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We would be stupid if we haven't.
Letting 30m players walk away for free isn't the best business practice.
Letting 30m players walk away for free isn't the best business practice.
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Everything I've read points to him leaving, potentially in January, but Newcastle seem his most likely destination.
As for us offering a lucrative deal, it's going to need to smash our wage cap and I don't know if we'd do that.
As for us offering a lucrative deal, it's going to need to smash our wage cap and I don't know if we'd do that.
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He's going to get a very lucarative contract whatever he decides to do
He's at the peak of his career, and he's comfortably one of the better CH in the premier league, and should be playing in a team challenging for something more than we do
I hope he stays, but I'm realistic enough to know that its only going to happen if he decides that whatever move he is offered doesn't beat what he has here.
Basically, I'd sell him in January as he's not going to stay, and that is better to get some money for him rather than nothing at all
He's at the peak of his career, and he's comfortably one of the better CH in the premier league, and should be playing in a team challenging for something more than we do
I hope he stays, but I'm realistic enough to know that its only going to happen if he decides that whatever move he is offered doesn't beat what he has here.
Basically, I'd sell him in January as he's not going to stay, and that is better to get some money for him rather than nothing at all
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The new owners have never mentioned a wage cap that I know of.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:22 amEverything I've read points to him leaving, potentially in January, but Newcastle seem his most likely destination.
As for us offering a lucrative deal, it's going to need to smash our wage cap and I don't know if we'd do that.
I was told he turned down 75k a week to stay over 18 months ago so it would have to be a special offer for him to stay.
He will easily get 100-120k a week at other clubs though.
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My money is on a sale in January, shortly followed by a press release that ALK Capital have met the latest instalment of their payment to the former owners.....
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Selling Tarks to one of the two sides below us in the table may not be worth a January sale unless it is silly, e.g. £30m for someone with 6 mths left.
Not guaranteed NUFC will be safe, they may sign half a dozen but some could then get injured or the new manager may be useless. You never know. In any event, we need defenders capable of finishing above three other teams, and losing Tarky means Long is 1st reserve again
Not guaranteed NUFC will be safe, they may sign half a dozen but some could then get injured or the new manager may be useless. You never know. In any event, we need defenders capable of finishing above three other teams, and losing Tarky means Long is 1st reserve again
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I'm currently visiting my Newcastle United relatives and the main feeling they have is most importantly to get rid of Bruce. They see him as a divisive character, the longer he remains the longer it will take for any 'healing' process.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:40 amSelling Tarks to one of the two sides below us in the table may not be worth a January sale unless it is silly, e.g. £30m for someone with 6 mths left.
Not guaranteed NUFC will be safe, they may sign half a dozen but some could then get injured or the new manager may be useless. You never know. In any event, we need defenders capable of finishing above three other teams, and losing Tarky means Long is 1st reserve again
They would love to see the return of Keegan and Shearer on ambassadorial duty but no great discussion about a particular manager yet, which seems strange to me as they want the current one out now!
They are fully aware of the corruptions of their owners but claim that morality isn't on the agenda of 'fit and proper otherwise how have Chelsea and Man Utd. been allowed to get away with it for so long. In total agreement that the whole structure of the Premier league is corrupt and sordid.
Finally, they still believe they might be relegated along with Norwich and us simply because all of their bad players( include attitude) cannot be replaced in one swoop. So, there you have it from 'the horses mouth' so to speak. Excited, dismayed and cautious all rolled into one. Actually tut, tutting again as they contemplate another defeat to Spurs on Sunday. Hot off the press!
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I'd like to think that we have irons in the fire or at least plans for replacing Tarks if we decide to cash in. Collins was signed as his replacement in the team but we would then need the next understudy underneath. Long as we know is nowhere near reliable enough.
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I think for Tarky is gone beyond money. He's ambitious and as others have said, he's at his peak. He believes he can attract the attention of much bigger fish and that he has the ability to play in the upper echelons of the PL challenging for stuff, as opposed to avoiding relegation season on season. Whether he's right about his abilities I'm not absolutely sure tbh, but I think he's determined to find out and it's not money that will make him stay or go. Having said that, the club would be daft for not trying.
