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Problems at Fleetwood

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:38 pm

Kieran Maguire has just reported: "Fleetwood Town, whose owner Andy Pilley is in court over fraud and money laundering charges, have made losses of over £20m and owe companies controlled by Mr Pilley over £21m"

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:58 pm

I have never liked the man and the way in which he ran his businesses and am not surprised that he finds himself in this position.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:02 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:58 pm
I have never liked the man and the way in which he ran his businesses and am not surprised that he finds himself in this position.
Pretty sure anybody who has dealt with him or knows anyone who has will only be surprised it has taken this long for his antics to catch up with him.
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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:10 pm

To be honest I don't know too much about him but that's a lot of money for a League One club to be losing.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:13 pm

What is it that attracts such obnoxious business people to the Fylde coast such as Pilley and Oyston Jnr and Snr

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Marney&Mee » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:31 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:13 pm
What is it that attracts such obnoxious business people to the Fylde coast such as Pilley and Oyston Jnr and Snr
not to mention the guy at AFC Fylde. Must be something in the water

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by claretburns » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:37 pm

Didn't Pilley and David Haythornthwaite at AFC Fylde, both originally want to invest in Blackpool but the Oyston's wouldn't deal with them?

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:45 pm

Interestingly, both Pilley and Haythornthwaite are Blackpool fans who wanted to buy Blackpool FC but Oyston blocked them.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:49 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:45 pm
Interestingly, both Pilley and Haythornthwaite are Blackpool fans who wanted to buy Blackpool FC but Oyston blocked them.
Haythornthwaite was the one who wanted to move them out of Bloomfield Road and build a new stadium next to the M55.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:56 pm

Spot on Tony

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:59 pm

Just to re-enforce this, Haythornthwaites holding company is called Tangerine Holdings.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Marney&Mee » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:00 pm

which is what he did...with Kirkham & Wesham !
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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Marney&Mee » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:06 pm

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:59 pm
Just to re-enforce this, Haythornthwaites holding company is called Tangerine Holdings.
for an amusing 30 minutes, google what it's like to work for Tangerine Holdings.

That said, they've made a lot of money in the last 18 months. Pet food, feeds, vitamins etc.

During Covid, he went on record to say AFC Fylde was costing him £100k a month just to keep it ticking over

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by bfcjg » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:03 pm

I know a contractor who did some astro Turf work for Fleetwood a few years ago in order to get his final payment he had to go round with some plant and threaten to rip up what he had done.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Local cricketer » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:26 pm

Always been a dodgy character. Looks like the past is catching up with him

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Wuggawumphwumph » Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:56 am

Reliably informed the bloke has done time in the past

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:00 pm

Marney&Mee wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:00 pm
which is what he did...with Kirkham & Wesham !
Yes, that's the club he took over. Moved it and changed its name.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:28 pm

Wuggawumphwumph wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:56 am
Reliably informed the bloke has done time in the past
Clearly a chancer, if he’s been convicted for freud they take a very dim view of future damage claims, my former employer very nearly went back to prison and lost everything he had (don’t feel sorry for him he was a crook) when trying later to sue for defamation on an unrelated issue.

Top lawyer to try and make the threat appear serious but it’s a gamble for someone who has previous as a lier.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Bosscat » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:42 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:28 pm
Clearly a chancer, if he’s been convicted for freud they take a very dim view of future damage claims, my former employer very nearly went back to prison and lost everything he had (don’t feel sorry for him he was a crook) when trying later to sue for defamation on an unrelated issue.

Top lawyer to try and make the threat appear serious but it’s a gamble for someone who has previous as a lier.
I wouldn't think the Courts would be very 'Clement' with him or take the case 'Lying' down

Sorry Elwa couldn't resist
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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:30 pm

I saw a job advert for General Manager at AFC Fylde. Even if you were in this field, after reading it i don't know why you would touch it with a barge pole.

We are seeking a General Manager to work directly alongside the Director of Football. These roles currently report directly into the Chairman and will do for the foreseeable future.

"While focussed on the general day to day running of the non footballing side of the club, the main emphasis will be on the commercial aspect of the role and developing the “Fylde Brand”.

"The successful candidate must, therefore, be able to demonstrate a successful track record in a similar role within the sporting and entertainment industry.

"Football experience, although an asset, is not a requirement but a fanatical eye for detail and the ability to write and implement a detailed strategic plan is!

"This is a ”hands on role” and requires hands on leadership from the front so “delegators” and “office dwellers” please don't apply.

"If not already apparent, we are not a Premiership Club and therefore every penny and every fan has to be fought for and respected."

"You will need to be proactive in your approach to everything. We work hard at Fylde so again don't apply if you are looking for “a work life balance” or have to pick the kids up from school twice a week at 3.30.

"You will need to live close to the club and immerse yourself in the local community at all levels.

"So, if you are a winner, up for a challenge and want to be part of a very special journey, then send your CV, covering letter and salary expectations to Shannon Sullivan at the below address."

