Why on earth do Newcastle fans think Benitez is the solution to all their problems when he's no better than Bruce?

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 8dcEg&s=19

Good thread from Swiss Ramble, talking about how much the club can spend due to FFP etc.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:00 pm

Why on earth do Newcastle fans think Benitez is the solution to all their problems when he's no better than Bruce?

I think benitez is a better manager overall some stats may arrive contesting that opinion, the geordies really warmed to benitez & some of the fan base probably felt that he wasn't treat fairly & proper prior to his departure & if he went back it'd be another opportunity for him to treat better this time around, the geordies are very loyal people it's part of the their character to be like that in the main.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:12 am

I think benitez is a better manager overall some stats may arrive contesting that opinion, the geordies really warmed to benitez & some of the fan base probably felt that he wasn't treat fairly & proper prior to his departure & if he went back it'd be another opportunity for him to treat better this time around, the geordies are very loyal people it's part of the their character to be like that in the main.

Yep, they were incredibly loyal to Bruce.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 am

Yep, they were incredibly loyal to Bruce.

Did they personally sack him or have the results had any say in the matter & final finishing places for a few seasons may have had some bearing.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 am

Yep, they were incredibly loyal to Bruce.

Our example of being incredibly loyal to dyche isn't some of a textbook for other clubs to follow, you are only as good as your last game & in Bruce's cases far too many bad 1s, also in fairness dyche has earned the loyalty.

Get some sleep

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:24 am

Get some sleep

Keep talking to me & I might get there.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:12 am

the geordies are very loyal people it's part of the their character to be like that in the main.

Heh. Always good to start the week with a joke. Remember how they treated Bobby Robson? He even complained to the press about being deeply hurt by their calls for him to be sacked.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:31 am

Heh. Always good to start the week with a joke. Remember how they treated Bobby Robson? He even complained to the press about being deeply hurt by their calls for him to be sacked.

I've yet to come across a bad Geordie & until I do I can't say anything wrong about them, that's not to say 1 day I won't there's a first time for everything.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:33 am

I've yet to come across a bad Geordie & until I do I can't say anything wrong about them, that's not to say 1 day I won't there's a first time for everything.

I take it you wasn’t at Hillsborough

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:33 am

I've yet to come across a bad Geordie & until I do I can't say anything wrong about them, that's not to say 1 day I won't there's a first time for everything.

Raul Moat. He was alright wasn't he?

Swiss ramble on how much they can spend:
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 6441142276

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:02 am

Raul Moat. He was alright wasn't he?

Of course not but I never knew him, by that logic everybody from West Yorkshire must be bad because Peter Sutcliffe was born in bingley.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:06 am

Of course not but I never knew him, by that logic everybody from West Yorkshire must be bad because Peter Sutcliffe was born in bingley.

You're nearly there. The 'logic' is not to make a collective judgement on a group of people.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:04 am

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 8dcEg&s=19

Good thread from Swiss Ramble, talking about how much the club can spend due to FFP etc.

I think the scary thing in that article is that. Ills have lost half a billion pounds and are only marginally better than we are.

Good stuff. The Police aren't taking any action over the banner.

On Saturday 23 October, a member of the public contacted the police to raise concerns about a banner displayed at the Crystal Palace vs Newcastle match at Selhurst Park,” a statement read. “Following an assessment, officers have concluded that no offences have been committed. No further action will be taken.

Sounds like they are now trying to get Emery as their new manager.

Has he got a good history of doing well at struggling clubs?

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:54 am

Sounds like they are now trying to get Emery as their new manager.

Has he got a good history of doing well at struggling clubs?

The managers sleazy appearance will match that of their owners then !

He's awful, but they do like him.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:25 pm

Good stuff. The Police aren't taking any action over the banner.

On Saturday 23 October, a member of the public contacted the police to raise concerns about a banner displayed at the Crystal Palace vs Newcastle match at Selhurst Park,” a statement read. “Following an assessment, officers have concluded that no offences have been committed. No further action will be taken.

I wanted the police to prosecute them not because I didn't agree with them but because I wanted them to be able to demonstrate & prove the claims which will further put the spotlight on things, all this will do now is just hush things up as if the banner never existed in the first place, look lads you've had a warning don't do it again that's the end of the matter.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:53 pm

I wanted the police to prosecute them not because I didn't agree with them but because I wanted them to be able to demonstrate & prove the claims which will further put the spotlight on things

Fair point.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm

He's awful, but they do like him.

Is he a Dick?

Good manager is Emery, Arsenal under him bottled 4th by rotating players for Europe and then lost the Europa final with a far far worse side than Arteta took to back to back 8th.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:08 am

Good manager is Emery, Arsenal under him bottled 4th by rotating players for Europe and then lost the Europa final with a far far worse side than Arteta took to back to back 8th.

Seems the supporters want Everton to sack Rafa so they can get him back as manager.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:16 am

Seems the supporters want Everton to sack Rafa so they can get him back as manager.

Don't they remember who squandered £40m on Joelinton, a far more signings in that ilk and the Geordies treasure chest would soon be emptied.

All smoke and mirrors. How many consistently successful managers are there? Seems to me that once they've won something, and have an exotic name, teams clamour for their services. In reality, their 'meal ticket' has been stamped and when they sign a contract the bottom line, and overriding concern, is the severance bounty. Hardly makes any good business sense from their new employers, as the manager generally knows he'll be banking that in a couple of years, at most and doesn't require any more than average results in the meantime! Rant over

Spijed wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:16 am

Seems the supporters want Everton to sack Rafa so they can get him back as manager.

