Batters now in cricket and not batsmen
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If you’re getting het up about this you’re living a sedate life with no other issues!
IMHO
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The only "fuss" is being caused by the easily offended brigade.
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Fantastic news is this and I welcome anything to increase equal rights.
Hopefully fine leg will be the next to go
Hopefully fine leg will be the next to go
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Third person?
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Local cricketer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:20 amFantastic news is this and I welcome anything to increase equal rights.
Hopefully fine leg will be the next to go
Also the Slips a ladies lace garment often worn underneath a dress.
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It would make sense to keep "silly point" thoughLocal cricketer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:20 amFantastic news is this and I welcome anything to increase equal rights.
Hopefully fine leg will be the next to go
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Got to have a silly point when the chinaman is bowlingclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:39 amIt would make sense to keep "silly point" though
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Local cricketer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:46 amGot to have a silly point when the chinaman is bowling
The cricketer's bible that is Wisden banned the term chinaman in 2018.
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Seems the vast majority of the offended people are the ones who seem upset at a the change itself. I couldn't care less either way myself but there aint half a load of easily offended snowflakes on here upset because some wording to a rulebook they have probably never looked at before in their life has been changed.
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It seems an obvious and simple change to me.
Much better to have one set of laws for both sexes, and as we already have fielders, and bowlers, then having "batter" rather than "batsman / batswoman" makes complete sense.
My feeling is that most young players use the term "batter" rather than "batsman" in any case, and I unconsciously describe my grandson as a promising batter not batsman, so it's a sensible MINOR update to the rules.
Nothing to get upset by here.
Much better to have one set of laws for both sexes, and as we already have fielders, and bowlers, then having "batter" rather than "batsman / batswoman" makes complete sense.
My feeling is that most young players use the term "batter" rather than "batsman" in any case, and I unconsciously describe my grandson as a promising batter not batsman, so it's a sensible MINOR update to the rules.
Nothing to get upset by here.
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TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:17 amThe only "fuss" is being caused by the easily offended brigade.
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Good idea, as mentioned it's probably come from junior cricket, there's a lot of girls playing on the same team as lads now. Only the most fragile, sensitive 'man' would have a problem with this.
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You can’t even bowl a Chinaman these days ! Though isn’t “ batter “ a bit close to “ batty” for the Windies?
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I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with this, there are plenty of girls in the junior teams and they aren't just there to make up the numbers.
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They have. All actors now no matter who wears the pants!!!claret2018 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:44 pmMakes sense. Wish they’d get rid of actress and waitress, you don’t call a female accountant an accountress do you!
Edit, not sure who “they” are but you get my point.
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Bouncers will have to go.
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Snowflakes are, generally, upset at something directed at them I think. Here its traditionalists who.might be miffed at this.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:03 amSeems the vast majority of the offended people are the ones who seem upset at a the change itself. I couldn't care less either way myself but there aint half a load of easily offended snowflakes on here upset because some wording to a rulebook they have probably never looked at before in their life has been changed.
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Yes - when it makes sense to differentiate. For jobs though an actress does the same thing as an actor - calling them all actors makes sense. Same with waitress really.
Stuff like that simply reinforces the difference for no reason and usually ends up demoting the female counterpart in some way. It's how the patriarchy works
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Would a batswoman be any less if a player than a batsman ? Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with ‘batter’ it’s just all this jumping on the PC brigade making sure nobody is offended that’s a nonsense. Soon you won’t be able to have Men’s football and Women’s football. The BBC are working towards this already in my opinion.WadingInDeeper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:56 pmI'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with this, there are plenty of girls in the junior teams and they aren't just there to make up the numbers.
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I must be just very common as I've always called a batter a batter. I've never used the term 'batsman'. Also no one has ever asked me whether I was a batsman or bowler, always 'were you a bowler or batter'.
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How do you make that out ? Why would the term actress imply inferiority to actor ? They are just terms enabling more precise description.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:46 pmYes - when it makes sense to differentiate. For jobs though an actress does the same thing as an actor - calling them all actors makes sense. Same with waitress really.
Stuff like that simply reinforces the difference for no reason and usually ends up demoting the female counterpart in some way. It's how the patriarchy works
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All part of the Globalists plot to "Build back Batter"
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When I read your posts all I see...
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For years , I'd go to the back of the front door to see if my monthly pay cheque from the Patriarchy had been delivered in the post. Never got a penny.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:46 pmYes - when it makes sense to differentiate. For jobs though an actress does the same thing as an actor - calling them all actors makes sense. Same with waitress really.
Stuff like that simply reinforces the difference for no reason and usually ends up demoting the female counterpart in some way. It's how the patriarchy works
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Yep, it’s nothing new.Untinted Glasses wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:17 pmI must be just very common as I've always called a batter a batter. I've never used the term 'batsman'. Also no one has ever asked me whether I was a batsman or bowler, always 'were you a bowler or batter'.