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It would be fascinating to see how their owners handle relegation. You would assume they would sign players to get out of the Championship no problem but at what level would they be? Would they still sign established prem players to play down there with a view to the longer term? Would established prem players move down to the Championship knowing they will be on a massive wage packet and the likelihood they walk the league and back in the prem anyway?Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:02 amI'm currently visiting my Newcastle United relatives and the main feeling they have is most importantly to get rid of Bruce. They see him as a divisive character, the longer he remains the longer it will take for any 'healing' process.
They would love to see the return of Keegan and Shearer on ambassadorial duty but no great discussion about a particular manager yet, which seems strange to me as they want the current one out now!
They are fully aware of the corruptions of their owners but claim that morality isn't on the agenda of 'fit and proper otherwise how have Chelsea and Man Utd. been allowed to get away with it for so long. In total agreement that the whole structure of the Premier league is corrupt and sordid.
Finally, they still believe they might be relegated along with Norwich and us simply because all of their bad players( include attitude) cannot be replaced in one swoop. So, there you have it from 'the horses mouth' so to speak. Excited, dismayed and cautious all rolled into one. Actually tut, tutting again as they contemplate another defeat to Spurs on Sunday. Hot off the press!
From our point of view it wouldn't be a good thing if we got relegated with them.
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You were doing really well until your last para. To me Tarks is the difference between staying up this season and going down. He's priceless to us. Offer him the best weekly wage we can and big signing on fee, obviously with relegation clauses on the wages.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:25 amHe's going to get a very lucarative contract whatever he decides to do
He's at the peak of his career, and he's comfortably one of the better CH in the premier league, and should be playing in a team challenging for something more than we do
I hope he stays, but I'm realistic enough to know that its only going to happen if he decides that whatever move he is offered doesn't beat what he has here.
Basically, I'd sell him in January as he's not going to stay, and that is better to get some money for him rather than nothing at all
If we go to down we will be able to sell for a good fee.
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He won't sign itsummitclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:13 amYou were doing really well until your last para. To me Tarks is the difference between staying up this season and going down. He's priceless to us. Offer him the best weekly wage we can and big signing on fee, obviously with relegation clauses on the wages.
If we go to down we will be able to sell for a good fee.
Why would he?
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Cornet took a pay cut to join us, so I suspect the club is still operating within certain financial restraints at present.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:27 amThe new owners have never mentioned a wage cap that I know of.
I was told he turned down 75k a week to stay over 18 months ago so it would have to be a special offer for him to stay.
He will easily get 100-120k a week at other clubs though.
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Having 20m-30m to from Tarks sale to reinvest in the team could be the difference between staying up and going down next season.summitclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:13 amYou were doing really well until your last para. To me Tarks is the difference between staying up this season and going down. He's priceless to us. Offer him the best weekly wage we can and big signing on fee, obviously with relegation clauses on the wages.
If we go to down we will be able to sell for a good fee.
If there is an offer for Tarks then the club will need to decide have we more chance surviving long term in the Premier League losing Tarks for second half of this season but having 20-30m to spend across Jan and the summer or keeping Tarks this season but not having the 20-30m to improve the squad next summer.
I dont think it is quite as clear cut as you make out and will be a tough call for Mr Pace to make should the situation arise
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Where did you read that? Some coup for Burnley if true. To get a champions league player to come to the club is massive, to get him on a pay cut is bonkers.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:21 amCornet took a pay cut to join us, so I suspect the club is still operating within certain financial restraints at present.
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Without wishing to pry, I presume Tarky's mum is a lot better now health wise?
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I think we have to sell him. We should have done it when the offer was £30/35m a couple years ago.
We need to get back to selling players at their peak value and reinvesting that money (as we did when selling Keane/Gray). One of the reasons our squad has become so aged and stagnant is that we started trying to hold on to our Crown Jewels and then complaining that we had no money to spend in the market.
Need to start being willing to sell and do business with the profits - I include McNeil in this. Selling doesn’t result in relegation as long as you have a good plan for replacement.
We need to get back to selling players at their peak value and reinvesting that money (as we did when selling Keane/Gray). One of the reasons our squad has become so aged and stagnant is that we started trying to hold on to our Crown Jewels and then complaining that we had no money to spend in the market.
Need to start being willing to sell and do business with the profits - I include McNeil in this. Selling doesn’t result in relegation as long as you have a good plan for replacement.
