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Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:57 am

It is looking apparent that even after a good window we are still desperately short in CM and up front.

Would you take any of the below to help keep us up this season?

CM:
Wilshere
Ramirez (the one who played for Chelsea)
Paulinho
Bentalab
Mohammed Diame
Fernando

Striker:
Sturridge
Bony
Niasse
Andy Carroll


Obviously all of them come with a relative risk. But are any of them worth the punt

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:57 am
It is looking apparent that even after a good window we are still desperately short in CM and up front.

Would you take any of the below to help keep us up this season?

CM:
Wilshere
Ramirez (the one who played for Chelsea)
Paulinho
Bentalab
Mohammed Diame
Fernando

Striker:
Sturridge
Bony
Niasse
Andy Carroll


Obviously all of them come with a relative risk. But are any of them worth the punt
How can a good window be a good window if you fail to fulfil the positions you most desperately need?

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Andingle » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:57 am


Obviously all of them come with a relative risk. But are any of them worth the punt
Yeah worth an Irish pound defo 😏

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 am
How can a good window be a good window if you fail to fulfil the positions you most desperately need?
I think it can be classed as a good window because we signed players in needed positions. However I can understand that view.

For the record I would take a punt on Wilshere, Paulinho and Bentalab. I think all of them would improve us in the middle of the pitch.

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:09 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 am
I think it can be classed as a good window because we signed players in needed positions. However I can understand that view.

For the record I would take a punt on Wilshere, Paulinho and Bentalab. I think all of them would improve us in the middle of the pitch.
The bar wasn’t set very high on a comparison to previous windows so on that basis you can understand some people thinking the window was excellent, some good names you’ve listed btw.

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Foshiznik » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:16 am

All of those midfielders are a bit too defensive. Need a bit more going forward. Of that group though I’d probably take Paulinho. A prime Wilshere is exactly what we need. A broken Wilshere is not though.

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by tiger76 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:57 am
It is looking apparent that even after a good window we are still desperately short in CM and up front.

Would you take any of the below to help keep us up this season?

CM:
Wilshere
Ramirez (the one who played for Chelsea)
Paulinho
Bentalab
Mohammed Diame
Fernando

Striker:
Sturridge
Bony
Niasse
Andy Carroll


Obviously all of them come with a relative risk. But are any of them worth the punt
Bentaleb is one who catches my eye, still only 26, and with plenty of PL experience, and we definitely lack a physical presence in CM, so perhaps him, and maybe Bony if we can move someone like Ash Barnes on in January.

Even if we can manage to keep our heads above water this season, I'd say we need 2 new CM'S, Stephens I assume will be released, so that would leave us with Brownhill, an ageing Cork & Westwood, so despite a much improved window this time we've still got serious work to ensure we can remain competitive in the PL.

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:27 am

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:25 am
Bentaleb is one who catches my eye, still only 26, and with plenty of PL experience, and we definitely lack a physical presence in CM, so perhaps him, and maybe Bony if we can move someone like Ash Barnes on in January.

Even if we can manage to keep our heads above water this season, I'd say we need 2 new CM'S, Stephens I assume will be released, so that would leave us with Brownhill, an ageing Cork & Westwood, so despite a much improved window this time we've still got serious work to ensure we can remain competitive in the PL.
Fernando is an interesting one. 29 years old and has played 65 games for Sevilla in la Liga over the last three seasons.

Just not quite sure he fits into our set up.

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Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:39 am

Paulinho is a top player, was incredible for Barca before returning to China. He's likely demanding a fortune and he's 33 though. He signed for an Arab team and just left after 4 games.

Fernando was excellent for Porto, moved to Man City and did a job. No idea how he's performed since, he's like 35 years old tho

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:40 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:27 am
Fernando is an interesting one. 29 years old and has played 65 games for Sevilla in la Liga over the last three seasons.

Just not quite sure he fits into our set up.
Fernando is not 29, he's way older than that. He was at Man City in his 30s i think

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:41 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:39 am
Paulinho is a top player, was incredible for Barca before returning to China. He's likely demanding a fortune and he's 33 though. He signed for an Arab team and just left after 4 games.

Fernando was excellent for Porto, moved to Man City and did a job. No idea how he's performed since, he's like 35 years old tho
Fernando is 29

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:42 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:40 am
Fernando is not 29, he's way older than that. He was at Man City in his 30s i think
Sorry my mistake it is a different Fernando it’s the one from sampodoria not city

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:43 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:41 am
Fernando is 29
Are you talking about the one from Porto played in midfield with Raul Meireles? then moved to Man City?

maybe we're on about different players

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:01 am

Bentaleb looks a decent player but Bony instead of Ash Barnes😃 some folk on here really do have a wicked sense of humour

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Post by minnieclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:52 am

Sturridge. Scores goals, 3 of our strikers don’t.

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:03 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:52 am
Sturridge. Scores goals, 3 of our strikers don’t.
Carries the same injury risk as Wilshere though unfortunately

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Froobs » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:06 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:03 pm
Carries the same injury risk as Wilshere though unfortunately
Both worth a risk

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:07 pm

And he has been without a club for over a year. Fitness would be way off.

