Cornet & Vydra injuries
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:41 am
Any updates on Vyds and Cornet? Do we know when we will find out any news?
Those 2 will be vital at the weekend.
Those 2 will be vital at the weekend.
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surely that can only have helped him to adapt, the Rochdale game was considerably slower than the Leicester game, which was played at 100mph from the very start. The Prem is so quick.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 amHate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
Vydra pulled up as well, something is wrong, either were overtraining or not preparing right. Were only 6 games in.burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:48 amsurely that can only have helped him to adapt, the Rochdale game was considerably slower than the Leicester game, which was played at 100mph from the very start. The Prem is so quick.
I'm sure there's plenty analysis going on at the club, hopefully!Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:54 amVydra pulled up as well, something is wrong, either were overtraining or not preparing right. Were only 6 games in.
I'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:10 pmCan't imagine Cornet will be anywhere near the Norwich game but at least after that there's an international break and City away (which we can probably almost write off, let's be honest) - hopefully he's back for the important games against Southampton and Brentford.
I thought he got injured against Leicester?Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 amHate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
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Valid point!Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:22 pmI'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.
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Let's hope so!Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:22 pmI'm expecting Maxwel Cornet to be back for the City game. He loves scoring against them.
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cheers. I'm expecting "touch and go"...Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:41 pmJay's done his hamstring to an extent he'll be out a little while
Vydra was knackered and something happened with his back, I expect him to play at the weekend
Cornet is a tweak, his hamstring didn't go fully otherwise he wouldn't have walked all the way around the pitch and then over to the away end at full time (same as Vydra did) - I expect he'll be out at the weekend
You've got a double "I told you so" actually. You complained when Cornet didn't play against Everton and you said he should, and you complained when Cornet did play against Rochdale when you said he shouldn't. If only he had played more minutes in the PL and less in the League Cup, his hamstring might have been entirely different v. Leicester.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:47 amHate to say I told you so....Cornet shouldn't have played against Rochdale or at least brought off when we were winning handsomely.
Im glad someone has been paying attention, good work dsrdsr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:11 pmYou've got a double "I told you so" actually. You complained when Cornet didn't play against Everton and you said he should, and you complained when Cornet did play against Rochdale when you said he shouldn't. If only he had played more minutes in the PL and less in the League Cup, his hamstring might have been entirely different v. Leicester.
Just checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pmJust checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.
Your not looking hard enough to coin a phrase, pretty sure i predicted he would get injured if he played against Rochdale, so one half later isn't too bad , mystic Meg still in a job like but only just!TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pmJust checked them. Can't see the one where you predicted he'd pick up a hamstring injury at Leicester.
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:49 pmYour not looking hard enough to coin a phrase, pretty sure i predicted he would get injured if he played against Rochdale, so one half later isn't too bad , mystic Meg still in a job like but only just!
Dyche will have an interview on Thursdayburnley007 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:12 amI'm guessing we won't have a clue until the teams are announced on Saturday.
but long just played 90 minutes for u23Yeovil1951 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pmJust been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
And Roberts has been called upto the Wales squad
I accept that we bought Roberts already carrying/recovering from an injury, but has Stephens ever been fit since he arrived?Yeovil1951 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pmJust been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
How reliable a source is that though? Surely they can only use information that is in the public domain or make guesses.Yeovil1951 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:03 pmJust been on Premier league injury list we are down as having 6 injuries all on no return date list. Cornet, Vydra, Rodrigues, Roberts, Stephens, Long.
Stephens was on our bench a lot last season, more than I thought before checking the stats, but he rarely started , 3 PL starts in total last season, and he only completed one 90 minutes at home to Southampton.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:20 pmI accept that we bought Roberts already carrying/recovering from an injury, but has Stephens ever been fit since he arrived?
What does?
Never mind I’ve seen now. Looks as though they don’t know and are also waiting for dyche tomorrow. I just hope vyds is fit as I don’t want to watch another 70+ of Barnes bundling around.
Even the slightest of hamstring strains take a couple of weeks to heal up so it's likely Maxwel Cornet will return v Southampton at the earliest.
