Tonights Game

[buzzclarets79]

Why all the negativity, we’ve lost by a narrow margin to one of the founders of the European super league, and they didn’t look that great!

A bit of gallows humour

Don't think its the fact we lost, its the manner of the performance. Another dull display at home.

[Taffy on the wing]

That must have been a difficult choice considering the vast majority who thought that performance was woeful

Not really!......Whilst he had some stiff competition, his whine reached a higher pitch than his competitors...& he's not done yet, he's already predicting total destruction at the hands of Brentford.

[Bigvince]

Don't think its the fact we lost, its the manner of the performance. Another dull display at home.

Yes I agree, we need to find our Mojo! And fast!

[Taffy on the wing]

You spent ALL summer moaning about England in the Euros (who didn't lose a game, apart from 1 pen shootout), now you're Mr Positive about a side who can't win for toffee?

Nonsense!....& you know it.
Southgate is just a crap manager with loads of talented players at his disposal, Dyche is the opposite....hope this clears it up for you.

[Elizabeth]

Not really!......Whilst he had some stiff competition, his whine reached a higher pitch than his competitors...& he's not done yet, he's already predicting total destruction at the hands of Brentford.

He might be right. Taffy we’re being served up rubbish and have to watch the likes of Barnes and Lennon trying to get us an equaliser . It can’t get any lower

[KRBFC]

Nonsense!....& you know it.
Southgate is just a crap manager with loads of talented players at his disposal, Dyche is the opposite....hope this clears it up for you.

You were whining while England were in the final of the Euros, now you're all happy mr positive at Burnley's awful football and lack of goals (nevermind wins), I see right through your bs

[Andreshotboots]

Think we all agree we are one central midfielder, and two strikers away from being a very decent side. They obviously don’t come cheap though, and the position we’re likely to be in come January, we will hardly be an attractive proposition.

Having said that, those boys really need us more than ever on Saturday to give everything we’ve got from the stands. Energy needs to come from us, as well as on the pitch.. UTC

[Vegas Claret]

Pieters frustrating all night, Cork pretty lack lustre and Barnes looked like he'd given up the second he missed his first pass.

I really think we could have given tonight a proper go and give us the catalyst that got us to the play off finals back in '09!

Great saves by Pope - but totally thawrted an opportunity for us at the end of the game. Although Collins, Robert's and Cornet are bright eyed and bushy tailed, I just think half our squad has lost that little twinkle in their eyes that keeps them going. Really hope we get a run together soon! Dyche is good, but he's no miracle worker if nothing comes before christmas!

it's the midfield that is killing us, the rest is ok

[bfcjg]

I am struggling to find many positives, are the players fed up of the tactics, is there some sort of schism in the changing room, something is seriously wrong. The midfield is dire, why not try Robert's wide right, is Sean so obsessed with tried and trusted that it will cost us.

[Darthlaw]

it's the midfield that is killing us, the rest is ok

Got to say the front line is pretty dire. I can put Wood down to having another off patch but the other three have been off the pace for almost 18 months now,

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Imagine travelling a distance to watch that, not worth £1. I noticed Woan looking around at all the empty seats in the stand at the start of the second half. There will be many more empty seats with performances like that, from proudsville to dullsville.

We need a monumental shake up of everything and soon.

[Goody1975]

it's the midfield that is killing us, the rest is ok

The midfield is a big issue but the forward line is just as culpable this season.

Cornet is playing up front at the moment but three of our strikers don't score goals and the other is on a major barren run, this on top of his general all round play also taking a nose dive.

[joey13]

Nonsense!....& you know it.
Southgate is just a crap manager with loads of talented players at his disposal, Dyche is the opposite....hope this clears it up for you.

So you saying Dyche is a talented manager with crap players at his disposal, that’s not very positive is it .

[Vegas Claret]

The midfield is a big issue but the forward line is just as culpable this season.

Cornet is playing up front at the moment but three of our strikers don't score goals and the other is on a major barren run, this on top of his general all round play also taking a nose dive.

difficult to score when you aren't given much to convert, plus we don't have anybody that was as fast as you were to get on the end of the aimless punts

[Vegas Claret]

Got to say the front line is pretty dire. I can put Wood down to having another off patch but the other three have been off the pace for almost 18 months now,

I was trying to be positive

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nearly all of our problems stem from midfield.