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Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pmWould a batswoman be any less if a player than a batsman ? Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with ‘batter’ it’s just all this jumping on the PC brigade making sure nobody is offended that’s a nonsense. Soon you won’t be able to have Men’s football and Women’s football. The BBC are working towards this already in my opinion.
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Footballers have always been called footballers not fottballmen and footballwomen. Not sure why this is any different.Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pmWould a batswoman be any less if a player than a batsman ? Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with ‘batter’ it’s just all this jumping on the PC brigade making sure nobody is offended that’s a nonsense. Soon you won’t be able to have Men’s football and Women’s football. The BBC are working towards this already in my opinion.
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I reckon we just need someone crying “sandal wearers” here.
Perhaps even “venomous” if feeling fruity.
Perhaps even “venomous” if feeling fruity.
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Sitting on the fence on this one.....but I am pretty certain that the most used word in the English language ending in man or men (plural) is ......woman. Not sure if that is PC but the alternative ...lady...seems to be going out of fashion as well
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You’ve got to be pretty thick, or intentionally missing the point, to think that this is about political correctness or preventing offence (not that either of those are bad things). This is about inclusivity and participation - and if being more thoughtful with terminology helps to encourage more young girls to play cricket then why would you have a problem with that? I mean I know the answer, but I can’t understand why anyone would feel that way.
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I'm baffled this change is causing such a stir, what's the issue with calling a batter a batter, and for any traditionalists this phrasing was used in the 18th century, so it's not a modern fad as many might believe.
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If this is aimed at me I can assure you I’m anything but thick. I am all for encouraging girls to play sport. My daughter was playing football at 4 predominantly with boys. This does boil down to PC nonsense though and climbing on the current bandwagon.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:30 pmYou’ve got to be pretty thick, or intentionally missing the point, to think that this is about political correctness or preventing offence (not that either of those are bad things). This is about inclusivity and participation - and if being more thoughtful with terminology helps to encourage more young girls to play cricket then why would you have a problem with that? I mean I know the answer, but I can’t understand why anyone would feel that way.
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I have taken the decision to continue to call them batsmen: I do hope I don't get castigated on here.
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I don't know why people seem to think that the ECB are going to ban them from saying "batsmen", I've been through the rules with a fine toothed comb and I can't find a single reference to the term!
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Vino blanco wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:24 pmI have taken the decision to continue to call them batsmen: I do hope I don't get castigated on here.
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Or it's about making cricket a game for all:
Jamie Cox, the MCC's assistant secretary for cricket and operations, said: "MCC believes in cricket being a game for all and this move recognises the changing landscape of the game in modern times."
Just depends if you want to form your view based on what the MCC or some anti-woke brainwashing propaganda has to say on the matter.
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He's already told us he's not thick so he'll be too smart to be hoodwinked by some anti-woke brainwashing propagandaTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:28 pmOr it's about making cricket a game for all:
Jamie Cox, the MCC's assistant secretary for cricket and operations, said: "MCC believes in cricket being a game for all and this move recognises the changing landscape of the game in modern times."
Just depends if you want to form your view based on what the MCC or some anti-woke brainwashing propaganda has to say on the matter.
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There's nothing wrong with saying "batter" but there's something wrong with the reasons for saying it?Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pmWould a batswoman be any less if a player than a batsman ? Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with ‘batter’ it’s just all this jumping on the PC brigade making sure nobody is offended that’s a nonsense. Soon you won’t be able to have Men’s football and Women’s football. The BBC are working towards this already in my opinion.
There's been some gold on this thread already and that's without Jakub breaking his silence.
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No one has suggested you can’t or shouldn’t. This story is about changing the words used in the laws of the game that’s all. Really not sure what the fuss is about.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:24 pmI have taken the decision to continue to call them batsmen: I do hope I don't get castigated on here.
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The first paragraph backs up my point perfectly.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:28 pmOr it's about making cricket a game for all:
Jamie Cox, the MCC's assistant secretary for cricket and operations, said: "MCC believes in cricket being a game for all and this move recognises the changing landscape of the game in modern times."
Just depends if you want to form your view based on what the MCC or some anti-woke brainwashing propaganda has to say on the matter.
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School in the morning ?
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the MCC believe that cricket is a game for all, but did little to encourage the ECB to mandate full publication of the Yorkshire racism report.
Obviously inclusive.
Obviously inclusive.
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It wasn’t aimed at you, but following your post I’d say you’re included.
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Fanny Batter!
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Its the way its gone in the West. I just wonder what will happen to the Tigress and the Lioness? Future looks bleak for them I think.
Next might LBGT for animals. Who knows. Any 'gay' four leggers down Deadwood way?
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I hate to break it to you but we've known for some time that animals can be both homosexual and bisexual. I hope this doesn't spoil the experience next time your dog is licking your feet with a little too much vigour.
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