We can probably manage without Cornet, but Vydra would be a big miss for the Norwich game, especially with Jay Rod side-lined for a few weeks by all accounts, and like you I despair of Barnes playing up top again, he offers nothing these days, no goal threat, no pace to trouble defenders, and he rarely even wins free-kicks now, and it was noticeable how we immediately reverted to playing it long once he was introduced on Saturday.Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:53 pmNever mind I’ve seen now. Looks as though they don’t know and are also waiting for dyche tomorrow. I just hope vyds is fit as I don’t want to watch another 70+ of Barnes bundling around.
Barnes needs to try and get a Championship club in January if he can, he'd still be a handful at that level, but sadly his PL days are long behind him now.burnley007 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:05 pmPlease not Barnes again, he just looks lost. Loved him a couple of years ago, but he's a long way off being a Premier League player now unfortunately.
Seems a bit odd that SD shipped out Vokes when the time was right but for some reason has kept Barnes when it's clear he's struggling at times.tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:15 pmBarnes needs to try and get a Championship club in January if he can, he'd still be a handful at that level, but sadly his PL days are long behind him now.
He's enjoyed a decent Burnley career, but as with Vokes before him, now is the time for him to move on, best for him, and best for the club, otherwise his Burnley legacy is in danger of being tarnished, and after all the service, goals and memories he's provided that would be a sad ending to the best chapter of his entire career, and he doesn't deserve that.
Probably because Jay and Vyds offer us other qualities even when they're not scoring. Whereas Barnes doesn't anymore.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:53 pmI am amazed at how much stick Barnes gets. If he’s past it, it doesn’t say much about the Jay and Vydra.
Still our second best striker in terms of goals scored over the past few seasons.
I’m not sure but unless he’s 100% fit he won’t play against Norwich because they won’t want him to then risk the international break.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:27 pmIsn’t it true that if we say Max is injured because he missed Norwich we can refuse to release him for Ivory Coast, but then if he plays against Norwich, we can’t do that?
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:53 pm
Still our second best striker in terms of goals scored over the past few seasons.
Barnes scored the same as Vydra in less appearances and more than Jay in less appearances last season.tiger76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:25 pmProbably because Jay and Vyds offer us other qualities even when they're not scoring. Whereas Barnes doesn't anymore.
Barnes has barely scored in his last couple of seasons has he, and when he's paired with Wood we revert to being one-dimensional again.
And it doesn't take a genius to notice Wood only went on his goal scoring spree when he was partnered with Vydra last season.
A few seasons ago Barnes was a menace in the PL, and he managed to get under the skin of defenders, as well as chipping in with some useful goals.
Last season he netted 3 PL goals in total, and the season prior he notched 6, admittedly he did miss a large chunk of that campaign, but after scoring a few early doors, he went on a lengthy drought.
Now I'll agree Jay & Vydra are hardly prolific, but at least if they aren't scoring they'll be contributing in other ways, which Barnes simply doesn't do now.
Finally Barnes is 32, so if anything he'll likely decline in his impact as he ages, and the stats back this opinion up.
But the biggest factor for me is our style of play when we play 2 big lads up top, compare how we played in the Arsenal and Leicester games when Barnes and Vydra were on the pitch respectively.
I'm pragmatic and if the Barnes/Wood combo was still effective, and we were getting results, then I'd tolerate it as it's helping us get points, but the reality is teams are now wise to how to combat their physicality, therefore we need to have another option to stretch opposition defenders, and Vydra is our best striker at doing this.
Ideally we'd get another forward alongside Wood who could score 10-15 a season, but someone in that mould doesn't come cheap. hence why we need to utilise our resources as best we can, and it's apparent to most people that our most effective pairing is Vydra & Wood.
If we persist with the Barnes/Wood partnership then I can't see us collecting many points, or even scoring many goals, what worked a year or two ago is now obsolete.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 pmBarnes scored the same as Vydra in less appearances and more than Jay in less appearances last season.
Plus woods best goal scoring season came whilst partnered with Barnes and Jay.
It may be apparent that it is the best partnership but in reality it is not.