A heads up for anyone going to the Canaries for their holidays.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... arthquakes

This is the island where at some point in the future it's very possible an eruption or earthquake could see half the island slide into the ocean. There is a big crack from the last earthquake and the next big one could see a major landslide and create a tsunami big enough to inundate the east coast of the US.

Here we are... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/canary ... WCNOHVU7A/

The tsunami / US East Coast "theory" was debunked ages ago and shown to be not scientifically possible. But as the saying goes "A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots."

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:36 pm

Here we are... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/canary ... WCNOHVU7A/

I started to read it, but I got stuck at the first advert ...

I saw the Earth
From Space

Like a moth
To the flame

I never made it
To that place

My fate
Was a
Shooting star.

Fly to fuerteventura on Wednesday fingers crossed.This will be third time lucky .Already been cancelled twice for various reasons

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:39 pm

The tsunami / US East Coast "theory" was debunked ages ago and shown to be not scientifically possible. But as the saying goes "A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots."

I hate this application of that phrase. The best scientific evidence suggested it was possible. Later, after scientific advances, the best scientific evidence suggests it isn't possible. That's not a lie, that's the scientific method getting us to more accurate information.

PeterWilton wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:58 am

I hate this application of that phrase. The best scientific evidence suggested it was possible. Later, after scientific advances, the best scientific evidence suggests it isn't possible. That's not a lie, that's the scientific method getting us to more accurate information.

I disagree as the main flaw in the model that has been easily debunked was that the landslide would just drop in one go into the sea. We were well advanced enough scientifically at the time to understand the landslide would not act like this and therefore the model they created was a load of rubbish.

I've been to this lovely Island and hope it passes off without incident.

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:48 am

I've been to this lovely Island and hope it passes off without incident.

Seeing as my gas and electricity supplier is going bump, I'm thinking of going over and getting some lava to heat the house this winter.

How long will a 12" block take to go out?

And which pair of oven gloves is best for handling?

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:43 am

I disagree as the main flaw in the model that has been easily debunked was that the landslide would just drop in one go into the sea. We were well advanced enough scientifically at the time to understand the landslide would not act like this and therefore the model they created was a load of rubbish.

So you're saying that scientists decided to just lie? That they knowingly let a false conclusion go by?

PeterWilton wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:49 am

So you're saying that scientists decided to just lie? That they knowingly let a false conclusion go by?

No, the scientists will have modelled all possible scenarios which would have included this one and if the land mass did just drop into the ocean in one go then the tsunami hitting the East Coast is a possibility.

What I am saying is people took this and ignored the scientific findings on how likely this was going to happen and misrepresented it because it made for a great story and documentary.

The story went viral and eventually some scientists took the time to debunk it and put it into its real context. The problem is that once a story like this spreads it then sticks in peoples heads and no matter how many boring papers are produced to debunk it the message wont land like the exciting apocalyptic original version did.

Returning your question back on yourself are you saying that in 2001 we were not scientifically advanced enough to model how a land mass would react in terms of breaking up and dropping into the sea in relation to a volcanic eruption?

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:06 pm

No, the scientists will have modelled all possible scenarios which would have included this one and if the land mass did just drop into the ocean in one go then the tsunami hitting the East Coast is a possibility.

What I am saying is people took this and ignored the scientific findings on how likely this was going to happen and misrepresented it because it made for a great story and documentary.

The story went viral and eventually some scientists took the time to debunk it and put it into its real context. The problem is that once a story like this spreads it then sticks in peoples heads and no matter how many boring papers are produced to debunk it the message wont land like the exciting apocalyptic original version did.

Returning your question back on yourself are you saying that in 2001 we were not scientifically advanced enough to model how a land mass would react in terms of breaking up and dropping into the sea in relation to a volcanic eruption?

This is similar to the Doc who made the MMR - Autism claim that was debunked but people still believe it?

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:06 pm

No, the scientists will have modelled all possible scenarios which would have included this one and if the land mass did just drop into the ocean in one go then the tsunami hitting the East Coast is a possibility.

What I am saying is people took this and ignored the scientific findings on how likely this was going to happen and misrepresented it because it made for a great story and documentary.

The story went viral and eventually some scientists took the time to debunk it and put it into its real context. The problem is that once a story like this spreads it then sticks in peoples heads and no matter how many boring papers are produced to debunk it the message wont land like the exciting apocalyptic original version did.

Returning your question back on yourself are you saying that in 2001 we were not scientifically advanced enough to model how a land mass would react in terms of breaking up and dropping into the sea in relation to a volcanic eruption?

OK. So not scientists, then. Wires were crosses between us it seems. Probably my fault.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:39 pm

The tsunami / US East Coast "theory" was debunked ages ago and shown to be not scientifically possible. But as the saying goes "A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots."

You sure about that there are soil deposits that suggest the tsunami occurs every 125k thousand years with the Canary Islands being the source

Goalposts wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:13 pm

You sure about that there are soil deposits that suggest the tsunami occurs every 125k thousand years with the Canary Islands being the source

Based on the current scientific studies Im as sure as I can be

Just to be clear, I’m not saying it would be a mega tsunami but a 2-3m wave seems to be the consensus which is very different to the original scare story.