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Post by beddie » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:10 pm

If our physio's thought Wilshere could manage a game periodically I’d consider taking him on but only on a pay as you play basis.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Froobs wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:06 pm
Both worth a risk
Would you be staying the same if they failed to play a full 90 mins throughout the season and barely made a dozen appearances?

Probably not.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:12 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:07 pm
And he has been without a club for over a year. Fitness would be way off.
The match fitness would be yes, same as Bale when he went to spurs last season, took months for his body to re-adjust back to playing regularly

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Post by Froobs » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:11 pm
Would you be staying the same if they failed to play a full 90 mins throughout the season and barely made a dozen appearances?

Probably not.
Im not paying their wages

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:25 pm

Froobs wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:17 pm
Im not paying their wages
You're not paying your gambling debts either.

Where's my money cutsy?
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Post by warksclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:44 pm

Posted before saying Wilshere should not be dismissed,Get him training with us and subject to a medical offer him a 6 month contract. He would cost less than Stephens who no doubt is drawing a good wage and just cost an extra million by us not being relegated. He has only played around half a dozen matches. A fit Wilshere could be as effective as Defour was in our first season we had him

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Post by Froobs » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:55 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:44 pm
Posted before saying Wilshere should not be dismissed,Get him training with us and subject to a medical offer him a 6 month contract. He would cost less than Stephens who no doubt is drawing a good wage and just cost an extra million by us not being relegated. He has only played around half a dozen matches. A fit Wilshere could be as effective as Defour was in our first season we had him
Exactly that

Pay to play type of deal. Hes got to be better than stephens

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:02 pm

Froobs wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:55 pm
Exactly that

Pay to play type of deal. Hes got to be better than stephens
Did he not leave Bournemouth because he was unwilling to sign another pay par play deal?

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Post by Froobs » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:04 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:02 pm
Did he not leave Bournemouth because he was unwilling to sign another pay par play deal?
Not sure but does he have much choice?
Either that or he retires i think

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:10 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:44 pm
Posted before saying Wilshere should not be dismissed,Get him training with us and subject to a medical offer him a 6 month contract. He would cost less than Stephens who no doubt is drawing a good wage and just cost an extra million by us not being relegated. He has only played around half a dozen matches. A fit Wilshere could be as effective as Defour was in our first season we had him
He wasn't very effective at Bournemouth

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:17 pm

Froobs wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:04 pm
Not sure but does he have much choice?
Either that or he retires i think
You've got some brass neck cutsy. Where's my fecking money, you scumbag?

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Post by bf2k » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:11 pm

Surely there is still a class player inside Jack Wilshere, especially for a club at our level. OK he might need the right training regime and game management as well as a sponsorship deal of cotton wool from Smith & Nephew but he was once upon a time not so long ago verging on being world class.

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Post by Pickles » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:48 pm

Not seen any of them play for a while but Sturridge, Bentaleb and Wilshere are interesting options.

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Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:10 pm
He wasn't very effective at Bournemouth
I don't think that's true at all, he played alot for them after signing and looked good.

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Post by bartonscigar » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:07 pm

is it the paulinho who was at barca that went to china id take a punt on him he is an excellent player

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Post by KRBFC » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:28 pm

bartonscigar wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:07 pm
is it the paulinho who was at barca that went to china id take a punt on him he is an excellent player
Yeah, he was signed to an Arab club recently but left after 4 games.

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Post by warksclaret » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:10 pm
He wasn't very effective at Bournemouth
Neither was Joey Barton at QPR towards the end , but for me SD's greatest bit of business and a far greater risk than Wilshere. Our CM area is possibly the weakest in the PL, and not been refreshed for several years. We should not rule out someone with 34 caps for England. He who dares,wins

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Post by scamander » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:09 am

It might be worth considering why those players haven't got a club. Chances are they have had offers but want something concrete.

For example, Wilshire is unlikely to want a pay-as-you-play contract given his injuries. He'll want a 3 year deal which pays him regardless. And it won't be on low wages. He'll want a Premier League salary.

I imagine they've had offers but want the best deal they can get. Can't blame them but do we want another player taking a salary whilst being available for a few games a season?

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:32 am

warksclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:13 pm
Neither was Joey Barton at QPR towards the end , but for me SD's greatest bit of business and a far greater risk than Wilshere. Our CM area is possibly the weakest in the PL, and not been refreshed for several years. We should not rule out someone with 34 caps for England. He who dares,wins
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Barton didn't have injury issues as shown by his number of appearances prior to joining us

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Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am

Barton was also one of the best players in the Championship the season before making 27 starts in the PL before joining us. Odd comparison to Wilshere who had the first half of last season off then managed 9 starts in the Championship.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:43 am

KRBFC wrote:
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I don't think that's true at all, he played alot for them after signing and looked good.
The stats would show you're wrong.
Completed 90mins in the league just once during his 14 appearances, a total of just over 700 mins whilst there, 1 assist and 1 goal, 1 suspension.
In the league match day squad for 21 Games, started 9, subbed on 5, suspended for 1 and stayed on the bench for the rest, so out of 1890 available mins he played less than half.