We can’t retain possession for any length of time which results in our defensive frame having to deal with more pressure. This inevitably leads to conceding a goal, then we have got nothing left in the tank to come back.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Nearly all of our problems stem from midfield.

We can’t retain possession for any length of time which results in our defensive frame having to deal with more pressure. This inevitably leads to conceding a goal, then we have got nothing left in the tank to come back.

And our forwards being incapable of holding the ball up.

[diamondpocket]

the only positive tonight looking ahead to the future is that Roberts has got a massive throw on him! That's how bad it was tonight, thinking about the future & the joy of seeing a long throw around the edge of the box, can't wait!!

[Newcastleclaret93]

And our forwards being incapable of holding the ball up.

It’s all related to our weakness in the middle of the park, we can’t pass out from the back so our forwards are having to receive rockets from our CB/GK. it makes the job of holding the ball up ten times harder.

[Colburn_Claret]

If nothing else these performances should help make minds up as to whose contract needs to be extended, and where we can save a wage. Also gives us time to start finding replacements in January. At least Vydra and Rodriguez had a chance tonight but looks like both were poor

Neither benefitted from playing alongside each other, so difficult to call really.
Vyds should be starting alongside Wood, they are our biggest threat as a pair, and Vyds would thrive on the ball Cornet can produce.
But I have no faith they will start on Saturday.

[NewClaret]

Nearly all of our problems stem from midfield.

We can’t retain possession for any length of time which results in our defensive frame having to deal with more pressure. This inevitably leads to conceding a goal, then we have got nothing left in the tank to come back.

Completely agree.

May only be a 1-0 defeat but as someone posted above it’s the performance - truly dire. Embarrassed myself in quiet stands today ranting at the lack of effort by Barnes and the hapless, lazy Wood. Former needs dropping from the Match day squad and the latter to the bench.

Will give Brownhill a break for the effort but Cork poor again, JBG anonymous and I thought Dwight had another bad game. Didn’t beat a man, put in a cross, get a shot away. Nothing. If that’s one of our “best” players, god help us. Midfield was an embarrassment & frankly don’t deserve their wages this week.

Credit to Roberts on his debut and Collins had another great game. Undroppable in my opinion and since our midfield/attack are playing so poorly, today I’ve joined the “5 at the back” camp since I think you have to play your best players.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Completely agree.

May only be a 1-0 defeat but as someone posted above it’s the performance - truly dire. Embarrassed myself in quiet stands today ranting at the lack of effort by Barnes and the hapless, lazy Wood. Former needs dropping from the Match day squad and the latter to the bench.

Will give Brownhill a break for the effort but Cork poor again, JBG anonymous and I thought Dwight had another bad game. Didn’t beat a man, put in a cross, get a shot away. Nothing. If that’s one of our “best” players, god help us. Midfield was an embarrassment & frankly don’t deserve their wages this week.

Credit to Roberts on his debut and Collins had another great game. Undroppable in my opinion and since our midfield/attack are playing so poorly, today I’ve joined the “5 at the back” camp since I think you have to play your best players.

I really don’t see what benefit playing 5 at the back would bring. Our midfield would just get further over run.

I think we have to commit to a rigid 451 formation with possibly just Vydra up top to try chase some balls in to the channels.

Hold on for a few draws and hope we can scrape a win or two.

[NewClaret]

I really don’t see what benefit playing 5 at the back would bring. Our midfield would just get further over run.

I think we have to commit to a rigid 451 formation with possibly just Vydra up top to try chase some balls in to the channels.

Hold on for a few draws and hope we can scrape a win or two.

It’s hard work picking 5 from the current crop to play in midfield!

[boatshed bill]

The club? The chairman.

The playing team? The manager.

Not many managers identify and buy the players these days. I understood it was Rigg and Garlick who made our signings. Obviously they would have consulted the manager and he had the final say but if Rigg only identify what we ended up signing it’s not Dyche’s fault is it?

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the manager has no say in who we sign?
And are you also suggesting that a manager (of any football club) doesn't identify, and even shortlist, players who he'd like to sign?

