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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Paddy1882 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:29 am

houseboy wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:23 am
I just love it when people make a statement then try to shut down the argument by suggesting anyone who disagrees is some kind of fool. I’m sure you’re a believer in free speech and argument but it’s a bit thinly disguised.
I said 2/3 messages below when the poster replied that he’s entitled to his opinion and there is nothing wrong with that, however my opinion is that nobody in football or who follows football would want a CM who has not scored or assisted since 2019 and who’s legs seem to have gone so can’t match runs of the opposition players or press and close down effectively, certainly not at premier league level anyway.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:34 am

Paddy1882 wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:29 am
I said 2/3 messages below when the poster replied that he’s entitled to his opinion and there is nothing wrong with that, however my opinion is that nobody in football or who follows football would want a CM who has not scored or assisted since 2019 and who’s legs seem to have gone so can’t match runs of the opposition players or press and close down effectively, certainly not at premier league level anyway.
That's true but the brutal truth is that the alternatives are extremely slim especially in the midfield department, I would preferred that money spent on collins spent on a CM for now JT is here with hindsight & mee missing it's a valid argument though that hadn't we signed Collins we would really be up sh1t creek, in an ideal world you'd fill both positions.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Papabendi » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:54 pm

Excellent from Josh B today

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by dougcollins » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:59 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:54 pm
Excellent from Josh B today
Really? He hardly hit a claret shirt with a pass. And Brentford targeted him in the second half for ball-robbing.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:13 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:59 pm
Really? He hardly hit a claret shirt with a pass. And Brentford targeted him in the second half for ball-robbing.
I felt he intercepted an awful lot of their passes in the first half, never stopped running. 100% needs to be better on the ball though

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:19 pm

Josh B is the latest version of Dean Marney. Absolutely full of selfless running, commitment, nuisance value and occasional interceptions and will work tirelessly for the cause for 96 minutes which will always endear him to the fans, but in terms of hurting the opposition where it counts, barely ever. And that's because he's not QUITE a PL quality player. (IMO)

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Papabendi » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:48 pm

I’ll go w Dyche on this one

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:54 pm

But Brownhill's nowhere near as good as Westy - so say some ;)

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by warksclaret » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:59 pm

Takes more than one ingredient to bake a cake. The more talented players in the team ie Cornet, Dwight, to a lesser degree Westwood, Wood and JBG, then the more need for someone who can tackle, dispossess and press. Look at Phillips in the England team. Brownhill some way to go yet but thats why you invest in coaches

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:33 pm

I’m sure the January window will prove a lot of people on this board wrong again

Brownhill will be replaced at the earliest opportunity, he is knowhere near the required standard

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:33 pm
I’m sure the January window will prove a lot of people on this board wrong again

Brownhill will be replaced at the earliest opportunity, he is knowhere near the required standard
Take a day off.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:33 pm
I’m sure the January window will prove a lot of people on this board wrong again

Brownhill will be replaced at the earliest opportunity, he is knowhere near the required standard
He isn't if you're going off the standard of most other teams in the division.

But for graft, I bet there's none much better than Brownhill.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:06 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:03 pm
He isn't if you're going off the standard of most other teams in the division.

But for graft, I bet there's none much better than Brownhill.
If you want a grafter go pick up a CM from the lower leagues on quarter of wages.

We want premier league quality midfielders. We are 1 CM signing away from having a very good starting eleven

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:08 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:06 pm
If you want a grafter go pick up a CM from the lower leagues on quarter of wages.

We want premier league quality midfielders. We are 1 CM signing away from having a very good starting eleven
Just 1 cm signing?

Cork is being sent to the glue factory and Brownhill isn't even championship standard according to some on here.
Stephens is also going to the factory with Cork.

So we need 2 CM signings using those maths...

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:20 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:06 pm
If you want a grafter go pick up a CM from the lower leagues on quarter of wages.

We want premier league quality midfielders. We are 1 CM signing away from having a very good starting eleven
I want both, graft and quality.

There's no such thing as 'Premier League quality' midfielders, there are good midfielders and not as good midfielders depending on what you want from them (asking them to do).

I'd have Brownhill before Pogba in our team, then again I'd have Kante before Brownhill in our team.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:36 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:08 pm
Just 1 cm signing?

Cork is being sent to the glue factory and Brownhill isn't even championship standard according to some on here.
Stephens is also going to the factory with Cork.

So we need 2 CM signings using those maths...
Cork and Brownhill wouldn’t be in the starting eleven?

If we signed 1 too CM in Jan our starting eleven would be high quality.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:36 pm
Cork and Brownhill wouldn’t be in the starting eleven?

If we signed 1 too CM in Jan our starting eleven would be high quality.
So they're good enough for the bench?
Ergo they're good enough for the PL, because they won't remain on the bench...

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:40 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:38 pm
So they're good enough for the bench?
Ergo they're good enough for the PL, because they won't remain on the bench...
They are not good enough for the bench but we all know we have not got the finances to sign three CMs in January.