Couple of appearances in the cups and playoffs, to round up his game time to 959 mins in 18 appearances.

He was so good for Bournemouth they didn't have him back and he's still without a club in mid sept....yet still people seem to think the Jack Wilshere from that Barca game is going to re-emerge after failing to do much in the championship.
Ain't ever gonna happen, he'd be an expensive gamble which wouldn't pay off.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:46 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am
Barton was also one of the best players in the Championship the season before making 27 starts in the PL before joining us. Odd comparison to Wilshere who had the first half of last season off then managed 9 starts in the Championship.
Sometimes you need to take a calculated risk. Danny Ings played 14 league games in 3 seasons for Liverpool. Southampton signed him and he made 100PL appearances, scored 46 goals then they more than got their money back-£25m sale to Villa. As I said before "who dares wins"

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:52 am

warksclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:46 am
As I said before "who dares wins"
Tell that to Derby County fans

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Darthlaw » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:03 am

scamander wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:09 am
It might be worth considering why those players haven't got a club. Chances are they have had offers but want something concrete.

For example, Wilshire is unlikely to want a pay-as-you-play contract given his injuries. He'll want a 3 year deal which pays him regardless. And it won't be on low wages. He'll want a Premier League salary.

I imagine they've had offers but want the best deal they can get. Can't blame them but do we want another player taking a salary whilst being available for a few games a season?
Must admit I can't get my head around it.

I'd like premier league wages too but I'm not going to be offered them either, so I have to take the salary on offer or nothing. Currently Jack Wilshere is earning stuff all, but probably has the reserves not to need to work a day in his life again if it came to the crunch.

The simple fact for me is if they were that confident in their own fitness, they would take a pay as you play (even at least for an initial period). Id certainly say if he wanted to come play for Burnley, I would offer him a pay as you play, which turns to a salaried contract once he played over 50% of the games in a season.

If he completed 50% of games for us, given Dyche's reluctance to chop and change, I would suggest that would be no mean feat and he's dully deserve a contract.

Other than those terms, he can carry on enjoying daytime TV, for me.

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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:06 am

Froobs wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:17 pm
Im not paying their wages
Nobody is paying them any wages at the moment

They say beggars can't be choosers, but even if they are all well off would be interesting if any of them were prepared to take a smaller wage for another chance in the game

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by Down_Rover » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:20 am

barrels and scraping are the words I would choose

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Post by KRBFC » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:07 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:43 am
The stats would show you're wrong.
Completed 90mins in the league just once during his 14 appearances, a total of just over 700 mins whilst there, 1 assist and 1 goal, 1 suspension.
In the league match day squad for 21 Games, started 9, subbed on 5, suspended for 1 and stayed on the bench for the rest, so out of 1890 available mins he played less than half.

Couple of appearances in the cups and playoffs, to round up his game time to 959 mins in 18 appearances.

He was so good for Bournemouth they didn't have him back and he's still without a club in mid sept....yet still people seem to think the Jack Wilshere from that Barca game is going to re-emerge after failing to do much in the championship.
Ain't ever gonna happen, he'd be an expensive gamble which wouldn't pay off.
I'm talking about his level of performance, not the number of appearances. I'm not surprised they subbed him on and off given the complete lack of games prior to joining midway through a season. He was there to prove his fitness and stay injury free.

I'd rather take Fernando/Paulinho off the list than Wilshere. Paulinho would've been on a fortune in China, he was the best player in that league.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:18 am

Down_Rover wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:20 am
barrels and scraping are the words I would choose
To be fair down rover two wins in 25 and 2 clean sheets in 19 usually results in barrel scraping.

This is squad is currently in a shocking position

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:37 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:07 am

I'd rather take Fernando/Paulinho off the list than Wilshere. Paulinho would've been on a fortune in China, he was the best player in that league.
Are you hoping for a Cambiasso effect?
That's what I'd be seeking tbh.
Ramires was brilliant at Chelsea and if he still had the legs and drive for a season he'd possibly be worth a punt

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:47 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:37 am
Are you hoping for a Cambiasso effect?
That's what I'd be seeking tbh.
Ramires was brilliant at Chelsea and if he still had the legs and drive for a season he'd possibly be worth a punt
Just a touch of class for a season, A former Brazilian international would potentially assist in an area we're weak in.
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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by warksclaret » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:20 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:52 am
Tell that to Derby County fans
You forgot Southampton-Ings and Walcott. Or Everton- Gray, who many on here rubbished when his name came up. Or Brighton -Wellbeck.Leeds -Bamford

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Re: Would you take a punt on any of the below free agents?

Post by LordBob » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:32 pm

Lot of names there that I expect wouldn't relish a wet winter in Burnley.

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