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s hard work picking 5 from the current crop to play in midfield!

I honestly think Stephens comes straight into the starting eleven when fit. In a midfield three he might add some well needed bite we have been lacking.

[NewClaret]

I honestly think Stephens comes straight into the starting eleven when fit. In a midfield three he might add some well needed bite we have been lacking.

DA, is that you?

[KlyBfc]

Nearly all of our problems stem from midfield.

We can’t retain possession for any length of time which results in our defensive frame having to deal with more pressure. This inevitably leads to conceding a goal, then we have got nothing left in the tank to come back.

Whilst I don’t disagree with this, for me it’s beyond a personnel issue. The formation, framework and complete lack of bravery among our players causes the issues. Lack of dropping between the lines into intelligent pockets, lack of will/bravery to forward drives with it, lack of willingness to create space / beat a man with quick feet or try an incisive pass, the movement off the ball is / straight and lacking across the whole team / pitch. Too many times tonight a defender moved forward into space tonight with the ball and the players ahead all just ran in straight lines away from them looking for straight ball over the top.

Cornet and McNeil do attempt to break the trend but all In all it’s just FLAT and players look SAFE at best.

The last ten minutes at least saw some bravery and with that some confusion and desperation amongst the Spurs players. But it took 80mins for that to occur (and in a cup game).

[Newcastleclaret93]

DA, is that you?

I have no idea who DA is haha.

But genuinely he looked alright in a midfield three at Brighton and at this moment in time we have to try something different

[boatshed bill]

I have no idea who DA is haha.

But genuinely he looked alright in a midfield three at Brighton and at this moment in time we have to try something different

That was over 2 years ago, though.

[NewClaret]

I have no idea who DA is haha.

But genuinely he looked alright in a midfield three at Brighton and at this moment in time we have to try something different

If he’s the answer, I don’t even want to know the question.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If he’s the answer, I don’t even want to know the question.

To be fair to the guy he wasn’t fit when he played last season in them very few games. Let’s give him a chance. I’m hanging on to threads of hope he plays as well as he did a few years ago for Brighton.

[Rileybobs]

Whilst I don’t disagree with this, for me it’s beyond a personnel issue. The formation, framework and complete lack of bravery among our players causes the issues. Lack of dropping between the lines into intelligent pockets, lack of will/bravery to forward drives with it, lack of willingness to create space / beat a man with quick feet or try an incisive pass, the movement off the ball is / straight and lacking across the whole team / pitch. Too many times tonight a defender moved forward into space tonight with the ball and the players ahead all just ran in straight lines away from them looking for straight ball over the top.

Cornet and McNeil do attempt to break the trend but all In all it’s just FLAT and players look SAFE at best.

The last ten minutes at least saw some bravery and with that some confusion and desperation amongst the Spurs players. But it took 80mins for that to occur (and in a cup game).

Lack of bravery was my summary too. We know we don't have the most talented bunch of players but what is inexcusable is the lack of bravery and character that the majority of the squad is showing at the minute. Cornet probably has more talent than our other players, but more importantly what he clearly also has is the desire to affect a game, I don't see that from anyone else. When was the last time someone other than Cornet took a game by the scruff of the neck?

How many times do we counter attack and then end up playing the ball backwards? When does anyone other than Cornet make a run in behind the defence? When does anyone bust a gut to get on the end of a cross, or a second ball dropping at the edge of the area? It's pedestrian, and I suggest it's more down to attitude (that of the players and the manager) than personnel.

[bf2k]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the manager has no say in who we sign?
And are you also suggesting that a manager (of any football club) doesn't identify, and even shortlist, players who he'd like to sign?

No I didn’t say that. I said the manager has the final say but identifying targets was Riggs job. It’s not uncommon. McFarland (think that’s how you dork his name) was famous for doing that at Brentford (and here briefly).

[Taffy on the wing]

So you saying Dyche is a talented manager with crap players at his disposal, that’s not very positive is it .

You're taking it out of context, of course.
Picking a team to win games against premier league opposition is no easy task with our current squad......surely even a whiner like yourself can see that.

