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Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:41 am

Any updates on Vyds and Cornet? Do we know when we will find out any news?

Those 2 will be vital at the weekend.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Grumps » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:43 am

Just off to measure my piece of string
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by kazza » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:46 am

I'd be extremely surprised if Cornet is even in the squad for the weekend.
Vydra would be perfect vs Norwich though so fingers crossed.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 am

kazza wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:46 am
I'd be extremely surprised if Cornet is even in the squad for the weekend.
Vydra would be perfect vs Norwich though so fingers crossed.
All depends what the injuries are, possibly just precautionary. Fingers crossed.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 am

Hate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:48 am

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 am
Hate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
surely that can only have helped him to adapt, the Rochdale game was considerably slower than the Leicester game, which was played at 100mph from the very start. The Prem is so quick.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:54 am

burnley007 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:48 am
surely that can only have helped him to adapt, the Rochdale game was considerably slower than the Leicester game, which was played at 100mph from the very start. The Prem is so quick.
Vydra pulled up as well, something is wrong, either were overtraining or not preparing right. Were only 6 games in.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:56 am

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:54 am
Vydra pulled up as well, something is wrong, either were overtraining or not preparing right. Were only 6 games in.
I'm sure there's plenty analysis going on at the club, hopefully!

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:10 pm

Can't imagine Cornet will be anywhere near the Norwich game but at least after that there's an international break and City away (which we can probably almost write off, let's be honest) - hopefully he's back for the important games against Southampton and Brentford.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:22 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:10 pm
Can't imagine Cornet will be anywhere near the Norwich game but at least after that there's an international break and City away (which we can probably almost write off, let's be honest) - hopefully he's back for the important games against Southampton and Brentford.
I'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by claretandy » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:26 pm

Didn't vyds get a kick in the back ?

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:30 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 am
Hate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
I thought he got injured against Leicester?

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:31 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:30 pm
I thought he got injured against Leicester?
Check my posts

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:07 pm

What about Jay ??

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by kazza » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:01 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:22 pm
I'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.

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Valid point! :D

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:25 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:22 pm
I'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.

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Let's hope so!

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:41 pm

Jay's done his hamstring to an extent he'll be out a little while
Vydra was knackered and something happened with his back, I expect him to play at the weekend
Cornet is a tweak, his hamstring didn't go fully otherwise he wouldn't have walked all the way around the pitch and then over to the away end at full time (same as Vydra did) - I expect he'll be out at the weekend

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:43 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:41 pm
Jay's done his hamstring to an extent he'll be out a little while
Vydra was knackered and something happened with his back, I expect him to play at the weekend
Cornet is a tweak, his hamstring didn't go fully otherwise he wouldn't have walked all the way around the pitch and then over to the away end at full time (same as Vydra did) - I expect he'll be out at the weekend
cheers. I'm expecting "touch and go"...

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by dsr » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:11 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 am
Hate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
You've got a double "I told you so" actually. You complained when Cornet didn't play against Everton and you said he should, and you complained when Cornet did play against Rochdale when you said he shouldn't. If only he had played more minutes in the PL and less in the League Cup, his hamstring might have been entirely different v. Leicester.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Taffy on the wing » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:28 pm

A lot of Monday morning Quarterbacking going on here.

As for Vydra.....Westergaard deliberately kneed him in the back.....revenge for the torrid time he'd had all game. He clearly meant to hurt him, just hope it's not a Rib.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:51 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:11 pm
You've got a double "I told you so" actually. You complained when Cornet didn't play against Everton and you said he should, and you complained when Cornet did play against Rochdale when you said he shouldn't. If only he had played more minutes in the PL and less in the League Cup, his hamstring might have been entirely different v. Leicester.
Im glad someone has been paying attention, good work dsr :D

Fantastic goal though looking forward to seeing at lot more of Cornet, 3 more players of his ilk and relegation worries will be a distant menory.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:31 pm
Check my posts
Just checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by kazza » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:46 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pm
Just checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.
:D

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:49 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pm
Just checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.
Your not looking hard enough to coin a phrase, pretty sure i predicted he would get injured if he played against Rochdale, so one half later isn't too bad , mystic Meg still in a job like but only just!

