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Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:30 am
by Iloveyoubrady
I see a lot of posters berating brownhill. He’s not perfect by any stretch but I like his energy and ability to win the ball back. Has done some good attacking work recently as well. He’s a good runner and links up well if he has options. Especially at his age I’d much rather browny than Jeff.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:36 am
by Newcastleclaret93
It’s a difficult one as they are relatively similar. They both depend on there physical attributes rather than there technical ability.
Right now I would say Hendrick has proven he is capable of a lot more than Brownhill in the premier league. So Hendrick would be my preference.
If I’m honest I’m not sure who I would rather start out of Stephens and Brownhill.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 am
by Boss Hogg
Jury still out for me. I don’t think he’s as good on the ball currently. There’s no doubting his work ethic and off the ball work but that not really enough. Think Hendrick just lacked the confidence sometimes and often when near goal. I can’t see any goal threat/creativity from Brownhill even though that’s not his main job. I can see why Dyche played him at the weekend though with what was otherwise quite an attacking line up.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 am
by bfcjg
Different. Brownhill has a better engine, Hendrick more class.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:49 am
by Dark Cloud
Very similar players imo as said and actually worth a lot to us even though not to most other PL teams because of the way we play. Both need to play to the very limit of their ability every second they are on the field to cut it at PL level and use their physicality, work rate and the team around them to the max or they become exposed. Hendrick probably edges it for me just now because he did score goals and some were absolutely vital and Brownhill hasn't and doesn't really look like he will.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 am
by Quickenthetempo
Brownhill would be great in a 3 as he his very good at retrieving the ball and the other 2 could do the passing.
In a 2 neither are good enough as all round CMs.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:02 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Jeff only scored 9 goals in his time here though.
He also played a large amount of time further forwards than Brownhill.
They're different players to me, both with good engines, but tasked with doing different things.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:03 am
by ClaretLoup
One difference is that Jeff used to chip in with 2/3 goals per season. He scored some crackers as well e.g. at home to Bournemouth and away to Chelsea.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:05 am
by CleggHall
Hendrick is not getting a sniff at Newcastle but his bank account is full to overflowing!
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:09 am
by TsarBomba
It’s frankly a thankless task being a CM at Burnley.
Always outnumbered by the opposition during a game.
And slated by people, who after 8 years of seeing us play 4-4-2, still haven’t fathomed how we play, and what to expect from our CM’s.
Leave Brownhill be.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:11 am
by warksclaret
Hendrick is the better footballer and was our best scoring CM likely to get you key points on the board. Think Josh is possibly a better team player and more suited to the way we play and the current situation we find ourselves in
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:20 am
by CaptainKirk
I'm better than Hendrick
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:21 am
by bobinho
Brownhill.
He has a future, and can develop further.
But the most important factor for me is this… Brownhill plays for us, Jeff doesn’t.
I sincerely hope Josh doesn’t become the whipping boy, He’s a good player, but like almost ALL our players, parts of his game are limited. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be playing for us.
I’m glad SD puts us together like he does, he sees the sum of the parts as opposed to how good an individual is in isolation. Most of us don’t see that…. I suppose that’s why he gets £millions.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:27 am
by jrgbfc
I don't think there's much in it tbh. Brownhill still has time to improve though.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:39 am
by Quickenthetempo
TsarBomba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:09 am
It’s frankly a thankless task being a CM at Burnley.
Always outnumbered by the opposition during a game.
And slated by people, who after 8 years of seeing us play 4-4-2, still haven’t fathomed how we play, and what to expect from our CM’s.
Leave Brownhill be.
I agree with you to a certain extent but Brownhill has given the ball away far too easy for 5 yard passes not under pressure recently. Schoolboy stuff.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:49 am
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Nowhere near Hendrick's level at the momment despite the boo boys. You don't know what you got till its gone!
When he scores a goal like Hendrick did against Bournemouth he will have reached that level.
Doesn't look up to the task in centre mid presently for me.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:49 am
by cblantfanclub
Yes
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:51 am
by Im_not_Robbie_Blake
SO much better!
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:56 am
by IWOODLOVETT
Too early to judge.
JH played 139 games for us and was used in a variety of positions. In a high number of games he was used in an advanced role behind a target striker and he scored 10 goals in 4 seasons ( ie. 2.5 goals / season ).
JB has played approx 150 games for us and is used largely as a spoiler in midfield to break up play. He has scored 1 goal in 1.5 seasons.
In my opinion there is a lot more to come from Brownhill who is keeping Jack Cork out of his preferred position, which is something JH couldn’t do. Let’s see how good Brownhill is after another season or two for an accurate comparison.