Interesting point. If Benitez gets even a sniff of the Newcastle after him he’ll be throwing matches and won’t put up much of a fight when hauled in front of the Everton chairman that’s for sure.

He tried to hold Ashley to ransom for 10 million a year and he told him to do one, getting Bruce in for a snip of the price.

The blokes a worse mercenary than any player around.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:24 am

Don't they remember who squandered £40m on Joelinton, a far more signings in that ilk and the Geordies treasure chest would soon be emptied.

Was it not Bruce who brought in Joelinton after Newcastle had scouted him. Benitez didn’t actually want him and wanted the money for different players, one of the things Ashley and Benitez where at loggerheads with before his departure.

Reporting Emery about to be appointed.

Emery is far too a sensible appointment for them sadly

Newcastle will be Emery's 9th Managerial job ; some going for a 49 year old.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:16 am

Seems the supporters want Everton to sack Rafa so they can get him back as manager.

Rafa got relegated with them, if I remember correctly. I read both Bruce and Rafa picked up the exact same number of points over their 2 PL seasons each. One is a Spanish hero, the other is a hated Geordie. The Geordies aren't happy at the boring Bruce football, they must not remember they were stinking the place out under Rafa, full on park the bus 15% possession. Horrible to watch

This situation regarding Bruce and Benitez has been covered already. Yes, their records were similar but nothing similar about the amount of money afforded both managers. Benitez was pragmatic, a clever tactician as we found out more than once but the only money he had to work with was what he generated himself through sales. If he spent on forwards then the defence felt the pinch and vice versa.
Bruce had over £170 million available to him. He wasn't popular because they quite simply didn't like him and he had managed Sunderland. His best days were as a player with Man Utd. and whether you agree with it or not it didn't go well.especially when he wanted to return as a.Geordie.
I'm.not defending either boss but just telling it as.it is through the eyes of Geordies I am related to and friends with. Benitez had pedigree, Bruce was a clown.

MrTopTier wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:32 am

Was it not Bruce who brought in Joelinton after Newcastle had scouted him. Benitez didn’t actually want him and wanted the money for different players, one of the things Ashley and Benitez where at loggerheads with before his departure.

Apologies it was indeed Bruce who signed Joelinton, I always imagined he was one of Rafa's signings, in that case even more reason for the new owners not to trust Steve Bruce with all their new money then.

However I still have my doubts over whether bringing Benitez back is the right move for Newcastle, I suppose as a short-term appointment purely to stabilise them in the PL just for this season it makes sense as he knows the club and most of the players, but you'd imagine the owners will be having far loftier ambitions in the coming years than merely cementing a PL place.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:16 am

Seems the supporters want Everton to sack Rafa so they can get him back as manager.

They might just get their wish if results continue the same way as wolves the other night.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 pm

Apologies it was indeed Bruce who signed Joelinton, I always imagined he was one of Rafa's signings, in that case even more reason for the new owners not to trust Steve Bruce with all their new money then.

However I still have my doubts over whether bringing Benitez back is the right move for Newcastle, I suppose as a short-term appointment purely to stabilise them in the PL just for this season it makes sense as he knows the club and most of the players, but you'd imagine the owners will be having far loftier ambitions in the coming years than merely cementing a PL place.

Bruce was manager but I doubt he had any say in signing Joelinton seeing as they'd been chasing him previously.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:49 pm

He's awful, but they do like him.

The younger posters will be very confused.

chekhov wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:31 pm

The younger posters will be very confused.

Good, they confuse me often enough with what they consider “entertainment”

chekhov wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:31 pm

The younger posters will be very confused.

Do we have many younger posters on here

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:12 pm

Do we have many younger posters on here

Of course we do. I’m only in my 60s

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:12 am

I think benitez is a better manager overall some stats may arrive contesting that opinion, the geordies really warmed to benitez & some of the fan base probably felt that he wasn't treat fairly & proper prior to his departure & if he went back it'd be another opportunity for him to treat better this time around, the geordies are very loyal people it's part of the their character to be like that in the main.

No theyre not, they are exactly the same as fans anywhere else.
Amongst their ranks are the same sort of slobs, thugs, fairweather fans, decent types, and fickle idiots as one would expect at EVERY other club in the country.
Absolutely nothing sets them apart in the loyalty stakes.

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:32 pm

No theyre not, they are exactly the same as fans anywhere else.
Amongst their ranks are the same sort of slobs, thugs, fairweather fans, decent types, and fickle idiots as one would expect at EVERY other club in the country.
Absolutely nothing sets them apart in the loyalty stakes.

I can only go off my experiences & I find them incredibly loyal people right down to the core & until I've got a reason for that to change I can't say any different, if you don't agree & your experiences are different to mine fair enough, I take people at face value in life & I can't & won't criticise people who've done me no harm.

Reports coming out that EMery might turn down Newcastle due to the owners perceived lack of strategy!

Surely the time has come for Newcastle to bite the bullet and ask Bruce to come back

Newcastle need to become defensively solid.

Then there's talk of appointing Eddie Howe as manager...

Personally hope that Howe gets the job, not convinced he will keep them up.

ClaretDiver wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:08 am

Reports coming out that EMery might turn down Newcastle due to the owners perceived lack of strategy!

UE: what is your strategy?
Arabs: we intend to chuck a shitload of money at it and hope for the best.
UE: bye

Is there a station in Bournemouth on the Metro line?

Dracula has now officially turned down the job.

Despite all the wealth I suspect the position they find themselves in is putting off a few candidates