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It was in the National papers when he signed.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:26 amWhere did you read that? Some coup for Burnley if true. To get a champions league player to come to the club is massive, to get him on a pay cut is bonkers.
Lyon are paying part of his wage with us paying around 45-50k a week.
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It was widely reported at the time.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:26 amWhere did you read that? Some coup for Burnley if true. To get a champions league player to come to the club is massive, to get him on a pay cut is bonkers.
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Why would Lyon be paying part of his wage? It doesn’t make sense.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:34 amIt was in the National papers when he signed.
Lyon are paying part of his wage with us paying around 45-50k a week.
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I seem to remember Nixon saying we had to pay 15m instead of 12 so they would contribute wages now.
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So that we could sign him within our wage structure and avoid p1551ng off all the other players, as Quickenthetempo notes, we paid an enhanced fee to cover Lyon's cost in doing so; that might also explain the widely different amounts that got quoted at the time in relation to MC's transfer feee?
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I too reckon that if Newcastle - or anyone else - are prepared to bay a substantial fee to get JT in January rather than next summer for free, then we might as well take it; that's a change of opinion from even a month ago, but I believe that Nathan Collins has now shown that he's up to doing the job. It's time to move on and I'd rather see JT leave than disrupt the current salary regime.
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I don’t get this paying Lyon more in a fee then they can pay part of his wages, surely the other players can see that it is really us who are paying the whole of his wages, just doing it via a third party.
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We have done it with a few players.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:17 pmI don’t get this paying Lyon more in a fee then they can pay part of his wages, surely the other players can see that it is really us who are paying the whole of his wages, just doing it via a third party.
We paid City a 4m transfer fee for Joe Hart, that went straight to him, to compensate the 100k a week wages he would lose by coming here.
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I remember that, I still can’t see how the other players wouldn’t be aware of the fact that a player is getting paid more by us than stated.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:20 pmWe have done it with a few players.
We paid City a 4m transfer fee for Joe Hart, that went straight to him, to compensate the 100k a week wages he would lose by coming here.
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I believe it is fairly common.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:17 pmI don’t get this paying Lyon more in a fee then they can pay part of his wages, surely the other players can see that it is really us who are paying the whole of his wages, just doing it via a third party.
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I would keep him in January and let him walk with our best wishes in the summer. For what we'll get in January it isn't worth us selling, it would severely weaken us defensively and relegation is far more costly than cashing in on £5-10m at this stage. Personally think we should have sold him for the reported £30m+ and invested wisely in two or three players.
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So it's just me who struggles to imagine that other players would give a squeaky fart as to what Tarkowski gets paid.?
But I guess a move to Newcastle must be favourite, as it would take him nearer to his family in Oldham. (or wherever)
But I guess a move to Newcastle must be favourite, as it would take him nearer to his family in Oldham. (or wherever)
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Been good for us, he's delusional if he believes he should be challenging for trophies though. As Michael Keane found out, the grass isn't always greener, the Everton fans laugh at bambi on ice Keane who was very very good for us. Tarkowski is way too slow to play for a progressive side, turns like a barge.
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What would we get for him with 6 months left, 10 million tops? It's not worth it, staying up is worth a hell of a lot more than that.
If we had a decent number of points on the board I'd say take the money, but it looks like we're going to be in a real dogfight this season.
If we had a decent number of points on the board I'd say take the money, but it looks like we're going to be in a real dogfight this season.
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I think we would struggle to get much more than 5m with 6 months leftjrgbfc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:25 pmWhat would we get for him with 6 months left, 10 million tops? It's not worth it, staying up is worth a hell of a lot more than that.
If we had a decent number of points on the board I'd say take the money, but it looks like we're going to be in a real dogfight this season.
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So having 1 good game at this level against the bottom side has shown he’s up to it consistently. I suggest Man City could tell us more & see how he performs.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:13 pmI too reckon that if Newcastle - or anyone else - are prepared to bay a substantial fee to get JT in January rather than next summer for free, then we might as well take it; that's a change of opinion from even a month ago, but I believe that Nathan Collins has now shown that he's up to doing the job. It's time to move on and I'd rather see JT leave than disrupt the current salary regime.