Unfortunately both players have been targeted by the boo boys and cyber warriors. This certainly affected Jeff Hendrick’s confidence and prompted his refusal to sign a contract extension. Let’s hope that this doesn’t happen to Josh.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:04 pm
by Stayingup
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 am
Jury still out for me. I don’t think he’s as good on the ball currently. There’s no doubting his work ethic and off the ball work but that not really enough. Think Hendrick just lacked the confidence sometimes and often when near goal. I can’t see any goal threat/creativity from Brownhill even though that’s not his main job. I can see why Dyche played him at the weekend though with what was otherwise quite an attacking line up.
You can't see any goal threat because SD does not allow him to play the attacking game he wants to play. Simple as that really.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:04 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:56 am
Too early to judge.
JH played 139 games for us and was used in a variety of positions. In a high number of games he was used in an advanced role behind a target striker and he scored 10 goals in 4 seasons ( ie. 2.5 goals / season ).
JB has played approx 150 games for us and is used largely as a spoiler in midfield to break up play. He has scored 1 goal in 1.5 seasons.
In my opinion there is a lot more to come from Brownhill who is keeping Jack Cork out of his preferred position, which is something JH couldn’t do. Let’s see how good Brownhill is after another season or two for an accurate comparison.
Unfortunately both players have been targeted by the boo boys and cyber warriors. This certainly affected Jeff Hendrick’s confidence and prompted his refusal to sign a contract extension. Let’s hope that this doesn’t happen to Josh.
Josh has only played 49 games for us not 150. Typo IWOODLOVETT?
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:05 pm
by Quickenthetempo
IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:56 am
Too early to judge.
JH played 139 games for us and was used in a variety of positions. In a high number of games he was used in an advanced role behind a target striker and he scored 10 goals in 4 seasons ( ie. 2.5 goals / season ).
JB has played approx 150 games for us and is used largely as a spoiler in midfield to break up play. He has scored 1 goal in 1.5 seasons.
In my opinion there is a lot more to come from Brownhill who is keeping Jack Cork out of his preferred position, which is something JH couldn’t do. Let’s see how good Brownhill is after another season or two for an accurate comparison.
Unfortunately both players have been targeted by the boo boys and cyber warriors. This certainly affected Jeff Hendrick’s confidence and prompted his refusal to sign a contract extension. Let’s hope that this doesn’t happen to Josh.
Where are these boo boys? Are you suggesting he has been booed while playing for Burnley?
Discussing players strengths and weaknesses or comparing them to others on a fans messageboard is far from being a boo boy.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:11 pm
by Iloveyoubrady
Interesting replies. I think brownhill is a better centre midfielder than Jeff because he wins the ball back so much and can do the simple stuff well. Also at his age he can improve a lot. We have also seen that brownhills qualities are seen by other premier league clubs as there has been interest in the summer. That never happened with JH. Kante isn’t the best on the ball, but has had a brilliant career at the very top level from doing what JB does.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:32 pm
by IWOODLOVETT
Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:04 pm
Josh has only played 49 games for us not 150. Typo IWOODLOVETT?
Oops - yes that was my point. Thanks for the correction
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:35 pm
by Vino blanco
Who’s Hendrick?
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:41 pm
by Targetman
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:49 am
Nowhere near Hendrick's level at the momment despite the boo boys. You don't know what you got till its gone!
When he scores a goal like Hendrick did against Bournemouth he will have reached that level.
Doesn't look up to the task in centre mid presently for me.
Do you ever post anything positive?
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:44 pm
by IWOODLOVETT
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:05 pm
Where are these boo boys? Are you suggesting he has been booed while playing for Burnley?
Discussing players strengths and weaknesses or comparing them to others on a fans messageboard is far from being a boo boy.
Yes, you’re right to point this out because Brownhill’s games have been largely without crowds.
However there is no doubt that Jeff Hendrick was targeted by some sections of our “fans” and it was a big reason why he obviously wanted to leave. If you read this board regularly you will see some abusive and unfair criticism of Brownhill by some posters, which I hope doesn’t start to happen on match days.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:45 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Targetman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Do you ever post anything positive?
Yep
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:47 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:04 pm
Josh has only played 49 games for us not 150. Typo IWOODLOVETT?
He also hasn’t scored a goal in the league. I believe it is 1 assist in 49 league appearances.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:49 pm
by RVclaret
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:47 pm
He also hasn’t scored a goal in the league. I believe it is 1 assist in 49 league appearances.
Don’t think Cork has scored a goal in the league for us - can’t remember one anyway! And can’t think of a time he got an assist either. Perhaps it’s the role that Dyche specifically asks of them both?
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:52 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:49 pm
Don’t think Cork has scored a goal in the league for us - can’t remember one anyway! And can’t think of a time he got an assist either. Perhaps it’s the role that Dyche specifically asks of them both?
Jack Cork - 3 goals 3 assists in 123 games. A goal contribution every 20.5 games.