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:22 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:42 pm
I wouldn't think the Courts would be very 'Clement' with him or take the case 'Lying' down

Sorry Elwa couldn't resist
Quite alright, I was being pestered to take her indoors on an errand so rushed it. I thought autocorrect might of had fun with it, it usually does.
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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Marney&Mee » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:56 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:30 pm
I saw a job advert for General Manager at AFC Fylde. Even if you were in this field, after reading it i don't know why you would touch it with a barge pole.

We are seeking a General Manager to work directly alongside the Director of Football. These roles currently report directly into the Chairman and will do for the foreseeable future.

"While focussed on the general day to day running of the non footballing side of the club, the main emphasis will be on the commercial aspect of the role and developing the “Fylde Brand”.

"The successful candidate must, therefore, be able to demonstrate a successful track record in a similar role within the sporting and entertainment industry.

"Football experience, although an asset, is not a requirement but a fanatical eye for detail and the ability to write and implement a detailed strategic plan is!

"This is a ”hands on role” and requires hands on leadership from the front so “delegators” and “office dwellers” please don't apply.

"If not already apparent, we are not a Premiership Club and therefore every penny and every fan has to be fought for and respected."

"You will need to be proactive in your approach to everything. We work hard at Fylde so again don't apply if you are looking for “a work life balance” or have to pick the kids up from school twice a week at 3.30.

"You will need to live close to the club and immerse yourself in the local community at all levels.

"So, if you are a winner, up for a challenge and want to be part of a very special journey, then send your CV, covering letter and salary expectations to Shannon Sullivan at the below address."
They've had so much grief on social media about this HC. Staff turnover there is off the scale. There's a revolving door by the offices for good reason...

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:15 pm

Sorry BC, I'm surprised you used Clement, I would have thought Sigmund would be more familiar to you reading some of your posts. :D
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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by bfcjg » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:38 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:30 pm
I saw a job advert for General Manager at AFC Fylde. Even if you were in this field, after reading it i don't know why you would touch it with a barge pole.

We are seeking a General Manager to work directly alongside the Director of Football. These roles currently report directly into the Chairman and will do for the foreseeable future.

"While focussed on the general day to day running of the non footballing side of the club, the main emphasis will be on the commercial aspect of the role and developing the “Fylde Brand”.

"The successful candidate must, therefore, be able to demonstrate a successful track record in a similar role within the sporting and entertainment industry.

"Football experience, although an asset, is not a requirement but a fanatical eye for detail and the ability to write and implement a detailed strategic plan is!

"This is a ”hands on role” and requires hands on leadership from the front so “delegators” and “office dwellers” please don't apply.

"If not already apparent, we are not a Premiership Club and therefore every penny and every fan has to be fought for and respected."

"You will need to be proactive in your approach to everything. We work hard at Fylde so again don't apply if you are looking for “a work life balance” or have to pick the kids up from school twice a week at 3.30.

"You will need to live close to the club and immerse yourself in the local community at all levels.

"So, if you are a winner, up for a challenge and want to be part of a very special journey, then send your CV, covering letter and salary expectations to Shannon Sullivan at the below address."
That's Prince Harry out of the running.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Chobulous » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:06 am

Volvoclaret wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:59 pm
Just to re-enforce this, Haythornthwaites holding company is called Tangerine Holdings.
I wondered if that company was related to Tangerine Foods who have a history of H&S breaches. In one such case a worker was caught up in machinery and was killed. They were prosecuted and appealed the conviction but the appeal was denied on the grounds of reasonable foreseeability in 2011. They have a factory in Blackpool but it is not the same company I don’t think

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Marney&Mee » Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:19 am

Chobulous wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:06 am
I wondered if that company was related to Tangerine Foods who have a history of H&S breaches. In one such case a worker was caught up in machinery and was killed. They were prosecuted and appealed the conviction but the appeal was denied on the grounds of reasonable foreseeability in 2011. They have a factory in Blackpool but it is not the same company I don’t think
Definitely NOT the same company Chobulous. Tangerine Holdings are involved in animal feed, vitamins, supplements. VetPlus is their cash cow

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Claretitus » Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:27 pm

The animal feeds business is right across the road from the AFC Fylde stadium. It’s a tidy ground that encompasses a hotel and sports bar in the main stand. There’s also a separate function room, sports center, gym and classroom facilities. Very impressive for non-league.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by ecc » Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:24 pm

"What is it that attracts such obnoxious business people to the Fylde coast such as Pilley and Oyston Jnr and Snr"

That, I don't know but what is it that attracts such obnoxious business people to football per se?

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by Richardsbfc » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:27 am

bfcjg wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:03 pm
I know a contractor who did some astro Turf work for Fleetwood a few years ago in order to get his final payment he had to go round with some plant and threaten to rip up what he had done.
Very much doubt that happened.

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Re: Problems at Fleetwood

Post by bfcjg » Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:56 am

Richardsbfc wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:27 am
Very much doubt that happened.
It happened, the contractor in question at the time did a lot of work for football clubs.
However since you were there when the conversation took place I wonder if I misheard him.

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