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I ain't 'eard nuffink
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Whilst some of your point is valid the grass has definitely been greener for Michael Keane. He's Made at least 30 appearances every season since joining Everton and was virtually ever present last year. He has also has gone on to make 10 appearances for England whilst at Everton.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:05 pmBeen good for us, he's delusional if he believes he should be challenging for trophies though. As Michael Keane found out, the grass isn't always greener, the Everton fans laugh at bambi on ice Keane who was very very good for us. Tarkowski is way too slow to play for a progressive side, turns like a barge.
Im not sure what you expected but in Everton he has found his perfect level and I suspect thats what Tarks hopes to do at a club like Leicester or West Ham.
If Tarks manages to emulate Keanes career post Burnley Im sure he will be very happy
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If we can put some good results (and points) together in Oct & Nov, I could see him staying. He is a "big fish" for us, and the first name on our team sheet. He will face huge competition where he goes and may not be as suited to their style of play as he is to ours. For me maybe one of the best CH's we have had since that great team of the early Sixties. Only Steve Davies for me comes close to him
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If we have any chance of getting out of this mess we've found ourselves in, we'll certainly need our best defender until the end of the season. Anything over and above that will be a bonus.
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So what'll convince you? - anything better than the 5 - 0 losses with JT playing, or do we have to stop them scoring at allJakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:37 pmSo having 1 good game at this level against the bottom side has shown he’s up to it consistently. I suggest Man City could tell us more & see how he performs.
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We need to start seeing more investment in the natural replacements. Collins is a start but we need more of this sort of signing before we start offloading our better players at peak value.jedi_master wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:29 amI think we have to sell him. We should have done it when the offer was £30/35m a couple years ago.
We need to get back to selling players at their peak value and reinvesting that money (as we did when selling Keane/Gray). One of the reasons our squad has become so aged and stagnant is that we started trying to hold on to our Crown Jewels and then complaining that we had no money to spend in the market.
Need to start being willing to sell and do business with the profits - I include McNeil in this. Selling doesn’t result in relegation as long as you have a good plan for replacement.
It’s definitely how I think we should be operating.
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I think Keane would've had a better career remaining here for a little longer rather than be hated by Everton fans throughout his time there under several managers. He's had a solid career though definitely and I'm sure his bank balance is way better for the move.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:14 pmWhilst some of your point is valid the grass has definitely been greener for Michael Keane. He's Made at least 30 appearances every season since joining Everton and was virtually ever present last year. He has also has gone on to make 10 appearances for England whilst at Everton.
Im not sure what you expected but in Everton he has found his perfect level and I suspect thats what Tarks hopes to do at a club like Leicester or West Ham.
If Tarks manages to emulate Keanes career post Burnley Im sure he will be very happy
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My concern for JT on a personal level is if he joins Newcastle in January, bearing in mind the high calibre of players the new owners are targeting, then he may find himself on the fringes in the summer. The wages may compensate for being a bit part squad player but I'm sure JT has bigger ambitions of playing more regularly. Do agents look that far ahead when there's a great offer on the table right now ?
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
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Your entitled to think what you like and suppose what might have happened but the fact is Keane's move has been a big success and apart from the top 5 or 6 clubs (which he's never been at the standard of) he's played at as higher level as possible with EvertonKRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:41 pmI think Keane would've had a better career remaining here for a little longer rather than be hated by Everton fans throughout his time there under several managers. He's had a solid career though definitely and I'm sure his bank balance is way better for the move.
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What is the problem at Everton (with the fans, I mean)?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 pmYour entitled to think what you like and suppose what might have happened but the fact is Keane's move has been a big success and apart from the top 5 or 6 clubs (which he's never been at the standard of) he's played at as higher level as possible with Everton
Keane is about as good as they could hope for as they couldn't hope to hang on to Stones
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Everton have been playing at the same level as us though since he moved there, midtable, winning nothing. Bigger club and better players sure but they haven't done fk all. Have they even qualified for the Europa League since he's been there?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 pmYour entitled to think what you like and suppose what might have happened but the fact is Keane's move has been a big success and apart from the top 5 or 6 clubs (which he's never been at the standard of) he's played at as higher level as possible with Everton
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Burnley would have never offered that kind of moneyQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:27 amI was told he turned down 75k a week to stay over 18 months ago so it would have to be a special offer for him to stay.
No he won'tQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:27 amHe will easily get 100-120k a week at other clubs though.