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:19 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:49 pm
Your not looking hard enough to coin a phrase, pretty sure i predicted he would get injured if he played against Rochdale, so one half later isn't too bad , mystic Meg still in a job like but only just!
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:12 am

I'm guessing we won't have a clue until the teams are announced on Saturday.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:19 am

burnley007 wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:12 am
I'm guessing we won't have a clue until the teams are announced on Saturday.
Dyche will have an interview on Thursday

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Yeovil1951 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pm

Just been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Down_Rover » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:06 pm

Yeovil1951 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pm
Just been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
but long just played 90 minutes for u23

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:07 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:06 pm
but long just played 90 minutes for u23
And Roberts has been called upto the Wales squad

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by AfloatinClaret » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:20 pm

Yeovil1951 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pm
Just been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
I accept that we bought Roberts already carrying/recovering from an injury, but has Stephens ever been fit since he arrived?

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:31 pm

Yeovil1951 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pm
Just been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
How reliable a source is that though? Surely they can only use information that is in the public domain or make guesses.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by tiger76 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:43 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:20 pm
I accept that we bought Roberts already carrying/recovering from an injury, but has Stephens ever been fit since he arrived?
Stephens was on our bench a lot last season, more than I thought before checking the stats, but he rarely started , 3 PL starts in total last season, and he only completed one 90 minutes at home to Southampton.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:19 pm

Looks promising for Vydra, less so for Cornet.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:47 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:19 pm
Looks promising for Vydra, less so for Cornet.
What does?

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:47 pm
What does?
Never mind I’ve seen now. Looks as though they don’t know and are also waiting for dyche tomorrow. I just hope vyds is fit as I don’t want to watch another 70+ of Barnes bundling around.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:59 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:19 pm
Looks promising for Vydra, less so for Cornet.
Even the slightest of hamstring strains take a couple of weeks to heal up so it's likely Maxwel Cornet will return v Southampton at the earliest.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by ecc » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:40 pm

I would love to be wrong but doubt very much Max will feature on Saturday. He should then stay at TM during the international break. We just cannot afford to take risks.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by tiger76 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:04 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 pm
Never mind I’ve seen now. Looks as though they don’t know and are also waiting for dyche tomorrow. I just hope vyds is fit as I don’t want to watch another 70+ of Barnes bundling around.
We can probably manage without Cornet, but Vydra would be a big miss for the Norwich game, especially with Jay Rod side-lined for a few weeks by all accounts, and like you I despair of Barnes playing up top again, he offers nothing these days, no goal threat, no pace to trouble defenders, and he rarely even wins free-kicks now, and it was noticeable how we immediately reverted to playing it long once he was introduced on Saturday.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by burnley007 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Please not Barnes again, he just looks lost. Loved him a couple of years ago, but he's a long way off being a Premier League player now unfortunately.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by tiger76 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:15 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:05 pm
Please not Barnes again, he just looks lost. Loved him a couple of years ago, but he's a long way off being a Premier League player now unfortunately.
Barnes needs to try and get a Championship club in January if he can, he'd still be a handful at that level, but sadly his PL days are long behind him now.

He's enjoyed a decent Burnley career, but as with Vokes before him, now is the time for him to move on, best for him, and best for the club, otherwise his Burnley legacy is in danger of being tarnished, and after all the service, goals and memories he's provided that would be a sad ending to the best chapter of his entire career, and he doesn't deserve that.
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:43 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:15 pm
Barnes needs to try and get a Championship club in January if he can, he'd still be a handful at that level, but sadly his PL days are long behind him now.

He's enjoyed a decent Burnley career, but as with Vokes before him, now is the time for him to move on, best for him, and best for the club, otherwise his Burnley legacy is in danger of being tarnished, and after all the service, goals and memories he's provided that would be a sad ending to the best chapter of his entire career, and he doesn't deserve that.
Seems a bit odd that SD shipped out Vokes when the time was right but for some reason has kept Barnes when it's clear he's struggling at times.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:53 pm

I am amazed at how much stick Barnes gets. If he’s past it, it doesn’t say much about the Jay and Vydra.

Still our second best striker in terms of goals scored over the past few seasons.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:23 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:07 pm
And Roberts has been called upto the Wales squad
If true that seems utterly ridiculous. He isn't even fit enough to turn out for the U23s like Long did the other night.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by tiger76 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:25 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:53 pm
I am amazed at how much stick Barnes gets. If he’s past it, it doesn’t say much about the Jay and Vydra.

Still our second best striker in terms of goals scored over the past few seasons.
Probably because Jay and Vyds offer us other qualities even when they're not scoring. Whereas Barnes doesn't anymore.

Barnes has barely scored in his last couple of seasons has he, and when he's paired with Wood we revert to being one-dimensional again.

And it doesn't take a genius to notice Wood only went on his goal scoring spree when he was partnered with Vydra last season.

A few seasons ago Barnes was a menace in the PL, and he managed to get under the skin of defenders, as well as chipping in with some useful goals.