So we will have to make do until we can replace them

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:45 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:40 pm
They are not good enough for the bench but we all know we have not got the finances to sign three CMs in January.

So we will have to make do until we can replace them
Right so here's the core problem.

We've got 4 CM's currently.
We would need to move on, or release, one as a minimum in January.
There's no guarantee that can happen.

Brownhill is by and large a good enough CM for the PL, most can accept that, so he won't be off because Dyche rates him and he's first choice.

Stephens is possibly the most likely but we'd need to pay him off and that eats into our budget.

Westwood is staying and I suspect Cork will be too.

This win instills confidence in the team and we could well see an upturn now in form throughout the squad.

Don't be surprised if Brownhill is still first choice at the end of January, I already know you'll be disappointed :lol:

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:45 pm
Right so here's the core problem.

We've got 4 CM's currently.
We would need to move on, or release, one as a minimum in January.
There's no guarantee that can happen.

Brownhill is by and large a good enough CM for the PL, most can accept that, so he won't be off because Dyche rates him and he's first choice.

Stephens is possibly the most likely but we'd need to pay him off and that eats into our budget.

Westwood is staying and I suspect Cork will be too.

This win instills confidence in the team and we could well see an upturn now in form throughout the squad.

Don't be surprised if Brownhill is still first choice at the end of January, I already know you'll be disappointed :lol:
If Brownhill is still playing regularly for Burnley after January the whole recruitment team have catastrophicly failed.

We will soon see I guess.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:47 pm
If Brownhill is still playing regularly for Burnley after January the whole recruitment team have catastrophicly failed.

We will soon see I guess.
You've already decided its failed by having him here in the first place :roll:

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:53 pm
You've already decided its failed by having him here in the first place :roll:
It clearly has. He does not get in to any other team in the premier league including Norwich

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 pm
It clearly has. He does not get in to any other team in the premier league including Norwich
There are opinions, and then there is pure and unadulterated garbage. If you still attended matches you'd have seen just how terrible Norwich's midfield is. To suggest Brownhill wouldn't get into that is laughable.

I'm sorry you've got such an agenda against this player. I'm even more sorry that you post about it at every opportunity for us to read about.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by TsarBomba » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:37 pm
Take a day off.
I wish he’d take the year off.

Good win, and solid performances all round, but some are never happy.

These are halcyon days.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 am

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:59 pm
There are opinions, and then there is pure and unadulterated garbage. If you still attended matches you'd have seen just how terrible Norwich's midfield is. To suggest Brownhill wouldn't get into that is laughable.

I'm sorry you've got such an agenda against this player. I'm even more sorry that you post about it at every opportunity for us to read about.
KSR I have attended 6 games this season now. It is a thread talking about our Cm options? If you don’t want to read it don’t open the thread.

Westwood in spells is still a good player.

Cork was fantastic.

After over 50 premier leagues I have yet to see anything to suggest Brownhill is above a mid table championship player.
Good grafter and the by looks of it a really top lad but unfortunately that doesn’t make him a good player.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:04 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 am
I wish he’d take the year off.

Good win, and solid performances all round, but some are never happy.

These are halcyon days.
I have been buzzing about the result on other threads. Again this is one about our CM options, don’t like it don’t read it

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:06 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:04 am
I have been buzzing about the result on other threads. Again this is one about our CM options, don’t like it don’t read it
But why do you need to repeat yourself every day? We get it.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:08 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 am
KSR I have attended 6 games this season now. It is a thread talking about our Cm options? If you don’t want to read it don’t open the thread.

Westwood in spells is still a good player.

Cork was fantastic.

After over 50 premier leagues I have yet to see anything to suggest Brownhill is above a mid table championship player.
Good grafter and the by looks of it a really top lad but unfortunately that doesn’t make him a good player.
I expected to see discussion around Jack Cork, surprisingly enough. Fair enough that could branch out to our midfield options, but I open the thread to see you're using it as yet another vehicle to be insulting about Brownhill. I'm sick to back teeth of reading about your agenda against him, to be honest with you.

I've never even contemplated using this foe button before but your incessant whinging about him is testing my patience. I think we all know how you feel about him now, so why not give it a rest.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:09 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 am
After over 50 premier leagues I have yet to see anything to suggest Brownhill is above a mid table championship player.
Playing over 50 premier league games suggests otherwise.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by superdimitri » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:15 am

Brownhill lacks technique and vision on the ball, but his work rate and ability to see moves off the ball ahead of time is stellar. Paired with a player with better technique, and better skills on the ball would make the perfect partnership. Think Dean Marney/David Jones.

Brownhill is perfect for us, an imperfect player with limitations, but fits in to the system well. Dyche see's what he can do, the effort that he puts in and I for one am glad he's starting games ahead of Cork.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:21 am

I'd be tempted to keep Cork as a squad player. Stephens will be released this summer so I'd rather we tried to sign 1 really good CM, rather than replaced Cork and Stephens with another two steady Eddie types.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by bobinho » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:00 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:47 pm
If Brownhill is still playing regularly for Burnley after January the whole recruitment team have catastrophicly failed.

