be a big reason for lower attendances.

As for the original question, I don't know, but it's a bit odd.

There would have been a few hundred less on the game yesterday (myself included) due to the Pendle Pub Walk. I reckon there will have been about 3000 folk on the walk all raising money for a very worthy cause

CFS wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:20 pm

Bored of the football.

With

Local cricketer wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:32 pm

Never had you down as reading the times Leisure

Only on Sundays and the wife likes the supplements!

Leisure wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pm

Only on Sundays and the wife likes the supplements!

Used to love reading it when it was on the wall in the spoons toilets

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:35 pm

According to the official Burnley site, season ticket holders can only buy one ticket due to Covid protocols. This could be a big reason for lower attendances.

I really don't know if that is actually the case but if so I don't understand the reasoning for the limit???

Local cricketer wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:47 pm

Used to love reading it when it was on the wall in the spoons toilets

Was it torn up into smallish squares?

I think Dyche needs to do the public Pep speech, demand the fans to turn up. Delia Smith rallying call style

I think the long term problem for Burnley will be attracting a younger audience. I imagine through Covid a lot of our elderly fans probably don’t feel comfortable coming back.

Maybe it’s a new ruling as some have said. Perhaps it is as has been mentioned the ‘best league in the world’ is losing a little of its popularity. COVID, the obsession with money, the cheating and diving, any one or all of these things could be factors if attendances are dwindling. Maybe the shine is rubbing off.

This seasons PL has been excellent so far. Can imagine it will improve attendance figures if anything. It would be interesting to know the ages of people on the turf.

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:08 pm

I’m though I saw a figure of 18,665 doing the rounds, but I’m not sure if it’s accurate or not?

That was the Leeds game

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:55 pm

Maybe its a Premier league thing to hide dwindling attendances

Other clubs are announcing attendances

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:52 pm

I think the long term problem for Burnley will be attracting a younger audience. I imagine through Covid a lot of our elderly fans probably don’t feel comfortable coming back.

If you are worried about Covid you shouldn’t be going. I hardly saw anyone with a mask on this time. Less so than the last game.there’s no distancing whatsoever. I don’t go on the concourse at half time now. People think it’s just gone away but need to look at the worldometer tables. Think this will out old timers off along with the no pay on the gates. Aside from this I think people have got used to not going, found other things to do and the football isn’t exactly enticing. We don’t win or score goals. I’m struggling to keep my lad interested.

I don’t think the season ticket farce has helped. A lot didn’t know whether they were coming or going with it.

Then when it came to match days the prices have gone up substantially in some areas. It’s not just supporters coming in though, they were still appealing for sponsors for yesterday’s game on Friday.

Try finding attendances for womens football. If anyone can show me where they are i would be grateful.

Attendances are down generally, even at the really big clubs.

I’d say there’s a variety of reasons - covid fear/uncertainty, broken routines, availability of illegal streams, VAR apathy, etc.

For us, last years league position & results can’t help.

It will come back but the PL generally need to take notice and make sure the product is top drawer.

I think in other countries they don’t make a big thing of attendances. I follow a good deal of South American football, particularly Argentina, and they have never published attendances. You have to dig deep on Google to find them and even then it’s usually averages, not game figures. I believe in this country many fans use attendances to bolster their false claims of being a ‘big club’. West Ham come to mind, figures would suggest big club but nothing in their history supports that claim.

I thought about 18k on the game yesterday, but watching the highlights there looks big gaps all over.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:48 pm

I really don't know if that is actually the case but if so I don't understand the reasoning for the limit???

A friend of mine made a last minute decision to take his kids into the game. He was unable to get the 3 tickets as only he has a clarets number

I’m not sure if he bothered in the end

Something very badly wrong when people who want to attend and give their money to the club are unable to do so due to the complexities of the ticketing website

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:40 pm

I thought about 18k on the game yesterday, but watching the highlights there looks big gaps all over.

And have you seen the directors box? Almost empty again.

Alan Pace was in attendance yesterday

Tony , apart from the obvious removal of 5 Directors when the takeover happened, who else might we expect to see in the Directors box who isnt in there at present ?

I think it may be to do with the apathy now felt towards the paying spectator in the EPL. It's almost like they've decided the game doesn't need us. The game survived through lockdown with no fans, and most revenue is from TV and sponsorship. The club's at the top level are simply not interested in attendances anymore. We aren't needed.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:08 pm

Tony , apart from the obvious removal of 5 Directors when the takeover happened, who else might we expect to see in the Directors box who isnt in there at present ?

I’m not sure but it used to be full - I’m assuming some of the corporate guests sat in there.

Gareth Southgate was in there (between Alan Pace & Mike Smith) and Peter Reid was behind them as was Dave Baldwin. But there weren’t a lot of people in there.

groove wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:08 pm

I think it may be to do with the apathy now felt towards the paying spectator in the EPL. It's almost like they've decided the game doesn't need us. The game survived through lockdown with no fans, and most revenue is from TV and sponsorship. The club's at the top level are simply not interested in attendances anymore. We aren't needed.

So you’d think ticket prices would get cheaper as the money it brings in is irrelevant in the premier league.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:59 pm

And have you seen the directors box? Almost empty again.

Yes I noticed that and just to get my gripe in I also noticed in the Longside Lower where we’ve been kicked out of our seats for these extra corporate ones there was more empty ones than occupied. Think I’ll write to Mr Pace and ask for my seats back

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:16 pm

I’m not sure but it used to be full - I’m assuming some of the corporate guests sat in there.

Gareth Southgate was in there (between Alan Pace & Mike Smith) and Peter Reid was behind them as was Dave Baldwin. But there weren’t a lot of people in there.

Cheers Tony....strange given that it appears to have had yet another makeover this summer

groove wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:08 pm

I think it may be to do with the apathy now felt towards the paying spectator in the EPL. It's almost like they've decided the game doesn't need us. The game survived through lockdown with no fans, and most revenue is from TV and sponsorship. The club's at the top level are simply not interested in attendances anymore. We aren't needed.

Interesting take on the issue, and it may carry some merit, however that's a dangerous game to play, particularly for clubs where relegation is a real possibility, and quite clearly Burnley fall into that category, so IF the club does share this view, then in the event of relegation they could be in for a nasty shock.

And I can't imagine the broadcasters being too happy at banks of empty seats being screened around the globe, surely that doesn't present their product in the best light, and like it or not that's what the PL has now become a product.

Am I still leading Guess The Gate ?!