[Vegas Claret]

You're taking it out of context, of course.
Picking a team to win games against premier league opposition is no easy task with our current squad......surely even a whiner like yourself can see that.

I think anyone would struggle with our midfield options on current form

[gandhisflipflop]

I’m sick to the back teeth of the free ride Chris Wood gets from our support. He goes anonymous for a large period of games, then has a bit of a purple patch where everyone tells us how great he is for a few then anonymous again.

All they say is ‘his goals keep us up’. If we actually had 4 forwards that made better overall contributions the goals would be more evenly spread out around the team. At this level, at sides like ours we simply cannot afford to hope wood hits a purple patch, while contributing next to nothing else. We need players how link up better, run the channels, hold balls up, bring the midfield and wingers into play. If we had that, the whole team would benefit. All 4 of them are not good enough for us at this level. And they need replacing, and quick.

[MACCA]

the only positive tonight looking ahead to the future is that Roberts has got a massive throw on him! That's how bad it was tonight, thinking about the future & the joy of seeing a long throw around the edge of the box, can't wait!!

That could be a really useful weapon in the championship at the small tight grounds like at Luton, QPR and Peterborough.

[Taffy on the wing]

I think anyone would struggle with our midfield options on current form

True........that's why all this blaming is of no help.

[Vegas Claret]

True........that's why all this blaming is of no help.

it's people voicing concern on a football message board, it's not supposed to be helpful or otherwise - it's a place to debate.

[Taffy on the wing]

it's people voicing concern on a football message board, it's not supposed to be helpful or otherwise - it's a place to debate.

Try the match day thread sometime........it's all pathetic, whining babies! UNBEARABLE.

[ClaretAL]

Try the match day thread sometime........it's all pathetic, whining babies! UNBEARABLE.

This was the match day thread thread Taffy? you need to calm down mate as you seem to be on a 1 man mission to have a pop at everyone at the moment mate. Its all about opinions .

[diamondpocket]

People coming on here to specifically to complain/whine about people who come on matchday threads to comment & whine about the match is pretty comical!! Who's worse?

[Taffy on the wing]

This was the match day thread thread Taffy? you need to calm down mate as you seem to be on a 1 man mission to have a pop at everyone at the moment mate. Its all about opinions .

I was specifically responding to Vegas Claret.......but thanks for the input.

[Richardsbfc]

I’m sick to the back teeth of the free ride Chris Wood gets from our support. He goes anonymous for a large period of games, then has a bit of a purple patch where everyone tells us how great he is for a few then anonymous again.

All they say is ‘his goals keep us up’. If we actually had 4 forwards that made better overall contributions the goals would be more evenly spread out around the team. At this level, at sides like ours we simply cannot afford to hope wood hits a purple patch, while contributing next to nothing else. We need players how link up better, run the channels, hold balls up, bring the midfield and wingers into play. If we had that, the whole team would benefit. All 4 of them are not good enough for us at this level. And they need replacing, and quick.

100000%

[Vegas Claret]

Try the match day thread sometime........it's all pathetic, whining babies! UNBEARABLE.

without wanting to start an argument - if it's unbearable then why do you read it ? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, we don't need to agree on any of it............I don't even agree with myself most days

[Spijed]

I’m sick to the back teeth of the free ride Chris Wood gets from our support. He goes anonymous for a large period of games, then has a bit of a purple patch where everyone tells us how great he is for a few then anonymous again.

All they say is ‘his goals keep us up’. If we actually had 4 forwards that made better overall contributions the goals would be more evenly spread out around the team. At this level, at sides like ours we simply cannot afford to hope wood hits a purple patch, while contributing next to nothing else. We need players how link up better, run the channels, hold balls up, bring the midfield and wingers into play. If we had that, the whole team would benefit. All 4 of them are not good enough for us at this level. And they need replacing, and quick.

We had the same argument last season as to whether Chris Wood was good enough.

He proved the idiots wrong didn't he?

[gandhisflipflop]

We had the same argument last season as to whether Chris Wood was good enough.

He proved the idiots wrong didn't he?

Did he? He had his usual ‘purple patch’, but the point remains that the goals need to be spread across the team, and the only way we do that is by having strikers contributing to more phases of play and bringing others into the game. At best he is a bench player.