Last season he netted 3 PL goals in total, and the season prior he notched 6, admittedly he did miss a large chunk of that campaign, but after scoring a few early doors, he went on a lengthy drought.

Now I'll agree Jay & Vydra are hardly prolific, but at least if they aren't scoring they'll be contributing in other ways, which Barnes simply doesn't do now.

Finally Barnes is 32, so if anything he'll likely decline in his impact as he ages, and the stats back this opinion up.

But the biggest factor for me is our style of play when we play 2 big lads up top, compare how we played in the Arsenal and Leicester games when Barnes and Vydra were on the pitch respectively.

I'm pragmatic and if the Barnes/Wood combo was still effective, and we were getting results, then I'd tolerate it as it's helping us get points, but the reality is teams are now wise to how to combat their physicality, therefore we need to have another option to stretch opposition defenders, and Vydra is our best striker at doing this.

Ideally we'd get another forward alongside Wood who could score 10-15 a season, but someone in that mould doesn't come cheap. hence why we need to utilise our resources as best we can, and it's apparent to most people that our most effective pairing is Vydra & Wood.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:27 pm

Isn’t it true that if we say Max is injured because he missed Norwich we can refuse to release him for Ivory Coast, but then if he plays against Norwich, we can’t do that?

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:33 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:27 pm
Isn’t it true that if we say Max is injured because he missed Norwich we can refuse to release him for Ivory Coast, but then if he plays against Norwich, we can’t do that?
I’m not sure but unless he’s 100% fit he won’t play against Norwich because they won’t want him to then risk the international break.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:53 pm


Still our second best striker in terms of goals scored over the past few seasons.

Since the start of the 19/20 season to date Barnes has scored just 9 goals and in that period received more Yellow Cards (10).

Dyche is always reluctant to jettison his "old faithfuls" regardless of the fact that the player is clearly on a downward spiral.

The fact that Barnes remains the "second best striker" as you put it, doesn't say much for the others does it?
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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:25 pm
Probably because Jay and Vyds offer us other qualities even when they're not scoring. Whereas Barnes doesn't anymore.

Barnes has barely scored in his last couple of seasons has he, and when he's paired with Wood we revert to being one-dimensional again.

And it doesn't take a genius to notice Wood only went on his goal scoring spree when he was partnered with Vydra last season.

A few seasons ago Barnes was a menace in the PL, and he managed to get under the skin of defenders, as well as chipping in with some useful goals.

Last season he netted 3 PL goals in total, and the season prior he notched 6, admittedly he did miss a large chunk of that campaign, but after scoring a few early doors, he went on a lengthy drought.

Now I'll agree Jay & Vydra are hardly prolific, but at least if they aren't scoring they'll be contributing in other ways, which Barnes simply doesn't do now.

Finally Barnes is 32, so if anything he'll likely decline in his impact as he ages, and the stats back this opinion up.

But the biggest factor for me is our style of play when we play 2 big lads up top, compare how we played in the Arsenal and Leicester games when Barnes and Vydra were on the pitch respectively.

I'm pragmatic and if the Barnes/Wood combo was still effective, and we were getting results, then I'd tolerate it as it's helping us get points, but the reality is teams are now wise to how to combat their physicality, therefore we need to have another option to stretch opposition defenders, and Vydra is our best striker at doing this.

Ideally we'd get another forward alongside Wood who could score 10-15 a season, but someone in that mould doesn't come cheap. hence why we need to utilise our resources as best we can, and it's apparent to most people that our most effective pairing is Vydra & Wood.
Barnes scored the same as Vydra in less appearances and more than Jay in less appearances last season.

Plus woods best goal scoring season came whilst partnered with Barnes and Jay.

It may be apparent that it is the best partnership but in reality it is not.

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Re: Cornet & Vydra injuries

Post by tiger76 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 pm
Barnes scored the same as Vydra in less appearances and more than Jay in less appearances last season.

Plus woods best goal scoring season came whilst partnered with Barnes and Jay.

It may be apparent that it is the best partnership but in reality it is not.
If we persist with the Barnes/Wood partnership then I can't see us collecting many points, or even scoring many goals, what worked a year or two ago is now obsolete.

And yes you are quite correct both Barnes and Wood hit double figures back in 18/19, but they haven't hit those heights since, and realistically aren't likely too again.

It is a concern that we're so reliant on Wood for goals, and this is an area we could do with rectifying soon, if not in January, then definitely in the summer window.

Both Barnes and Vydra are out of contract next year, so we might not have any option but to consider replacements for both, but if I had to keep one it would have to be Vydra.

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