We fly into Gran Canaria on Thursday evening. I suspect we won’t see anything but I’ll have a look out as we descend.

I’ve heard no mention of any issues affecting aviation, as there were with the Icelandic volcano.

I think it was a Channel 5 programme that mentioned the mega tsunami. It was nothing to do with a lack of scientific knowledge at the time - they simply took one persons view, that was subsequently debunked by various others.

Typical sensationalist viewing.

Goalposts wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:18 pm

Just to be clear, I’m not saying it would be a mega tsunami but a 2-3m wave seems to be the consensus which is very different to the original scare story.

Thats a different discussion but what I was responding to was the widely but wrongly held idea that a volcanic eruption in the Canary's "could see a major landslide and create a tsunami big enough to inundate the east coast of the US".

DCWat wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:20 pm

We fly into Gran Canaria on Thursday evening. I suspect we won’t see anything but I’ll have a look out as we descend.

I’ve heard no mention of any issues affecting aviation, as there were with the Icelandic volcano.

I think it was a Channel 5 programme that mentioned the mega tsunami. It was nothing to do with a lack of scientific knowledge at the time - they simply took one persons view, that was subsequently debunked by various others.

Typical sensationalist viewing.

The normal wind direction should keep any Ash away from the other islands

TV presenter getting close up... I've stood in the crater of El Teide and looking back, the steaming crust could have been 1 cm thick.

The devastation, the size of the massive crater, one hell of a bang went off whenever.

Looking at the tsunami map of possible water travel, Heysham power station and Dungeness are in line of not just a tsunami but a tidal surge as well, as the wave is funneled into the Irish Sea and The Channel.

Now I don't want to scare anybody too much, but I've been cycling around saying 'How long to El Paso'? which is a line from a David Lynch movie.

I go to youtube and the news is from El Paso, just now and new cracks are appearing.

The last time I quoted from a movie of his for no reason, the next something happened, I can't tell you it's too much.

Thinking of booking a holiday in Austria some time soon.

I hope this is not a portent of doom, for either La Palma or myself in some way,but currently in my bedsit is this work-in-no-progress:
I've got the deck shoes on, in the room.

Keep Calm in an Earthquake and Carry On like Roobarb and Custard.

Grumps wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 pm

The normal wind direction should keep any Ash away from the other islands

Got a great view of it in the distance as we came into Las Palmas. Sun was setting with a big plume rising from the volcano in the distance.

Thus wrote Pliny...

Just checked the Internet, it started on????

9/11.

Pstotto wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:33 pm

Just checked the Internet, it started on????

9/11.

19th September, actually.

9/11 actually:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58681233

That's when the tremors caused by rising magma were first measured. Not when they started, nor when the volcano erupted.

Even if it was though it wouldn't matter because superstition is dumb.

Caecilius might agree.

Meanwhile, apparently the Earth is warping due to global warming.

You know when you press ice cubes from the back to pop them out?

It was a time of great celebration.

Dillinger was number one in the charts.

God 'n' was giving out free bags of cocaine in the Bigg Market Newcastle and the cry went out to nuke La Palma and get on with it because the live feed was getting boring to watch.

If there's a big explosion and not just a collapse into the sea, then there must also be an air tsunami too.

How the weather is at the moment that happens if it does, will determine the effects of both an air and wave tsunami.

Dungeness will then supply Kent with its rainbow water.

... And no more Kent for the next 100 years or so.

Folk won't want to cross no more, that channel safety sorted and London well there's an awful lot of carpets to clean and roads to maintain and glass window to sort and food and horrible people so the Royal Family might decide to nuke London if that scenario ever develops because as it happens, the next 1000 year dynasty might be better off just living of Skye and nuking the whole of England and getting rid of everything and everybody and the flattening of it and then nature will take its own course and folk won't be around to invade etc.

How many royals does it take to make a light bulb though and the entourage might say well I'll have that 1000 year dynasty for my own family thanks and goodbye to the Windsors.

If the gulf stream changes it's goodbye England anyway due to flood freeze thaw and total building stock collapse.

Skis, wool, hake and venison, oatmeal biscuits and mead and a bit of slate and peat and pine and for the Royals I bet that sounds an appealing 1000 year breathing space for them.

The English gone, how will that tribe of people be remembered?

... Perhaps as the warrior tribe that could extract a Harrier Jump Jet from the ground.

'Why does it always have to be lava, why not gold or something new?'

Rockford

'I hate lava.'

Caecilious Bifficus Junoir

Thinking of The Giants Footsteps in N.I. or whatever... God might start playing 'Pass the Rivet.'

They know it's not going to be anything from the molten metal layer of Earth because of gravity...

https://youtu.be/p0KRg8CiJag

Live link

11,400 watching.

... The rest of the world watching The Match.

There's a lot of torque on some of those bits behind and around the Chrysanthemum Fountain, I'm not convinced.