We will soon see I guess.
Only in your eyes really. Brownhill is part of the team, and integral to the way SD wants to play. Imho, he won’t be going anywhere in January, or anytime soon.

We only have to look at Man Yoo to see how the inclusion of a “PL quality” midfielder can upset the team. Pogba may well be a decent player, but he doesn’t fit and Utd are worse for his inclusion.

Really good managers work out what pieces are missing from the jigsaw and it is obvious that is how we build our teams. Staggering that some don’t get it and think the answer is just to splash the cash. Yep, we need to strengthen in the middle, but I see josh as the spoiler and a new creative midfielder alongside him.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:12 pm

Our midfield is struggling at the moment, but I’ll say it again, we are stronger for having Jack Cork in the side. He kept the ball really well today and helped us to keep possession against a very strong midfield opposition.Jack came back into the side at Wolves and played again today. We’ve picked up two cleansheets in the process.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:18 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:12 pm
Our midfield is struggling at the moment, but I’ll say it again, we are stronger for having Jack Cork in the side. He kept the ball really well today and helped us to keep possession against a very strong midfield opposition.Jack came back into the side at Wolves and played again today. We’ve picked up two cleansheets in the process.
Couldn’t agree more. I think we looked really compact today. When we did have possession we slowed the game down and gave the defence a chance. There’s no coincidence that we concede less when he starts

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:18 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:12 pm
Our midfield is struggling at the moment, but I’ll say it again, we are stronger for having Jack Cork in the side. He kept the ball really well today and helped us to keep possession against a very strong midfield opposition.Jack came back into the side at Wolves and played again today. We’ve picked up two cleansheets in the process.
Couldn’t agree more. I think we looked really compact today. When we did have possession we slowed the game down and gave the defence a chance. There’s no coincidence that we concede less when he starts

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by superdimitri » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:19 pm

I'm not sure our midfield is any more of a problem than our strikers. Everyone played well today apart from Gudmundsson. Our strikers on the other hand have been very poor, can't finish and can't bring others into play.

At least when Vydra came on he won a couple of free kicks, but again he has to score.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:26 pm

Proved today he still has a role to play as a squad player

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:27 pm

A good point gained, primarily, by our defence today but Jack Cork had a good game and was the pick of our midfield.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:30 pm

Bit of composure, once or twice, when we needed it, today.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by superdimitri » Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:33 pm

Didn't think he was the pick of our midfield today. Thought both Westwood and Brownhill did better. He is able to calm the tempo down though which is useful for us.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Papabendi » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:16 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:12 pm
Our midfield is struggling at the moment, but I’ll say it again, we are stronger for having Jack Cork in the side. He kept the ball really well today and helped us to keep possession against a very strong midfield opposition.Jack came back into the side at Wolves and played again today. We’ve picked up two cleansheets in the process.
keep saying it. It will still be wrong.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by KRBFC » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:18 pm

pick of our midfield today? what midfield?

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:20 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:16 pm
keep saying it. It will still be wrong.

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:25 pm

Thought our midfield did a super job today. Rice is one on the most sought after players in the world playing in a team full of confidence and neither side looked like they would score, and we really could and perhaps should have nicked it. I really hope Wood finds some form soon.
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Re: Jack Cork

Post by oswyclaret » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:25 pm

'Been finished for a long time'....trouble is we do not/have not bought,anybody better imho!!!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:38 pm

He was good today

Mind you, Rice was superb

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Jamesy » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:47 pm

Couldn’t fault Jack today. Got to agree with you though, Rice did look a hell of a player. Head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:00 pm

Cork was the best of our so-called midfield today, at least he made a few passes to teammates, which is something Westwood, Brownhill and JBG failed to do. I rate our midfield as being poor championship at best. If we go down that is where I lay the blame as well garbage recruitment in the last couple of years.

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:05 pm

Cork was excellent today (by our standards!) He's ageing and has had his share of injuries, so tbf he did really well. Having said that there's not much to beat in our midfield atm and Rice wasn't bothered who we put up against him, he knew he had the measure of us!

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Re: Jack Cork

Post by elwaclaret » Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:17 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:08 am
I expected to see discussion around Jack Cork, surprisingly enough. Fair enough that could branch out to our midfield options, but I open the thread to see you're using it as yet another vehicle to be insulting about Brownhill. I'm sick to back teeth of reading about your agenda against him, to be honest with you.

I've never even contemplated using this foe button before but your incessant whinging about him is testing my patience. I think we all know how you feel about him now, so why not give it a rest.
Stronger wording than I’d have used but it is hard to disagree. We all have our favourites but some people could do with professional help in their obsessive dislike of our players. They are all millionaires, because none of them are ****.

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