Brownhill - 1 assist in 49 games. A goal contribution every 49 games.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:53 pm
by Bosscat
RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:49 pm
Don’t think Cork has scored a goal in the league for us - can’t remember one anyway! And can’t think of a time he got an assist either. Perhaps it’s the role that Dyche specifically asks of them both?
Stats say he has 3 PL goals for Burnley ...
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Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:53 pm
by Boss Hogg
Cork has scored in the league for us ( a few times).
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:54 pm
by Quickenthetempo
IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:44 pm
Yes, you’re right to point this out because Brownhill’s games have been largely without crowds.
However there is no doubt that Jeff Hendrick was targeted by some sections of our “fans” and it was a big reason why he obviously wanted to leave. If you read this board regularly you will see some abusive and unfair criticism of Brownhill by some posters, which I hope doesn’t start to happen on match days.
I've never heard any booing of either Hendrick or Brownhill on the Turf or away games.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:05 pm
by Iloveyoubrady
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:54 pm
I've never heard any booing of either Hendrick or Brownhill on the Turf or away games.
Hendrick always got loads of groans if he made any sort of mistake. Brownhill has been well received in comparison.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:06 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Stick the light on and the moths can't resist
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm
by Dark Cloud
Cork scored at least once for us in the PL way back under Laws. (V Spurs home?)
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:55 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Cork is the all round better footballer for me but he doesn't run around as much ill give you that.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:21 pm
by Leisure
bobinho wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:21 am
Brownhill.
He has a future, and can develop further.
But the most important factor for me is this… Brownhill plays for us, Jeff doesn’t.
Fully agree.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:47 pm
by Vegas Claret
Brownhill needs to sharpen his passing, sometimes even simple passes are poor which at this level can kill you. I agree with GodIsADeeJay, they are two different types of players. Neither of them are John Deary !
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm
by ClaretTony
RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:49 pm
Don’t think Cork has scored a goal in the league for us - can’t remember one anyway! And can’t think of a time he got an assist either. Perhaps it’s the role that Dyche specifically asks of them both?
Cork doesn't score many but he has four Premier League goals for us
All listed at
https://www.uptheclarets.com/premier-league-goalscorers
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:43 pm
by Leisure
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:47 pm
Brownhill needs to sharpen his passing, sometimes even simple passes are poor which at this level can kill you. I agree with GodIsADeeJay, they are two different types of players. Neither of them are John Deary !
Or Dean Marney, Dean Marney!
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:48 pm
by RVclaret
Thanks, hasn’t scored for 3 years so I’d almost forgot.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:08 pm
by ClaretTony
RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:48 pm
Thanks, hasn’t scored for 3 years so I’d almost forgot.
I didn't realise it had gone three years until I looked it up
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:51 pm
by IWOODLOVETT
Leisure wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:43 pm
Or Dean Marney, Dean Marney!
Deano only scored 1 goal in his last 4 seasons with us (one in the Championship) - playing a similar role as is being asked of Brownhill.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:57 pm
by elwaclaret
Leisure wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:43 pm
Or Dean Marney, Dean Marney!
Dean Marney was a scapegoat himself until injury robbed us of him, then many finally realised what he actually did in the team. I suspect Brownhill will be much the same.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:06 pm
by Conroy92
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:49 am
Nowhere near Hendrick's level at the momment despite the boo boys. You don't know what you got till its gone!
When he scores a goal like Hendrick did against Bournemouth he will have reached that level.
Doesn't look up to the task in centre mid presently for me.
Hmmm, not sure about this. Hendrick maybe showed more technical ability at times and chipped in with a few goals but Brownhill is showing he's a stronger ball winner and intercepter. They have been deployed in different roles so it's difficult to say which one is better.
That being said I think Brownhill fits "the system" better than Hendrick did, likely why we never really saw Jeff in a CM role, mainly deployed as an AMC or pushed right). Jeff did ok for us and I wouldn't have been adverse to him signing a new deal however the fact he was played out of position frequently with us suggests to me we have a more suited player to the role now. It's quite hard to imagine a two man midfield of Westwood/Hendrick or Hendrick/Cork being better than what we have now.
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:08 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:51 pm
Deano only scored 1 goal in his last 4 seasons with us (one in the Championship) - playing a similar role as is being asked of Brownhill.
Dean Marney - 1 goal and 2 assists in 41 games in the premier league. A goal contribution every 13.6 games
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:10 pm
by Leisure
IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:51 pm
Deano only scored 1 goal in his last 4 seasons with us (one in the Championship) - playing a similar role as is being asked of Brownhill.
I wasn't referring to his goalscoring prowess. There's more to being a good footballer than scoring goals (although it does help!)
Re: Is Brownhill better than Hendrick?
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:10 pm
by boatshed bill
Not much between them, I'd say Hendrick due to greater versatility.
